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John Drake

08/03/13 - Widnes Vikings v Bradford Bulls - KO 8pm

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    • Widnes Vikings
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    • Bradford Bulls
      8
    • Draw
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what a brilliant game, if this had been on sky they would be showing it all week, widnes were missing a full back, both centres and two half backs, oh and we had 12 men for 50 minutes.............widnes for the play offs, a good bet IMO.................

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Amazing game. Bradford totally dominant in the first half regardless of the Hock decision. They looked really good although a lot came off for them it must be said.

Second half was all one way traffic and Widnes could have easily won. It's hard to describe how knackered Bradford were in the final 10. You'd have no idea that Widnes had 12 men. Tbh Bradfords tactics were odd, they continually slowed the game out and kicked into touch. Surely their best bet was to play at a high tempo and hope 12 men couldn't cope.

Bradford will benefit from this as it showed they lacked something when the chips were down and they were up against it.

Definitely a point gained and happy at seeing a great game.

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It's hard to describe how knackered Bradford were in the final 10.
I think losing a couple or three players during the game took it's toll. Not to dismiss the Widnes effort though, my thoughts on that are littered over the previous hour.

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The old bad habits return to Haunt the Bulls! SoS (Switch off Syndrome) is back, lets hope Franny can rid it from the Teams mentality quickly!

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When we knocked on in their 20, and Bradford regathered, why on earth did they try the kick through?

Crazy decision..........

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Looks like Hock was sent off for swearing. Not that i'm condoning bad language, but surely a talking to or yellow would have been sufficient?

Then again, being down to 12 men certainly galvanised us tonight...........

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/news/12196/8550965/

he was already being shown a yellow according to one report I read

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Hock was yellow carded for some offence when Diskin scored; then immediately talked himself into a red.

If he had stayed on we would have been beaten easily because for the last ten minutes we had two big props and four lightweight forwards trying to contain a sustained bashing from a powerful set of big men. Chev Walker was helping out by switching from the wing to the centre in defence, but this meant Jarrod Sammut going out to the wing, and his influence round the ptb's was sorely missed. The Bulls players were completely drained at the end.

I thought Brett Kearney was comfortably the best player on the pitch but injuries and panic left us in the second half trying to hang on to a lead that we had coasted into in the first.

Rhys Hanbury and Ben Cross were outstanding for Widnes but, as a Welshman, I was a bit disappointed with Lloyd White.He has loads of talent and showed it in the second half, but was anonymous in the first half when the side were struggling. He could be a terrific player if he imposed himself more when his side are struggling.

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Did white start? The commentary suggested he came off the bench but i might have misheard

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Widnes are showing themselves to be a team that does well under pressure.

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Did white start? The commentary suggested he came off the bench but i might have misheard

I'm not sure, but he was on before half time.

If he played every week like he played in the second half, I can't see him being a bench player; he'd be a top notch starter.

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That's a great performance by Widnes. Wish I could have seen it. It's marvellous to see one of our truly great clubs on the rise again.

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lloyd started at stand off due to the injuries to key players.......but joe mellor was immense in both attack and defence,

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Well didnt even know Hock sent off until this morning and I was there!

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At the time I was refusing to blame the ref because we didn't know what had been said.

He said something to the in goal and was given a yellow that was upgraded to a red. If it's for swearing like Betts said it is ridiculous, I can't think of any other player that has been sent off for swearing and it's hard not to think that his reputation has preceded him.

I'm not sure we'd have won with him on the pitch. We'd been dominated up until that point and it certainly meant there was a different atmosphere about the second half. Our first try was the sort of risk you might not take if you're not facing a heavy defeat. Bradford too, despite injuries, took the foot off the gas expecting as everyone did that they would win by 40.

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I can't think of any other player that has been sent off for swearing and it's hard not to think that his reputation has preceded him.

I can.

Sir James Lowes was red-carded by Cummings (either him or Russell Smith) for (rightly, IMO) thinking he was a winker, but (wrongly) expressing that opinion verbally. IIRC he was shown a yellow for dissent, rapidly upgraded to red when he accused the official of engaging onanistic activities as he stormed off...

Same holds now I guess as I had to admit at the time: the minute players can undermine the officials' authority is the day the game rapidly degenerates into a free-for-all. It is respect on the park for the officials that saves us from going the way soccer has. Except we talking much bigger, stronger, fitter and tougher guys to manage here. Leave voicing concerns about the official's parentage or right-handed activities to the crowd.

This presupposes he swore at the official, of course. If he just said something that sounded a bit like like "what a load of chuffing rollocks" to no-one in particular, then the red card would seem severe?

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I can.

Sir James Lowes was red-carded by Cummings (either him or Russell Smith) for (rightly, IMO) thinking he was a winker, but (wrongly) expressing that opinion verbally. IIRC he was shown a yellow for dissent, rapidly upgraded to red when he accused the official of engaging onanistic activities as he stormed off...

Same holds now I guess as I had to admit at the time: the minute players can undermine the officials' authority is the day the game rapidly degenerates into a free-for-all. It is respect on the park for the officials that saves us from going the way soccer has. Except we talking much bigger, stronger, fitter and tougher guys to manage here. Leave voicing concerns about the official's parentage or right-handed activities to the crowd.

This presupposes he swore at the official, of course. If he just said something that sounded a bit like like "what a load of chuffing rollocks" to no-one in particular, then the red card would seem severe?

I'm still torn on this issue. Like I've said I'm feeling far from hard done to because I think it actually contributed to us getting a point and resulted in one of the best games I've seen for many a year.

It's funny because as a teacher I understand how the referee has made the decision. Some schools will operate a traffic light system that works in a similar way, you are given a warning and can get your name moved down to yellow (miss 5 minutes of play) and then if you persist will get your name moved to red and suffer further detention. On occasion, I have moved people to orange and then instantly to red but I will admit it has been due to irritation with them on my part. The system isn't designed to be used like that and is supposed to be emotionless really.

I saw that last night. It was yellow and then instantly became a red but Hock was stood literally 10 metres away at the time. That's why I'd still love to hear the RFL's version because I struggle to believe that this was why. If it is true it's hard to believe that it isn't related to who he is but like you say we can't condone real misconduct creeping into the game.

At the end of the day, I was more annoyed with Hock for doing it. I can't help but feel there might be a lack of respect at Widnes, his performances haven't suggested it but the amount of penalties have. If he really cared about the outcome and was trying his best would he be doing such senseless things? Would he have done that in a Grand Final? Is it the case that he is acting the big I am thinking he can do what he likes because it doesn't really matter to him.

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One for the Stattos out there. Last night was Widnes's first home draw for 15 years, ending a run of the last 8 draws all coming away from home. Our last Super League draw also came away at Bradford.

Another point I feel needs mentioning. Bradford brought about 600 or so very vocal fans who contributed to the game. Also, despite the vehemence of fans at the referee after the Hock incident there appeared to be almost no animosity or goading between the fans. Was nice to see for a change.

Here's where I inevitably find out there was lots that I just didn't see....

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What a great second half comeback. Widnes certainly deserved a point particularly taking into account -

1.Bradford were able to pick from the same 19 as for the Huddersfield game

2.Widnes were missing three influential players from the team that defeated Hull

3.Widnes were one man down from the 28th minute yet overcame a 16 point deficit

Well done to the Vikings.

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Thought Widnes definitely desrved a point for the comeback but the Bulls maybe deserve a kick up the backside. To be fair, no game is ever over til it's over, as they say, but to fail to win after being 20 - 4 to the good is essentially snatching a draw from the jaws of victory. As a game it was no doubt a cracker for the uncommitted but maybe a bit too much heart in mouth for a fan, well it was for this fan anyway! :dry:

Can I be the second to say I didn't know Hock had been sent off? I saw the yellow and assumed it was for ten but never realised he hadn't come back on - don't know why I go behind the sticks for away games, you're miles away from half the action.

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