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Danny Brough for Scotland, again ?

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Point taken, but the GB brand was built up over a lot longer time than that and was still dropped. And the England team wouldn't disappear - we still had an England team playing alongside GB.

And presumably the Celtic Tigers would replace the Exiles - another brand the RFL have been trying to build up for a few years. Although I have to admit, the Celtic Tigers would at least have some benefit to RL in this country beyond simply giving England a mid season game.

the celtic tigers would be the responsibility of the welsh,scots & irish governing bodies...nothing to do with the RFL...

its about the celtic nations stepping out of the RFL & Englands shadow...and doing whats best for them!

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just to add as well......im not against GB...id love it to return as a touring side every 4 year a la the british lions...but its pointless having it at the moment because it will just be the england 17 in GB chevrons..

but having a very competitive england v celtic tigers series would/could provide a legitimate pathway to bringing back Great Britain in the future...

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just to add as well......im not against GB...id love it to return as a touring side every 4 year a la the british lions...but its pointless having it at the moment because it will just be the england 17 in GB chevrons..

but having a very competitive england v celtic tigers series would/could provide a legitimate pathway to bringing back Great Britain in the future...

Theres nothing to stop the British Lions been all English if they where all better than the players from Scotland Ireland and Wales,as per all the other permutations.

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The trouble is that as someone has pointed out, Sinfield is in the way, in Brough's 2013 position.

McNamara has played his hand with Sinfield, and in many ways you can't disagree. If Sinny was a bit bigger and McNamara wanted to play a game with 3 pivots, then he could go to 13 and then room for Brough.

Brough's long kicking game is the best in the land. But yes we need an explanation on why he isn't considered.

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Theres nothing to stop the British Lions been all English if they where all better than the players from Scotland Ireland and Wales,as per all the other permutations.

theres nothing to stop it no....but it renders it pointless

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The whole World Cup tournament is a joke to me!

The best Australians playing in the NRL play for Australia, everyone else

just rates the other nations in their perceived order of ability and tries to play for

the highest rated team that will give them a game, nationality has nothing to do with it.

I might be wrong here Tim but I think it's not quite that simple. I believe there has to be some sort of link between the player and the nation he ends up playing for.

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Sinfield is a great team leader, who for a decade has had a great team built around him

Brough is a superior ball handler, kicker, halfback, defender and all round player and is by far the best choice for halfback we have for England

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the celtic tigers would be the responsibility of the welsh,scots & irish governing bodies...nothing to do with the RFL...

its about the celtic nations stepping out of the RFL & Englands shadow...and doing whats best for them!

It wouldn't be best for them though. What would happen is they'd play as Celtic Tigers for three years. Then when the WC rolls around theyd have to go back to their individual nations and no one would of played together. Celtic Tigers or even a pacific nations team are just short cuts and IMO would just stunt the growth of these nations

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there would still be opportunities to play as separate nations........just as they did under GB

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MCNamara was asked the question about Broughs suprising absence from the ETS and he completely skirted the issue and avoided answering the question.

Most supporters, coaches and anyone who follows the game know that Brough should be in the starting 17 let alone a 40 man training squad, all this avoidance in answering the question is a little insulting.

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Apparently he destroyed Leeds at Headingley last night scoring one creating several for the Giants. If he dosn't get picked for England, Scotland will have one very decent halfback in their squad.

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they'll have 2 if,as expected,peter wallace from brisbane,plays for scotland too

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It wouldn't be best for them though. What would happen is they'd play as Celtic Tigers for three years. Then when the WC rolls around theyd have to go back to their individual nations and no one would of played together. Celtic Tigers or even a pacific nations team are just short cuts and IMO would just stunt the growth of these nations

I don't think the idea would be for them to play together all the time, but it would be a method of the giving the better professional players who opted for the Celtic countries games against better quality opposition.

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he mentions a "pacific island team" too....

im pretty damn sure a deal as already been done for somekind of pacific "allstars" team to be the 4th team in the 2014 4 nations which is being held down under..

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Which will be full if players who previously played for Aus and NZ

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its ok cos NZ & australia has players that have previously played for island nations too...

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I don't think the idea would be for them to play together all the time, but it would be a method of the giving the better professional players who opted for the Celtic countries games against better quality opposition.

They are just starting to get regular games now I just don't think it will help them to start losing games so they can play as Celtic tigers.

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he mentions a "pacific island team" too....

im pretty damn sure a deal as already been done for somekind of pacific "allstars" team to be the 4th team in the 2014 4 nations which is being held down under..

I hope not the fact that France Wales and PNG can qualify for the 4 nations is a great development tool. Would be a shame if that was lost.

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i agree....but because the 4 nations is right after the world cup theres no way to determin the 4th nation in 2014.....hence the cop out of having a pacific island allstars team be the 4th team...

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MCNamara was asked the question about Broughs suprising absence from the ETS and he completely skirted the issue and avoided answering the question.

Most supporters, coaches and anyone who follows the game know that Brough should be in the starting 17 let alone a 40 man training squad, all this avoidance in answering the question is a little insulting.

Maybe, just maybe, McNamara's doing the honourable thing and not picking him since he's already played top-level international RL for another country. Having already played for Scotland in a World Cup ― the highest level that exists in any sport ― he shouldn't ever be allowed to switch allegiances.

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i agree....but because the 4 nations is right after the world cup theres no way to determin the 4th nation in 2014.....hence the cop out of having a pacific island allstars team be the 4th team...

Give the fourth spot to the highest finishing SH nation, barring Australia and New Zealand, at the WC.

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Maybe, just maybe, McNamara's doing the honourable thing and not picking him since he's already played top-level international RL for another country. Having already played for Scotland in a World Cup ― the highest level that exists in any sport ― he shouldn't ever be allowed to switch allegiances.

One of the most moronic things I've read on this forum

Why is he picking Chase, Carvell, Hill & others who all played for other nations previously?

Simple fact is this is an false argument - it doesn't matter who Brough previously played for in any way shape or form.

He is currently the best choice ENGLAND have for halfback, and is being ignored.

When challenged Macnamara has dodged the issue. That's the problem

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it doesn't matter who Brough previously played for in any way shape or form.

THE most moronic things I've read on this forum

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They are just starting to get regular games now I just don't think it will help them to start losing games so they can play as Celtic tigers.

I'm not particularly advocating the idea, I think the game should concentrate on developing the game within the individual countries. Where such an idea of a combined team would be useful would be if we went to the model of persuading established professionals to opt for Scotland, Wales or Ireland based upon them having a grandparent from these nations. Such a rep team might, if strong enough, get games against touring sides and provide stronger opposition for England. That might attract players who would otherwise opt for England for fear of missing out on top games.

As for regular games, Scotland and Ireland tend to get a couple of games per year, usually against the same opposition. Hardly a comprehensive international programme,

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