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Dual Reg U-Turn

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Looking very likely according to Chairman in today's Evening Mail. Who with? Wigan???

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The added competition for places might just be the motivation required to spur the players on.

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Wigan and Huddersfield interested in loaning players from what I hear?

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I think your title of this thread is a bit misleading Baaarrow.

I'm pretty sure the club will be looking for Loan signings only.

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Wigan and Huddersfield interested in loaning players from what I hear?

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Looking very likely according to Chairman in today's Evening Mail. Who with? Wigan???

And it s kettle calling frying pan grimy ar*e CC1 was looming so much for independence or bust.

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I think your title of this thread is a bit misleading Baaarrow.

I'm pretty sure the club will be looking for Loan signings only.

Very mis-leading I would say.

Holty has already said in the mail he's looking at potential loan players.

Nothing about Dual Reg!

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I apologise Baaarrow, after reading the article, they are possibly looking at going down the Duel Reg route!

I wonder if this is what caused the split in the Board of Directors?

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I don't think the barrow fans would welcome dual reg link up at all. Especially after labelling us as workington vikings.

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Realistically it's probably the only route we have to remain competitive. I don't like the new DR system, however I thought the old system where we can request a loan player or DR from a SL club gave us the option of strengthening where it was needed and covering injured players. This season it's about strengthening where we are weak and, I hope keeping our independence in relation to who plays and when. I hope we can swallow our pride and get back to an even keel with other clubs but not at the expense of becoming a SL second team.

The board and Holty are not stupid and would only agree to something that was not detrimental to the squad.

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Wouldn't welcome a formal dual registration partnership. Would welcome signing loan deals in which we have players for certain periods in which they can't be recalled. Also they should be under 23. I'd think twice about attending a game if we became a reserve side.

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I don't think the barrow fans would welcome dual reg link up at all. Especially after labelling us as workington vikings.

This one would welcome s DR link up, its about staying in the division.

Quite simple for me, stick with the existing squad, watch the gate tumble and get relegated having wasted thousands on floodlights that will probably never get used in CC1, or bring in some SL DR players to compliment the better performers in the current squad and be competitive.

Featherstone don't need any DR additions to a squad that would hold it's own in SL better than the Raiders can do in the Championship. Sheffield, Halifax & Leigh all have strong squads that will fill 2nd, 3rd & 4th positions (in no particular order) come the end of the season so for their own reasons have chosen not to go the DR route.

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non of the teams not going down the duel reg road were promoted. all teams accept us have, i dont like it to be honest but as said above, gates and performances of the team need to be adressed.dont stick our heads in the sand because a few more games down the road and a challenge cup game not far away it might be to late.

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I would take Ryan Shaw back , but we must stay with under 23s don,t want go the way off Swinton ect

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cant see any hudd players coming with the restictions their put on us over their players :( :( :(

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we played worky and got beat comprehensively, and they only had one DR player because there best winger is injured,

my opinion is that we have not recruited well enough end of!

holty(and the club) will look like clowns if we do go down the DR route as they have stated adamantly in the press that this is not an option.

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Why would it be a disaster if we got relegated? We'd go straight back up if we did. We could have an entire South Cumbria based squad and go straight back up. I'd say the average number of away fans in CC1 last year was 75, so we won't be missing out on much there. We'd pay half as much on wages, fair enough more travelling but I'd imagine we'd get more floating fans in due to winning games. I highly doubt the club would go under if we went down, it would take some financial recalculations but we'd likely be fine. We own our own ground, we have an ameteur game which produces enough players to comfortably win CC1, we've got the right people in charge. We arn't forced to go into a partnership, we're more sustainable than most CC clubs.

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Why would it be a disaster if we got relegated? We'd go straight back up if we did. We could have an entire South Cumbria based squad and go straight back up. I'd say the average number of away fans in CC1 last year was 75, so we won't be missing out on much there. We'd pay half as much on wages, fair enough more travelling but I'd imagine we'd get more floating fans in due to winning games. I highly doubt the club would go under if we went down, it would take some financial recalculations but we'd likely be fine. We own our own ground, we have an ameteur game which produces enough players to comfortably win CC1, we've got the right people in charge. We arn't forced to go into a partnership, we're more sustainable than most CC clubs.

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Why would it be a disaster if we got relegated? We'd go straight back up if we did. We could have an entire South Cumbria based squad and go straight back up. I'd say the average number of away fans in CC1 last year was 75, so we won't be missing out on much there. We'd pay half as much on wages, fair enough more travelling but I'd imagine we'd get more floating fans in due to winning games. I highly doubt the club would go under if we went down, it would take some financial recalculations but we'd likely be fine. We own our own ground, we have an ameteur game which produces enough players to comfortably win CC1, we've got the right people in charge. We arn't forced to go into a partnership, we're more sustainable than most CC clubs.

without a doubt the biggest pile of rancid dogs faeces i've seen written on here. if barrow get relegated it'll be an absolute disaster fir the club and in my opinion will be the start of the end of professional rugby in the town.

You,barrowraiderskid are mental!

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without a doubt the biggest pile of rancid dogs faeces i've seen written on here. if barrow get relegated it'll be an absolute disaster fir the club and in my opinion will be the start of the end of professional rugby in the town.

You,barrowraiderskid are mental!

so you are saying that if barrow get relegated this season, there will be no barrow raiders next year???

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sounds like same ambitions of barrow soccer. lets go down a division, cut out all the long travelling for the fans and everything is hunky dory.sorry but i dont think so. every player who plays at present for the raiders wants to be playing at the highest level and winning games.alright at present it aint happening for us but the mere thought of relegation for the club will put us back 20 years at craven park. look at whats happened to oldham. not long ago a top division team playing a high standard . now a sh..t hole of a ground and playing in a league that they realy shouldnt be in. last 5 seasons a cp have been spot on . a few lows but plenty of highs.

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without a doubt the biggest pile of rancid dogs faeces i've seen written on here. if barrow get relegated it'll be an absolute disaster fir the club and in my opinion will be the start of the end of professional rugby in the town.

You,barrowraiderskid are mental!

Right please argue the points made.

First point made we'd go straight back up with a whole south cumbrian based side. Lets say a disaster happens and Harrison goes. The only players who played last year who weren't based in South Cumbria were Dandy, Ballard, Bracek, Brennan, Duffy I may of missed another one and I think I have feel free to correct me but thats it. Have you seen how much the standard of the league has dropped since then? It's basically ameteur division we'd coast the league. The likes of Gordon and Nicholson who are currently playing ameteur would get into any side in the league. If you don't think we'd win the league then you lack alot of confidence. I think if we did get relegated Darren would have more than enough confidence to select a entire South Cumbrian side and still win the league.

Then about the away fans last year. Only Town and Haven brought three figures last year, everyone else brought minimal and you could probably count them from a hospitality box in the main stand. So we arn't going to lose massive amounts on away support in comparision to last year, obviously we won't have the likes of Featherstone and Fax coming to town but we won't be missing much in away support from last year.

We wouldn't have to pay out much on wages. There wouldn't be any travelling costs as we could have a whole local squad. We can't pay more than 150k on wages anyways and we wouldn't have to spend any more regardless to win the league, the quality of the league is abysmal. It appears in the Championship we will have to pay full 300k to compete and recruit exceptionally well something we haven't done this year if you face reality. With the top of the Championship very strong and the weaker sides now SL reserve teams the competition is much more fierce and something I don't think we were prepared for.

Then I made a point about the crowds. I'm going to bring the Soccer into this as I feel it's relevant. Barrow is a working class town, so with a tight budget the majority of people will only go watch a winning side. If they're losing they don't attend. It's a fact, the Soccer they get promotion and win games they get 3k first game and get many a game 2k and it all appears good. They lose momentum regularly lose games as seasons go by a bang you're back down to 700 fans in a matter of years. It's the same with the rugby. I made the point in pre season that the crowds would go up on the back of the promotion but I think it was Soss pointed out rightly that crowds will go down if we lose so don't budget to gain on the back of last seasons gates as we were winning. (We didn't lose at Craven Park last year) I know the first two gates arn't much to go by due to horrid weather and a freezing thursday night but gates already seem down on last year. They may get better as the weather improves but if results don't we wont get much higher.

Right Barrow have a huge debt to pay off yes that is unfortunately hanging over us but we own our own ground. That is vital. The club has a huge asset. Look at Bradford, they lose the ground and they're on the brink of collapse. We have a great board, incredibly loyal, hard working and committed volunteers, a very well run lottery scheme and a very loyal set of core fans who will turn upto games through thick and thin. To me that sounds sustainable. Right we get relegated, you say the club is going to collapse in a year, seriously? We'd breeze through promotion back to CC1. I've looked at the squad lists and I don't recognise anybody in them. They're ameteurs who arn't better than the majority we have playing for what we have round here.

Obviously I don't have details to the clubs finances and there will be people on here who know much more than me about them, but I fail to see where this huge collapse you seem to be implying will happen. All the points I made seem to point towards BRLFC having a better chance of surviving than alot of other clubs.

I can accept disagreeing with my post but can you at least take the time to show me why you disagree. Just calling it **** doesn't help anything. I feel the points I made are fair but don't call me mental if you won't take the time out to debate what I said.

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sounds like same ambitions of barrow soccer. lets go down a division, cut out all the long travelling for the fans and everything is hunky dory.sorry but i dont think so. every player who plays at present for the raiders wants to be playing at the highest level and winning games.alright at present it aint happening for us but the mere thought of relegation for the club will put us back 20 years at craven park. look at whats happened to oldham. not long ago a top division team playing a high standard . now a sh..t hole of a ground and playing in a league that they realy shouldnt be in. last 5 seasons a cp have been spot on . a few lows but plenty of highs.

Oldham is different to ourselves. They don't have any ameteurs to chose from apart from Saddleworth. So therefore they're going to struggle to pick a local side therefore have to pick players from where ever they can find them. Then they have huge soccer clubs around the area aswell as other SL clubs. Where are Oldham meant to get their fan base from, they've got huge sports clubs surrounding them and they are taking their fans. What other sports team are the people of Barrow going to watch apart from Barrow RL or Soccer? There isn't one.

I don't think people realise how lucky we are to have the likes of Roose, Barrow Island, Hindpool ect ect around to try and get people playing the game and trying to field sides, it all helps Barrow. It makes us have a decent selection of players to choose from which are good enough to compete in CC1. Oldham do not have this luxury. Neither do the majority of clubs in the division. Also having no one to steal our fans helps too.

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your right to have your opinion but if we go down to ch 1 we will be lucky to have 500 fans at home games and even less who go away. with the amount of amature clubs round here and sky sports on every week with a game on thur fri sat and sun i think we would struggle to get the best local lads to turn up and put a shirt on for the raiders.

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