Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

clement

Langtree Park

26 posts in this topic

Why does it lack atmosphere.Knowsley Road used to be buzzing but the new ground comes over bad on TV to the extent that you can even hear the players talking to each other.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I look forward to away games so much more than home games these days, the whole match day experience at LP is just depressing.

There are quite a few reasons, the main one being having the main atmospheric terrace behind the sticks (west stand) The atmsophere in the West tonight was abysmal once again last night, for the majority anyway. The openness of the stands and the fact that the main atmospheric terrace is behind the sticks means that the atmosphere just doesn't reach the players on the pitch, and gets lost out the back of the terrace.

Another problem for me, is that their are two many barriers, or not enough space between the barriers. There are probably more people who would like to come up to the back are help create an atmosphere, but if you are getting into the ground say 10 mins before kick off, then it's not worth fighting your way through the narrow spaces to get into an even narrower space. I was on the back row of the west as usual tonight, and there is only enough room for 2 rows of people to locate behind that top barrier. As a result, you end up with several pockets of singers all over the west, who all start songs off at different times. If the main terrace was along the side as it was at KR, then this wouldn't be the case.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

i went to last nights game with my brother in law who is a stains fan, i thought that the ground still looks unfinished and there is a distinct lack of supporter involvement, at knowsley road there were flags hung up in the stands and the atmosphere was quite intimidating to the visiting team, langtree park has all the atmosphere of a library...............

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As an outsider to this, I would point out thart Langtree Park is new and, like Wigan, once Central Parlk was demollished and they moved to the JJB. It takes time for fans to find their own feet at the new stadium

.

It's also the case that if your playing entertaining Rugby League and winning every week there is more of a crowd buzz than when results are not going your way..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Over 12,000 there,corporate/dining well attended - still,you have to complain about something.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As an outsider to this, I would point out thart Langtree Park is new and, like Wigan, once Central Parlk was demollished and they moved to the JJB. It takes time for fans to find their own feet at the new stadium

.

It's also the case that if your playing entertaining Rugby League and winning every week there is more of a crowd buzz than when results are not going your way..

A fair point, Langtree Park needs time to bed in as a rugby league venue. Although a quick improvement to the acoustics could be made by closing the gaps to the roof with cladding. The designers were trying to be clever making the roof look like a halo, but it just looks unfinished and lets any sound out of the stadium.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Over 12,000 there,corporate/dining well attended - still,you have to complain about something.

That what we saints fans are good at, best in the league I'd say

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A fair point, Langtree Park needs time to bed in as a rugby league venue. Although a quick improvement to the acoustics could be made by closing the gaps to the roof with cladding. The designers were trying to be clever making the roof look like a halo, but it just looks unfinished and lets any sound out of the stadium.

I thought it was unfinished. Was it actually designed to look like that?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought it was unfinished. Was it actually designed to look like that?

I've heard various sources either way, and I think Saints do have a revised plan to putting cladding in, but as far as I can recall the initial design is as it is built currently.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Over 12,000 there,corporate/dining well attended - still,you have to complain about something.

I think it is because we expect/hope Saints would get 15k+ for fixtures like this in their new ground. Perhaps the traffic problems contributed? I think they need to enclose the stands to stop the sound/atmosphere leaking

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've heard various sources either way, and I think Saints do have a revised plan to putting cladding in, but as far as I can recall the initial design is as it is built currently.

If that's the case then the design flaw is so obvious I'm surprised nobody said 'hang on a minute' when they saw the plans.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If that's the case then the design flaw is so obvious I'm surprised nobody said 'hang on a minute' when they saw the plans.

Style over substance, the novelty of having a unique 'halo' roof design for a team called Saints. I'd argue its clearly unique for a reason.

The alternative explanation I've been given is that Saints always intended to fill in the cladding, but only had the budget at the time for what was built.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All of the designs showed in advance including the 3d flythrough thingy showed a fully enclosed stadium.

McManus has since stated that the plan was always to have it left open. I think he was trying to save face over a poor decision made to trim costs.

The stadium looks unfinished.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ive not been to Langtree park and before I criticise I applaud mr McManus for building a badly needed new stadium,and Ive only seen images of the place,but I dont think t looks as good as it did on the promotional video's bfore it was built.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Crowds seem good compared to Knowsley Road so cant be so bad. Prob seems worse cos cameras arent on top of hardcore any more and Saints keep being poop on home tv games.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They still sing the two songs they sang at Knowsley Road though,the one that goes foooorrrrrrrwwwaaaarddddd and the other one that goes boooooooooooooooo!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I look forward to away games so much more than home games these days, the whole match day experience at LP is just depressing.

There are quite a few reasons, the main one being having the main atmospheric terrace behind the sticks (west stand) The atmsophere in the West tonight was abysmal once again last night, for the majority anyway. The openness of the stands and the fact that the main atmospheric terrace is behind the sticks means that the atmosphere just doesn't reach the players on the pitch, and gets lost out the back of the terrace.

Another problem for me, is that their are two many barriers, or not enough space between the barriers. There are probably more people who would like to come up to the back are help create an atmosphere, but if you are getting into the ground say 10 mins before kick off, then it's not worth fighting your way through the narrow spaces to get into an even narrower space. I was on the back row of the west as usual tonight, and there is only enough room for 2 rows of people to locate behind that top barrier. As a result, you end up with several pockets of singers all over the west, who all start songs off at different times. If the main terrace was along the side as it was at KR, then this wouldn't be the case.

I've just been working on a project in Durham and the site manager was in charge of the Langtree Park development, he told me the openness at the back of the stands is supposed to represent the Halo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The design of Langtree Park doesn't seem to have impeded the ability of the Saints fans to boo their team at great volume, or to leave early at pace.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Crowds seem good compared to Knowsley Road so cant be so bad. Prob seems worse cos cameras arent on top of hardcore any more and Saints keep being poop on home tv games.

Thats a good point that, saints seem to have done the opposite of what warrington did.

Wire's main(vocal)home support was the somewhat legendary (i've typed that and i'm guessing people will think i'm Wendell, i'm really not honestly) Fletcher End. The club changed that at the HJ by getting most of the standing support spread out along the south stand.

At saints they've taken all the noisy buggers that used to be along the touchline and put them at the end of the ground. It's a different lay out totally.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've just been working on a project in Durham and the site manager was in charge of the Langtree Park development, he told me the openness at the back of the stands is supposed to represent the Halo.

That's a great notion. Unfortunately it has to be explained before people realise it. So it doesn't work.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have a few thoughts on this:

- it just takes time for a new ground to feel like home. It takes shared experiences;

- I agree that the terrace along the side a la Headingley and the HJ, works so much better. You want your hard core together and everyone else to have space;

- perhaps they share a view with other clubs that the first 27 games are something of a pre season, and so feel less engaged;

- Saints' fans are discerning enough to be concerned at the relative (compared with the last decade at KR) lack of class and less entertaining style of play from the current team, which must translate itself into the atmosphere; and

- where Sky puts its cameras makes a big difference.

That said, they are still getting great crowds, built their own ground and are near enough to the top of the league to have plenty of happy days to build up the atmosphere.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Who "decided" to move the sweary folk from under the sky cameras to the end?

... I've drawn a blank, are there seats along this side? That'll explain it...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

At saints they've taken all the noisy buggers that used to be along the touchline and put them at the end of the ground. It's a different lay out totally.

The fans wanted a standing side, like at Warrington, but the club wouldn't agree. Originally the stadium was due to be all seater so the compromise is what we have now. It doesn't work though as the open sides mean that whatever noise is made by the West and East Stands floats out of the ground. We in the West can't hear the North Stand; those in the North can't hear the West Stand. The stadium is a hopeless design and is very disappointing in this regard (and also in the lack of protection from the elements regard, especially when the rain makes puddles in the concourses).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The fans wanted a standing side, like at Warrington, but the club wouldn't agree. Originally the stadium was due to be all seater so the compromise is what we have now. It doesn't work though as the open sides mean that whatever noise is made by the West and East Stands floats out of the ground. We in the West can't hear the North Stand; those in the North can't hear the West Stand. The stadium is a hopeless design and is very disappointing in this regard (and also in the lack of protection from the elements regard, especially when the rain makes puddles in the concourses).

Like I said before I have never been to Langtree park,but I thought it looked better in the promotional images and video's before it was built than it does now its built.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Although a quick improvement to the acoustics could be made by closing the gaps to the roof with cladding.

yep....the reflections from the would-be surface are required for sound reinforcement

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



League Express - Mon 10th April 2017

Rugby League World - April 2017