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The results from the 2015 General Election are in

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Just as well we don't need to bother with actual voting now.

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Behind this arithmetic is of course a social process – the progressive collapse of the Tory party back into its south-east England heartland.

"Back into" implies that it used to be a party of the south-east - don't remember that.

And anyone who thinks Labour are guaranteed to win in 2015 based upon their position in the opinion polls now, are too young to have lived through the 80s/early 90s (or have an exceptionally poor memory).

Miliband has yet to be put under any real scrutiny, yet is still more unpopular than Cameron in the poll ratings. It is early days, but Labour don't seem to have come up with any game-changing strategy that suggests victory - if 'Blue Labour' is their big idea then why shouldn't people choose the real thing? There has been a definite swing from the Tories to UKIP, reflected in both by-elections and opinion polls, but a lot (if not all) of those votes are going to return at a general election - your typical Tory voter, faced with a wasted vote that will let a Labour government in, has nowhere else to go but their usual party. And, while Eastleigh showed that the both the coalition parties lost votes, there seemed little enthusiasm for the only viable alternative for government.

I think it will be a very tight result again, possibly a repeat of 2010 depending on what happens between now and 2015, but it is not a certain Labour victory/Tory defeat from this far out.

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if 'Blue Labour' is their big idea then why shouldn't people choose the real thing?

I think you haven't understood what "Blue Labour" means. Clue: it does not mean "copy the Tories".

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It's hard to take an analyst seriously when he says that he predicted the slow demise of the Tories in 1983. They went on to win the next two elections. Just how slow was it supposed to be?

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The general apathy towards both parties strikes me as we are heading for another hung parliament. The only difference this time will be that UKIP will be the swing party.

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Just as well we don't need to bother with actual voting now.

It's quite rare you read an article as daft as that.

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If anyone caught today's Daily Politics, they would have seen Mary Creagh (Labour) and Ed Vaisey (Conservative) giving ample evidence of their parties' impotence and lack of character.

Both were squirming and refusing to directly answer Andrew Neill's pointed questions about what their respective parties could do to keep out Eastern Europeans who insisted on coming here and claiming benefits. Vaisey wouldn't even look at Neill when the questions were pressed.

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Has anyone seen Labour's new PPB ? It's UKIP-lite for the masses.

Just had the Scottish version on tonight. Lots of blame for others, no responsibility from themselves, no real vision for the future. I may just be breaking the habit of a lifetime come 2015.

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Just had the Scottish version on tonight. Lots of blame for others, no responsibility from themselves, no real vision for the future.

I think you've just described every PPB ever broadcast. :happy:

What exactly is the point of them?

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I think you've just described every PPB ever broadcast. :happy:

What exactly is the point of them?

To annoy people waiting for their favourite programme. :)

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The main problem is that we are now run by a cartel of the political classes. Some wear red, some wear blue and others wear yellow etc. But fundamentally they all think and act pretty much the same. Non of them, at least those at the top of their respective parties, seem to have any genuine belief and conviction, they just shift position here and there to any position that they believe will get them into or keep them in power.

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Just had the Scottish version on tonight. Lots of blame for others, no responsibility from themselves, no real vision for the future. I may just be breaking the habit of a lifetime come 2015.

I don't know if that was the same one but the one I was referring to concentrated solely on immigration and had Miliband admitting their policy while in power was wrong and had caused problems on issues such as unemployment etc

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Here it is....

This doesn't exist. It is a figment of your imagination. Politicians do not discuss this topic ever. I know that because there was a long and excruciating thread on it last week.

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The main problem is that we are now run by a cartel of the political classes. Some wear red, some wear blue and others wear yellow etc. But fundamentally they all think and act pretty much the same. Non of them, at least those at the top of their respective parties, seem to have any genuine belief and conviction, they just shift position here and there to any position that they believe will get them into or keep them in power.

Very lazy thinking I'm afraid. Anyone with even a passing understanding of what is actually happening to the health system, the education system or the welfare system will know that what you've written isn't even close to true.

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Very lazy thinking I'm afraid. Anyone with even a passing understanding of what is actually happening to the health system, the education system or the welfare system will know that what you've written isn't even close to true.

Maybe I didn't put it across too well; there is no doubt this government is making some sweeping changes to the things you mention, but what I'm questioning is are they doing these things because they believe it is right, or because they believe it will keep them in power?

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Surely if the Scots vote for independence in 2014, then this alters all calculations as to who will win the 2015 election?

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Very lazy thinking I'm afraid. Anyone with even a passing understanding of what is actually happening to the health system, the education system or the welfare system will know that what you've written isn't even close to true.

Only on welfare is there any significant difference between the policies of the last government and the present one.

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Only on welfare is there any significant difference between the policies of the last government and the present one.

Ask a teacher what they think of that one (like my wife). Or anyone who sees the NHS in action from behind the scenes (like I do).

Or anyone who's about to lose money they can't afford to because they have a spare bedroom and there's no single bedroom house available for them to move to within fifty miles. (like my parents in law)

Step outside Waitrose, put down your skinny machiatto, or whatever overpriced metrosexual nonsense you drink, and look around you. It's ##### carnage out there.

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Only on welfare is there any significant difference between the policies of the last government and the present one.

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Did someone say something? I couldn't hear. Oh, it was the useful idiot again. Will someone please put him back in his box.

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Did someone say something? I couldn't hear. Oh, it was the useful idiot again. Will someone please put him back in his box.

Bless.

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Or anyone who's about to lose money they can't afford to because they have a spare bedroom and there's no single bedroom house available for them to move to within fifty miles. (like my parents in law)

This is a really stupid policy because, in most cases, the local council will have to pay for the removal costs plus two lots of redecorating.

What about this for a scenario?

They get a friendly doctor to say that one of them has a tremendous snoring problem and they need to sleep in separate rooms. If thery still don't get any joy, they can drag the appeal out for years.

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I don't know if that was the same one but the one I was referring to concentrated solely on immigration and had Miliband admitting their policy while in power was wrong and had caused problems on issues such as unemployment etc

No, we had one specifically for Scotland. It started off with an ordinary Scottish voter (or an actor playing one) who basically said "I'm Scottish, I'm proud to be Scottish, Scottish Labour's Scottish, I'm gonna vote Labour. Then Johann Lamont came on and blamed the Tories, the Lib Dems and the SNP (especially the SNP) for the ills facing society today; vote Labour!

Honestly, I'm under the impression that Labour have travelled back to the 80s/early 90s in terms of their prospects of winning a general election, and that their opinion poll lead will disappear like snow off a dyke.

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