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Dixon & Welham over Cockayne & Ablett for mine, otherwise looks fair enough. Not sure even he knows his best position but I think Richard Whiting has done enough in the last 12 months to deserve a call up as well.

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Its pure ignorance to suggest that Ben Cockayne does'nt deserve his call up:

2013 up there as

Top metre maker

Top Line breaker

Top tryscorer

very similar stats last year as well, and all this achieved in a team that struggled in the bottom 4 for most of last year.

He's defesively very good, has a huge workrate and brings a level of enthusiasm that inspires those around him.

Ryan Atkins

he must have broken into McNamaras house on christmas eve and peed on his childrens presents!

He's the best or at the very least one of the top 2 centres available to England so why does SM refuse to select him? As a paying fan who'll attend all the England games I expect to see the best players representing my country and not see a 2nd choice player in there just because the National coach has a personality (cough) clash

Danny Brough

Should be the first name on the team sheet, he's exactly what the National sides been missing since Andy Gregory

Yes he's a cocky arrogant little git but are'nt all the best English halfbacks

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From the squad announced this morning

1 Hardaker

2 Charnley

3 Watkins

4 Cudjoe

5 Hall

6 Sinfield

7 Tomkins

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Dixon & Welham over Cockayne & Ablett for mine, otherwise looks fair enough. Not sure even he knows his best position but I think Richard Whiting has done enough in the last 12 months to deserve a call up as well.

Dixon has potential, but he can't be realistically considered for the World Cup this time. I looked forward to seeing him against Wigan in round 4 but he was very poor.

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Surprised not to see Shaun Lunt's name in the 30 man squad. I think he must have upset McNamara on the 2010 trip down under for the Four Nations as he hasn't been picked since!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ablett, Wilkin JJb, Chase, Mcguire Cudjoe to hopefully be replaced by Burgess x 2, Brough, Reed and Widdop.

At least there's competition for places mind.

If we have Sinfield and Chase at 6 and 7 ahead of Widdop and Brough then Mcnamara needs his head examined.

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I wouldn`t have have Ablett, Cockayne,Morley, Tickle, Wilkin or Mcguire in the squad. All have been either tried (unsuccessfully), are too old or not good enough. One of Englands major problems are the centres. The main job of the centre is an ability to feed the wingers with a chance to score. The 2 best distributors i have seen this year are Cudjoe and Goulding (both more creative than Ablett) and Mcgilveray looks more potent than Cockayne at finishing. We`ve tried and tried with Mcguire so Brough should be given a chance. Rather talk Peacock out of retirement than Morley (for all his great service) and as for Wilkin, we could always try him at scrum half!

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It strikes me (as somebody with no allegiance to any SL club) but who watches every tv match that a number of the selected players are in there on reputation and not on their form over the last twelve months or so.

I know it has been done to death previously but as a proud Englishman I can never accept that Rangi Chase should be selected. He isn't good enough consistently, he is a raging fruitcake and more importantly he ISN'T ENGLISH in the true sense.

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I might be speaking with bias, but its also true to say that Cudjoe has come back from his international duties an even better player

His defence has improved out of sight (and he wasn't bad before), his work rate is amazing and his attacking play had been brilliant so far, it's only 5 games in but he very much deserves his spot

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Its pure ignorance to suggest that Ben Cockayne does'nt deserve his call up:

2013 up there as

Top metre maker

Top Line breaker

Top tryscorer

very similar stats last year as well, and all this achieved in a team that struggled in the bottom 4 for most of last year.

He's defesively very good, has a huge workrate and brings a level of enthusiasm that inspires those around him.

Ryan Atkins

he must have broken into McNamaras house on christmas eve and peed on his childrens presents!

He's the best or at the very least one of the top 2 centres available to England so why does SM refuse to select him? As a paying fan who'll attend all the England games I expect to see the best players representing my country and not see a 2nd choice player in there just because the National coach has a personality (cough) clash

Danny Brough

Should be the first name on the team sheet, he's exactly what the National sides been missing since Andy Gregory

Yes he's a cocky arrogant little git but are'nt all the best English halfbacks

On Cockayne I would go along with all you say concerning enthusiasm and workrate without a doubt and add to that a heart as big as a lions too. Yet I do have reservations over the main item, that being his ability to perform at the very top level, which is another matter entirely. No disrespect intended, on the contrary I am and have been a fan for sometime of the lad, but S/L is a steep step below the NRL and it could be one that Ben is unable to make, but who know's.

As for Atkin's, well here I am in complete disagreement with you. I would concede that Atkins is big, rough and appears pretty tough also. Going forward with the ball in hand he can impress, although whether that alone transmits into being a good centre and a foil for his outside man is a debateable subject and one of those in which I personally believe Atkins fails.

Yet were I find Atkins largest and most glaring fault is in his defence, especially close to the line, or, if faced with a defencive decision to make, practically anywhere on the field. Man on man he is very capable but faced with someone who does not do the obvious he is very poor and often isolates his winger.

In these departments he is schoolboyish and does not appear to improve at all.

Please take note, watch and decide, if this is in your opinion a valid criticism to make?

I admit to not finding much to agree with in MacNamara's decision making, but on Atkins I do believe that he has also concluded that this aspect of the lads game is far below that expected of an international class centre and, that he is simply an unafordable luxury, one best done without.

Brough; undoubtedly the best tactical kicker in S/L, quick and bold to the extent of recklessness, that is when he is in the MOOD!

My criticism of Brough is simply that he is alway's prone to switching off and at times can hardly it seem's be bothered to even go through the motions of playing a game.

I would agree, when he is in the mood he can be devastating but over quite a few seasons now he has started each like a house on fire only to lose his enthusiasm and form after a time.

Whether this has been through coaching frailties I would not speculate, but then again it is not the coach that takes the field and decides when out there if he feels like playing or not.

I would not write Brough off but he would have to be at his very best and displaying an appetite for the game, match in and match out, before he would be in my squad.

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If you ask a dozen people you'll get a dozen different squads - as evinced by the last couple of pages of posts - so we shouldn't be surprised when Mac's selection differs from our own.

I actually disagree with only a few of his picks but overall don't think it is too shabby a squad.

I keep having nightmares about 2008 and wondering what Smith could have done differently, and despite some shambolic defensive structures and apparently divided team, think he was actually lacking a great go-to player and had too many others short on form.

We seem to have a slightly larger pool of players now than 2008 so I am less worried about form, but the absence of a world class player to steer us around the park remains.

My guess is we will see Sinfield as the main man with an appropriate half back (Myler or Chase), a great pair of hookers (Burrow and Roby) and a flashy game changer at full back (Sam). If that lot click and our big guns in the pack play to their potential the details of the squad selections won't matter as much. Charnely or Briscoe on the wing or Reed or Atkins in the centre won't be the difference between winning the World Cup and losing.

Think the Exiles game will be fascinating this year, and I reckon England will look much better than they have in the last two years.

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Just to compare with the England 2008 World Cup squad:

Jamie Peacock, Rob Burrow, Mark Calderwood, Gareth Ellis, Maurie Fa'asavalu, Ade Gardner, Martin Gleeson, James Graham, Micky Higham, Gareth Hock, Jamie-Jones Buchanan, Jamie Langley, Danny McGuire, Adrian Morley, Leon Pryce, Rob Purdham, James Roby, Keith Senior, Kevin Sinfield, Lee Smith, Paul Sykes, Paul Wellens, Ben Westwood, Jon Wilkin.

Danny Brough, Ben Harrison, Michael McIlorum and Rangi Chase played for other nationalities.

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(Nosying on Wikipedia there was a player in the Ireland squad called Brendan Guilfoyle, that sent a shiver down my spine!)

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A report by Andy Wilson on the Guardian website has Danny Brough being omitted from a longer (unreleased) 40-man squad - and with an offer to switch back to Scotland's ranks...

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11/24 named again, plus the 2/4 that switched.

But look at the other 13 that havent been names. Mark Calderwood and Lee Smith jump off the page straight away.

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MY TEAM........Vs..........SMs LIKELY TEAM

1. Tomkins.......Vs..........1. Tomkins

2. Hall .............Vs..........2. Hall

3. Atkins...........Vs.........3. Reed

4. Watkins........Vs.........4. Watkins

5. Charnley.......Vs.........5. Charnley

6. Widdop.........Vs.........6. Sinfield

7. Brough..........Vs.........7. Chase

8. S Burgess.....Vs.........8. Morley

9. Roby.............Vs.........9. Roby

10. Graham.......Vs........10. Graham

11. Westwood...Vs........11. JJB

12. Ellis.............Vs........12. Ellis

13. O'Loughlin...Vs........13. Burgess

14. Burrow.........Vs........14. Burrow

15. Hock............Vs........15. Westwood

16. Hill...............Vs........16. Wilkin

17. Mossop.......Vs.........17. Hill

I know its only a guess at SMs team but I don't think it'll be far wrong

I'd fancy my team to win

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But look at the other 13 that havent been names. Mark Calderwood and Lee Smith jump off the page straight away.

And the returnees in the main are forwards too. Somewhat of an outside backs rejuvination, which I thought may happen at the time, I think the next big push will be on half backs.

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Sorry to jump back a bit but Danny Brought has been consistently top drawer - he has lost that moodiness that he had exhibited

To omit him and tell him to go back to Scotland is tantamount to a punch in the face. To leave off the player who is simply our best kicker and creative halfback is a coach who can't see past his pet players

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Sorry to jump back a bit but Danny Brought has been consistently top drawer - he has lost that moodiness that he had exhibited

To omit him and tell him to go back to Scotland is tantamount to a punch in the face. To leave off the player who is simply our best kicker and creative halfback is a coach who can't see past his pet players

I have to agree. Too many, even in here will judge players based on 5 years ago.

With Scotland being my 2nd team in the WC I hope he does go back to them and prove a point (even though I dont like players changing sides)

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Lets have a look at the semi final line up from the '08 WC vs a Probable '13 line up

2008 WCSF.......Vs..........Likely '13 Team

1. Wellens....... Vs..........1. Tomkins

2. Gardner..........Vs.........2. Charnley

3. Gleeson........ .Vs.........3. Watkins

4. Senior........ Vs.........4. Reed

5. Calderwood.....Vs.........5. Hall

6. McGuire....... ..Vs.........6. Sinfield

7. Burrow.......... Vs.........7. Chase

8. Graham..... Vs.........8. Crabtree

9. Roby............. Vs.........9. Roby

10. Peacock.......Vs........10. Graham

11. Westwood... Vs........11. Westwood

12. Ellis............. Vs........12. Ellis

13. Purdham... Vs........13. Burgess

14. Pryce......... Vs........14. Burrow

15. Morley...... ...Vs.......15. Morley

16. Higham.........Vs.......16. Hill

17. Wilkin..... ..Vs........17. Hock

Personally, I think this team would beat the '08 version quite comfortably. The 3/4 line looks much more dangerous and the current 6/7 combo offers more direction than McGuire/Burrow did at the time. The bench is where we are much stronger though. I think that team can compete. It probably wont win anything, but it isn't as bad as what a lot of you are making out. Add to that the 18-23 compared to the rest of the '08 squad and it looks like we have massively improved in the "player pool"

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Ablett :lol: Jeeze England are desperate

An 18yr old on his SL debut made him look stupid last Friday, just imagine what world calss centres like Inglis & Morris will do to him. Even worse if he ends up having a yard dog like Cockayne as his winger.

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Ablett :lol: Jeeze England are desperate

An 18yr old on his SL debut made him look stupid last Friday, just imagine what world calss centres like Inglis & Morris will do to him. Even worse if he ends up having a yard dog like Cockayne as his winger.

I would imagine he'll be used in the forwards. :rolleyes:

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