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You are ignoring the money Mr. Campbell bestowed on them, the money Mr. Nahaboo is bestowing on them...Once again you conveniently mistake gifts of money as "good management".
Mr Nahaboo has been around for a few months. His role in the rise of Fev is minimal and has done next to nothing to get Fev where they are. Mr Campbell has amongst others put money in. But putting thousands in has not been guarentee that Fev would be succesful on and off the pitch. And Fev have not gone out and bought the best players neither. They have developed many of their first team through the academy teams they have run. Onc e again you think money buys success. Gifts of money help but if a club just wastes that money like just paying top notch for better players then its poor management. I dont know the exact details of Featherstones money, but I do know they have spent money on improving the stadium, spending money on increasing the profile of the club and spending money on youngsters who will one day play first grade. Fev have brought in a CEO who has helped push the club off the field as well as on it. Just because a club secures "gifts of money" doesnt mean it will make good use of it. Many clubs have wasted "Gifts of money". Your club Leeds Rhinos were guilty of such before SL trying to buy trophies and failed big time.
Nobody wanted to give Bramley or Hunslet the bundles of £20 notes you mistakenly call "good management"...I repeat myself so often on here because people don't want to accept the facts and many of the struggling Championship clubs have excellent businessmen behind them...The people behind the York's Hunslet's, Swinton's and Rochdale's are not lazy, are not "bad managers" and do work very hard.
Nobody wanted to give Featherstone bundles of money when they went bust. Nobody wanted to put bundles of money in Halifax after Nigel Wood and co made a right mess even though Fax were still a SL club at that time. Its only after a few years has often money people wanted to get involved with these clubs. And just because somebody is an excellent businessman doesnt mean they can be excellent in running a Sports club. Richard Branson is one of the worlds best but even he couldnt change the London Broncos into a well run club and one people wanted to follow. Thats not to say any directors are bad managers or lazy and I have never said that but as usual you like to put your own thoughts in for what people post.Running a Pro sports club is way different to running a normal business. The people who are on a board of directors at a club run or have other interests as well. So they may at times have little time for the club due to issues elsewhere. Its often why you will see a CEO run the day to day management of a Sports club and not a board of directors.
Just admit you are wrong here.
Why because you say so?

Kids don't want to know Hunslet with Leeds up the road. Across the piece they don't want to know small semi pro RL clubs that's why the Championship is getting known as an old mans league. What are Hunslet supposed to do in Schools? What is the club supposed to "Market" to people? The stuff about "spent too much money on players" is a nonsense.Was this the sparse budget we spent coming second to bottom in both divisions in recent years? If you don't spend money on players you don't get the results, if you don't get the results your crowds drop. How much less than next to nothing do you suggest we should have spent?

ALL kids dont want to know? What have Hunslet done in the past 15 years to get young people involved and follow them? What are Hunslet supposed to do in Schools? Well maybe what other clubs do and sell the club and games to youngsters and Parents. To say you are/was an alleged fan of Hunslet you dont seem to remeber that its only 10-15 years ago. In the mid to late 90s Hunslet were on the field one of the best outside the top division. No doubt that didnt come cheap. And no doubt money that was spent on getting quality players could have been spent on off field things for the future. Hunslet was harshly treated by being rejected for SL. But what did Hunslet do off the field prior to this? Seems little which in turn hurt the club in future times. Nobody has said Dual regs are wrong and nobody is criticizing Hunslet for playing Keinhorst, Chisholm, Hood. Its the fact that Hunslet have just decided to give up and be a Leeds dumping ground. Hunslet could still have the Dual Reg players but least try and stand up for itself instead of giving up like it seems to have done. If nobody wants to watch or be involved then let the club die. But for me theres still enough interest around there is a board. The championship 1 comp is not going to kill Oldham or Rochdale or South Wales or North Wales so why would it kill Hunslet?

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The top four independent clubs don't want DR to go so far as to affect their dominance in the Championship which in turn means that three of them dominate the crowds list.

As usual you are wrong. The top 4 and Barrow dont have a problem with the Dual Regs as it was originally intended. But the fact that certain clubs have decided to abuse the system as it was originally intended, making games and the championship a potential lottery, is what the clubs are unhappy about. The reaction of fans across the clubs, shows the concern and frustration is not just the thoughts of the big 4.The DR this season and the way certain clubs have done things has further split the game. The results have shown so far that the DR is not stopping th big 4 from winning and being at the top.

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Mr Nahaboo has been around for a few months. His role in the rise of Fev is minimal and has done next to nothing to get Fev where they are. Mr Campbell has amongst others put money in. But putting thousands in has not been guarentee that Fev would be succesful on and off the pitch. And Fev have not gone out and bought the best players neither. They have developed many of their first team through the academy teams they have run. Onc e again you think money buys success. Gifts of money help but if a club just wastes that money like just paying top notch for better players then its poor management. I dont know the exact details of Featherstones money, but I do know they have spent money on improving the stadium, spending money on increasing the profile of the club and spending money on youngsters who will one day play first grade. Fev have brought in a CEO who has helped push the club off the field as well as on it. Just because a club secures "gifts of money" doesnt mean it will make good use of it. Many clubs have wasted "Gifts of money". Your club Leeds Rhinos were guilty of such before SL trying to buy trophies and failed big time.

Nobody wanted to give Featherstone bundles of money when they went bust. Nobody wanted to put bundles of money in Halifax after Nigel Wood and co made a right mess even though Fax were still a SL club at that time. Its only after a few years has often money people wanted to get involved with these clubs. And just because somebody is an excellent businessman doesnt mean they can be excellent in running a Sports club. Richard Branson is one of the worlds best but even he couldnt change the London Broncos into a well run club and one people wanted to follow. Thats not to say any directors are bad managers or lazy and I have never said that but as usual you like to put your own thoughts in for what people post.Running a Pro sports club is way different to running a normal business. The people who are on a board of directors at a club run or have other interests as well. So they may at times have little time for the club due to issues elsewhere. Its often why you will see a CEO run the day to day management of a Sports club and not a board of directors.

Why because you say so?

Kids don't want to know Hunslet with Leeds up the road. Across the piece they don't want to know small semi pro RL clubs that's why the Championship is getting known as an old mans league. What are Hunslet supposed to do in Schools? What is the club supposed to "Market" to people? The stuff about "spent too much money on players" is a nonsense.Was this the sparse budget we spent coming second to bottom in both divisions in recent years? If you don't spend money on players you don't get the results, if you don't get the results your crowds drop. How much less than next to nothing do you suggest we should have spent?

ALL kids dont want to know? What have Hunslet done in the past 15 years to get young people involved and follow them? What are Hunslet supposed to do in Schools? Well maybe what other clubs do and sell the club and games to youngsters and Parents. To say you are/was an alleged fan of Hunslet you dont seem to remeber that its only 10-15 years ago. In the mid to late 90s Hunslet were on the field one of the best outside the top division. No doubt that didnt come cheap. And no doubt money that was spent on getting quality players could have been spent on off field things for the future. Hunslet was harshly treated by being rejected for SL. But what did Hunslet do off the field prior to this? Seems little which in turn hurt the club in future times. Nobody has said Dual regs are wrong and nobody is criticizing Hunslet for playing Keinhorst, Chisholm, Hood. Its the fact that Hunslet have just decided to give up and be a Leeds dumping ground. Hunslet could still have the Dual Reg players but least try and stand up for itself instead of giving up like it seems to have done. If nobody wants to watch or be involved then let the club die. But for me theres still enough interest around there is a board. The championship 1 comp is not going to kill Oldham or Rochdale or South Wales or North Wales so why would it kill Hunslet?

Nahaboo and Probiz been involved with Featherstone Rovers since 2011, including increasing financial input. Wha has changed this year is his status at the club.

Hunslet have worked extremely hard with very few resources to involve the local community and schools; I have seen this at first hand. The stadium and its facilitirs are not owned by the club, this imposes limitations.

When Craig Poskitt was appointed Rovers ere already increasing their business profile under previous CEO's and with paul taylor their current commrcial manager. CEO's previous to Mr Poskitt have had different roles, all very valuable. Stuart Sheard worked on restruturing the club s an organisation, Simon Riley wqas excellent at gathering public funding. Poskitt is raking what has already been achieved to the next level.

It is the job of a CEO to carry out the policies of thr directors in a business. Thaat is te whole point of a CEO.

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Nahaboo and Probiz been involved with Featherstone Rovers since 2011, including increasing financial input. Wha has changed this year is his status at the club.

Hunslet have worked extremely hard with very few resources to involve the local community and schools; I have seen this at first hand. The stadium and its facilitirs are not owned by the club, this imposes limitations.

When Craig Poskitt was appointed Rovers ere already increasing their business profile under previous CEO's and with paul taylor their current commrcial manager. CEO's previous to Mr Poskitt have had different roles, all very valuable. Stuart Sheard worked on restruturing the club s an organisation, Simon Riley wqas excellent at gathering public funding. Poskitt is raking what has already been achieved to the next level.

It is the job of a CEO to carry out the policies of thr directors in a business. Thaat is te whole point of a CEO.

What I meant was Chris is that Nahaboo is a fairly recent addition and certainly was not involved in helping Fev come back from the dead and push on to become where they are in the past couple of years. As I said hard work and money doesnt meen you will be rewarded. Sadly for Hunslet they never put things in place really off field when they was enjoying the better times. Now thats come to haunt them for me. It must be hard for people to put much hard work in and seemingly get nowhere which it must feel like at times. But I personally feel that Hunslet just seem to have given up and seem happy to be a Leeds dumping ground and I personally couldnt support a club that had done that.

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What I meant was Chris is that Nahaboo is a fairly recent addition and certainly was not involved in helping Fev come back from the dead and push on to become where they are in the past couple of years. As I said hard work and money doesnt meen you will be rewarded. Sadly for Hunslet they never put things in place really off field when they was enjoying the better times. Now thats come to haunt them for me. It must be hard for people to put much hard work in and seemingly get nowhere which it must feel like at times. But I personally feel that Hunslet just seem to have given up and seem happy to be a Leeds dumping ground and I personally couldnt support a club that had done that.

when Hunslet were enjoying a short spell of better times was in the late nineties. They depended upon one person for their financial backing-Graham Liles, who's pocket weren't limitless and who' health wasn't great.

Hunslet's problems go back well over 40 years.

I don't think people like Ian Johnson-a friend of mine, and the people running the club are happy with anything that they hav to face up to a the moment. They are good people,w ith as lot of energy and ability, but no big financial backer.

Some of the things said about clubs like Hunslet by people who's clubs don't have to face the kind of challenges they have to face have made me very angry. I'm not necessarily saying thsat this applies to you by any means.

Good win for the Hawks today good on 'em

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Sadly for Hunslet they never put things in place really off field when they was enjoying the better times. Now thats come to haunt them for me. It must be hard for people to put much hard work in and seemingly get nowhere which it must feel like at times. But I personally feel that Hunslet just seem to have given up and seem happy to be a Leeds dumping ground and I personally couldnt support a club that had done that.

There were no better times. They were always getting nowhere.

Progressively people gave up on the club whether fans sponsors or Leeds Council.

40 years of hard work and slog to get nowhere Lizzy. 40 years of having their best players and fans attracted away from them

Eventually the numbers willing to help with time or money give up. Jerry Mason died, Graham Liles's health gave up. Their money masked the clubs weak position. We ran out of benefactors and people with no personal money are trying to salvage something

Yet you re-interpret this as bad management and laziness???

You can't reasonably and logically just assume that people SHOULD come forward and help for nothing, and when they do you cannot expect them to go beyond their own personal limits money and time wise.

Would you dare go down South Leeds Stadium an say what your saying to Blackpool Hawk and his colleagues face to face?

You still want to assume kids would be persuaded to play and watch the club. What would you have said to a 14 year old Paul McShane who went to a school that looks over Hunslets SLS home. "Paul why not get a Hunslet season ticket and come along and play for our juniors" Like the rest of the kids they are mostly not Hunslet people, and they aspire to Superleague. It's just up the road.

London Skolars or Gateshead are in a different situation.

Think again Lizzy, At least take on board what L'Angelo says......

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1. The top 4 and Barrow dont have a problem with the Dual Regs as it was originally intended.

2. But the fact that certain clubs have decided to abuse the system as it was originally intended, making games and the championship a potential lottery, is what the clubs are unhappy about.

3. The reaction of fans across the clubs, shows the concern and frustration

1. You don't know the intention. For some it's just a bit of DR to help for others it's the start of a process to create "A" teams.

2. You don't know the "Intention" the abuse of the system for one club is the use of the system to survive by another.

3. 9 clubs are happy only 5 are unhappy. Outvoted. as for fan reaction the loud voices of a minority are at it again. What "The fans" reaction will be will be seen in the attendances as the season progresses.

You may not like DR as it's going, nor may I, but clubs are allowed to do what they want to do. IMHO you can fight against it, but those that do shouldn't IMHO pretend they are fighting on a moral high ground.

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You may not like DR as it's going, nor may I, but clubs are allowed to do what they want to do. IMHO you can fight against it, but those that do shouldn't IMHO pretend they are fighting on a moral high ground.

What is your opinion on the reason why the 5 clubs are "fighting" against the current dual reg system?

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What is your opinion on the reason why the 5 clubs are "fighting" against the current dual reg system?

From what I listen to them saying, and from what I read they seem to say the reason is it ruins the integrity of the Championship which is a pride thing?? It skews the salary cap idea in that clubs get players for "cheap" rates and get away with a bit of leeway?? It reduces the attractiveness of fixtures and clubs risk lower attendances playing "A" teams, and none have said it outright, but they don't want this to go so far that it could lead them to losing games to essentially Superleague players. Also it could ruin the play offs etc etc.

All these fears have a counter argument, ATEOTD it's important that the clubs who want to get to Superleague are not compromised from this situation, it's also important that the clubs who want to survive are allowed to do so.

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What is your opinion on the reason why the 5 clubs are "fighting" against the current dual reg system?

Just got Barry Eaton's latest opinion as Mr. Sadler's paper has just dropped through my letterbox.

He is adamant that what he's NOT doing is just toadying to Leeds and going lazily along with DR. He is "working with Leeds to produce a joint player development pathway for the benefit of both clubs".

He thinks this benefits the championship because:-

a. It raises the profile of the Championship having big names play in it.

b. It makes the Championship a much more competitive league.

These are good arguments if one takes off any self interest hat one is wearing.

Eaton recalls the financial struggles of Leigh, Halifax (begging buckets) and Featherstone before Mark Campbell came along and he indicates that it's OK for clubs who have money men putting thousands in, but they really should not be dictating (especially on some pseudo moral basis) to clubs who just don't have that help.

He goes as far as to say it's "Hypocritical".

The question is if Leigh had dropped to CC1 (they nearly did) or Fev had not got out of CC1 would they be as high and mighty as they are being now??

The competetive quotes are interesting. Last year he recounts Fev beat Hunslet 60-0, this year Hunslet made a game of it. He shows no great interest in knocking the top four off their perches, and the club has no interest in SL. Hunslet will not be standing in the way of Featherstone's SL application.

Often CC fans criticise SL for being a 4 club league. It's OK to have that for the Championship though as long as one's club is one of the four. So it does again smack of Hypocracy.

Is there any difference between getting a businessman to lend you a few hundred thousand quid and getting your local SL club to lend you a few good players.

I'd say IMHO not?

What do you say good sir??

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Just got Barry Eaton's latest opinion as Mr. Sadler's paper has just dropped through my letterbox.

He is adamant that what he's NOT doing is just toadying to Leeds and going lazily along with DR. He is "working with Leeds to produce a joint player development pathway for the benefit of both clubs".

He thinks this benefits the championship because:-

a. It raises the profile of the Championship having big names play in it.

b. It makes the Championship a much more competitive league.

These are good arguments if one takes off any self interest hat one is wearing.

Eaton recalls the financial struggles of Leigh, Halifax (begging buckets) and Featherstone before Mark Campbell came along and he indicates that it's OK for clubs who have money men putting thousands in, but they really should not be dictating (especially on some pseudo moral basis) to clubs who just don't have that help.

He goes as far as to say it's "Hypocritical".

The question is if Leigh had dropped to CC1 (they nearly did) or Fev had not got out of CC1 would they be as high and mighty as they are being now??

The competetive quotes are interesting. Last year he recounts Fev beat Hunslet 60-0, this year Hunslet made a game of it. He shows no great interest in knocking the top four off their perches, and the club has no interest in SL. Hunslet will not be standing in the way of Featherstone's SL application.

Often CC fans criticise SL for being a 4 club league. It's OK to have that for the Championship though as long as one's club is one of the four. So it does again smack of Hypocracy.

Is there any difference between getting a businessman to lend you a few hundred thousand quid and getting your local SL club to lend you a few good players.

I'd say IMHO not?

What do you say good sir??

He makes some interesting points. But for me it is ruining the integrity of the competition. I am not interested in watching a league in which SL players may play to get fit. If I wanted to watch SL players from a team I don't support playing, I would watch a SL game. Apart from Fev it would appears attendances are dropping this year. If this is a result of the increased DR I don't know. But it may be.

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Some interesting points made by all here, too many for me to respond to, but makes for a healthy debate.

All i will say is that i had the pleasure of watching 17 players in Myrtle, Flame & White play some tremendous rugby league yesterday and win with ease against a decent Doncaster team. A win that has seen us equal our total number of wins in 2012 and a win that has given us our highest league position for many a year. Shortsightedness at its best! ;)

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we used 4 DR salford players on sunday....and to say it was a unmitigated disaster is a understatement...

players that have trained with the team all winter,won 2 pre season games where dropped for 4 salford lads who turned up a couple of days before the game.....and unsurprisingly we got stuffed....

theres not a single fan on the oldham board thats happy about it...

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I had the pleasure of watching 17 players in Myrtle, Flame & White play some tremendous rugby league yesterday and win with ease against a decent Doncaster team.

That's fair enough. If you enjoyed yourself that's what it's all about.

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I am not interested in watching a league in which SL players may play to get fit.

That's fair enough if you aren't interested.

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Theres not a single fan on the oldham board thats happy about it.

That's fair enough, but you don't say if they are unhappy full stop.

Or some/all of them would have been happy if they had had "The pleasure of watching 17 players" in Red and white hoops "play some tremendous rugby league yesterday and win with ease"

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But for me it is ruining the integrity of the competition.

Fair enough, I'll retain the view the integrity of RL competitions have been ruined for many years by rich men trying to outspend each other and by mercenary players travelling across the world to get at that money.

Oddly enough as Barry Eaton says and Blackpool Hawk will agree, the Hunslet-Leeds set up is about developing young players for the game, many of them from Leeds and who will stock two Leeds clubs.

I don't see any lack of integrity there, Caddick, Williams, Hetherington, Eaton, McDermott and Blackpool Hawk aren't throwing personal money about or dumping good Leeds lads for foreigners.

In fact IMHO there's shedloads of integrity in the arrangement.....

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That's fair enough. If you enjoyed yourself that's what it's all about.

Indeed, I, like all other Hunslet supporters have had to watch 13 years of rubbish (except the 2010 title winning side) to be honest so i'm going to enjoy every win we have regardless of who's in the team, who isn't, integrity of the competition etc etc I pay my admission every Sunday to be entertained, that's all i want, Sunday i was entertained, long may it continue.

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Some interesting points made by all here, too many for me to respond to, but makes for a healthy debate.

All i will say is that i had the pleasure of watching 17 players in Myrtle, Flame & White play some tremendous rugby league yesterday and win with ease against a decent Doncaster team. A win that has seen us equal our total number of wins in 2012 and a win that has given us our highest league position for many a year. Shortsightedness at its best! ;)

All that shows is that Wakefield reserves are worse than Leeds reserves. if that's the limit of the club;'s ambition, so be it, but it's depressing.

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All that shows is that Wakefield reserves are worse than Leeds reserves. if that's the limit of the club;'s ambition, so be it, but it's depressing.

That's a nonsense and you aren't listening.

The tie up is a full joint development system.

It means that the City is aiming to improve an excellent junior development system and furnish both it's clubs with players from Leeds for the future of the two Leeds clubs.

Over the years loads of Hunslet lads have crossed the river, now they'll be crossing it both ways and the old dead rivalry can be replaced by something else positive.

All for the good of the clubs AND the game.

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All that shows is that Wakefield reserves are worse than Leeds reserves. if that's the limit of the club;'s ambition, so be it, but it's depressing.

Or maybe our 13 contracted players who played Sunday were better than the 14 Donny contracted players on the day?

I also see one of our contracted players won Championship Player of week ;)

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Indeed, I, like all other Hunslet supporters have had to watch 13 years of rubbish to be honest so i'm going to enjoy every win we have regardless of who's in the team, who isn't, integrity of the competition etc etc I pay my admission every Sunday to be entertained, that's all i want, Sunday i was entertained, long may it continue.

Well said and I suggest there's loads of integrity in what the clubs are doing.

The lowest ebb for me was a few seasons back when Skolars came up on a Monday night and stuck 50 odd up us before a few hundred when our matchday photographer got sent off? Then later didn't Workington put 50 past us before 300?

The gang of four and their fans are insisting we go back to that for the sake of "integrity"

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That's a nonsense and you aren't listening.

The tie up is a full joint development system.

It means that the City is aiming to improve an excellent junior development system and furnish both it's clubs with players from Leeds for the future of the two Leeds clubs.

Over the years loads of Hunslet lads have crossed the river, now they'll be crossing it both ways and the old dead rivalry can be replaced by something else positive.

All for the good of the clubs AND the game.

All for the good of Leeds. All decent players on the Hunslet books as DR players will be siphoned off to Leeds whenever Leeds need them and I would bet that if Hunslet uncover a Hardacre on their own, they will put pressure on Hunslet and hoover him up as well.

The only ones staying on the South side of the river for any length of time will be the no hopers. Why would Hunslet sign any propsects, they can just rely on Leeds doing it for them. Hubslet, shorn of DR players will be even worse than they were last season.

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Or maybe our 13 contracted players who played Sunday were better than the 14 Donny contracted players on the day?

I also see one of our contracted players won Championship Player of week ;)

And one of your SL loanees scored one of the tries in your loinerlike victory.

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