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add another one to the list?

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Tomkins

Hall

Cudjoe

Atkins

Charnley

Widdop

Brough

Graham

Roby

Hill

Westwood

S Burgess

O'Loghlin

Lomax

Hock

G Burgess

Crabtree

Is this your Great Britain team?

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Is this your Great Britain team?

Every single one of them English born n bred

Every single one of them eligible for England

What's your point! (as if we didn't know)

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Tomkins

Hall Reed Atkins Lineham

Sinfield Chase

Graham Roby Hill

S.Burgess Westwood

O'Loghlin

Hock G.Burgess Widdop Crabtree

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Tomkins

Hall

Watkins

Walker

Briscoe

Widdop

Brough

Graham

Roby

S. burgess

Ellis

Westwood

Sinfield

Burrow

Hock

Crabtree

Farrell

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Tomkins

Briscoe/Charnley

Reed/Hardaker

Watkins

Hall

Widdop

Sinfield

Graham

Roby

Hill

Burgess

Westwood

O'Loughlin

G.Burgess

Crabtree

Burrow

Hock/Farrell

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To be quite honest,I'm bored of the "who should be halfback" argument.

It's more about the mindset of the English players beating the Aussies.Not asking them to sign players boots after games.Having a "hatred" of the Aussies,a determination to beat them and beat them convincingly.

Right your bored with the question I have posed and that is in itself acceptable, even though you decline to answer the question put to you why?

It is a straightforward one and a straight answer would be appreciated, bored with it or not.

As for Jacknife and his reply.

I would like to ask on what basis do you find the Sinfield/Chase combination one that has impressed with its displays so far?

Even during the recent French and the Welsh debacles, they were far short of being impressive together.

Consequently with just one or two more games in which to obtain this rapid improvement you are so confident of, this in order to shine against the best of Oz and Kiwiland, they are going to have to go some by my reckoning in order to gain such a mythical cohesion, one which they have been so blatantly lacking, so far.

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Right your bored with the question I have posed and that is in itself acceptable, even though you decline to answer the question put to you why?

It is a straightforward one and a straight answer would be appreciated, bored with it or not.

As for Jacknife and his reply.

I would like to ask on what basis do you find the Sinfield/Chase combination one that has impressed with its displays so far?

Even during the recent French and the Welsh debacles, they were far short of being impressive together.

Consequently with just one or two more games in which to obtain this rapid improvement you are so confident of, this in order to shine against the best of Oz and Kiwiland, they are going to have to go some by my reckoning in order to gain such a mythical cohesion, one which they have been so blatantly lacking, so far.

Actually ,I'm bored with posters who have one single agenda, whether it's this thread or any other.

You continually use the same players as scapegoats,even if they aren't to blame for a poor performance.It is and always has been ,tedious.

Yes,have Sinfield at 6. I haven't seen a lot of Widdop but from what I have seen,I don't think he is the answer to Englands halfback problems.Chase is too much of a liability at 7,with Brough partnering Sinfield,England have two excellent kicking options,that would keep any team guessing.

There are many players who haven't shown up in either the Great Britain or England shirt that have been given continual chances.Unliike other posters,I won't continually berate them.

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Hardacre

Briscoe/Charnley (and keeping an eye on Linehams development)

Watkins

Reed

Hall

Widdop

Tomkins

Graham

Roby/Lunt/Houghton? (form then the main denominator)

Crabtree

Burgess S

Westwood

O'Loughlin

Burrows

Hill

Farrell

Burgess G (dependent on continuing progress) Otherwise with same condition applying; Burgess L.

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We constantly hear that Reed is off the pace, maybe even a one season wonder yet he seems to always get a spot.

Widdop got skinned by Watkins in the WCC which is enough for Atkins not to be considered yet many want Widdop straight in.

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We constantly hear that Reed is off the pace, maybe even a one season wonder yet he seems to always get a spot.

Widdop got skinned by Watkins in the WCC which is enough for Atkins not to be considered yet many want Widdop straight in.

Dave; Widdop has one item over most of the others: consistency and don't take my word for it, try Craig Bellamy's. If he did not contain that he would be out of the best club side in the world very quickly, seeing that he has played something like 80 or more first team games practically on the trot there I would contend there can be little argument with the statement.

That consistency must be of a pretty high standard to hold down a spot in the Melbourne side for three seasons also, wouldn't you agree?

Chase is not a player that can be given any such an accolade and to be fair, maintaining a spot at Cas does not quite compare with the record of say; at Melbourne.

Watkins went past Widdop on only one occasion in the WCC match although he (Watkins) did have a very good match in an attacking capability throughout and stood up more than just Widdop too.

Defenceively, well that is another matter entirely, there reference is made to him (Watkins) in all games not that match alone. Not to denigrate with that statement apart from the fact that: he will, barring injury, play in the centre for England, but his defence will have to be much better for him to maintain his place when he does.

However as he is such a very potent attacker I am certain he will be there at the start.

Reed is breaking no pots yet this time and as you say may prove a one season wonder.

But the fact remains that he is a centre who can provide for the man outside of him, Hall got two tries V OZ with Reed as his centre and the opposition did not gain anything down that wing either. I do harp on about it but a strong defender at centre is almost as essential as a strong attacking player and, one that can perform adequetely at both is for me a must, especially when others struggle to do that.

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Dave; Widdop has one item over most of the others: consistency and don't take my word for it, try Craig Bellamy's. If he did not contain that he would be out of the best club side in the world very quickly, seeing that he has played something like 80 or more first team games practically on the trot there I would contend there can be little argument with the statement.

That consistency must be of a pretty high standard to hold down a spot in the Melbourne side for three seasons also, wouldn't you agree?

Chase is not a player that can be given any such an accolade and to be fair, maintaining a spot at Cas does not quite compare with the record of say; at Melbourne.

Watkins went past Widdop on only one occasion in the WCC match although he (Watkins) did have a very good match in an attacking capability throughout and stood up more than just Widdop too.

Defenceively, well that is another matter entirely, there reference is made to him (Watkins) in all games not that match alone. Not to denigrate with that statement apart from the fact that: he will, barring injury, play in the centre for England, but his defence will have to be much better for him to maintain his place when he does.

However as he is such a very potent attacker I am certain he will be there at the start.

Reed is breaking no pots yet this time and as you say may prove a one season wonder.

But the fact remains that he is a centre who can provide for the man outside of him, Hall got two tries V OZ with Reed as his centre and the opposition did not gain anything down that wing either. I do harp on about it but a strong defender at centre is almost as essential as a strong attacking player and, one that can perform adequetely at both is for me a must, especially when others struggle to do that.

I am no fan of Chase at 7 for England, I think he has lost his way since his MOS season. I am also not Sinfield's biggest fan, my point was more of a general thing that people seem happy to accept mediocre performances from NRL players, whereas they will jump on below par performances from English based players.

This isn't just aimed at you btw.

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Goerge Burgess had another storming game this morning, his workrate was very high in both attack and defence and the quality of his work was first class. He did give a couple of soft penalyies away although one was a bit harsh, importantly he was clever enough to modify his reading of the game and clean up his act.

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Petero im not saying im right or you wrong im just saying in my opinion chase n sinfield are our best half combo, IMO chase is the best off the cuff half we have n sinfield is the most organized an with a kicking game.

In the past 5years we must of had more than 10 different half combos were as the aussies have had lockyer n JT n they have slowly introduced Cronk. New Zealand have had benji n foran n also young johnson so as much as I dislike mcnamara been coach I actually like his thinking behind gettin a team n letting it full gel n im willing to give him the chance to try it.

If it work great if it dunt unlucky bring on the next coach with his theory.

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Petero im not saying im right or you wrong im just saying in my opinion chase n sinfield are our best half combo, IMO chase is the best off the cuff half we have n sinfield is the most organized an with a kicking game.

In the past 5years we must of had more than 10 different half combos were as the aussies have had lockyer n JT n they have slowly introduced Cronk. New Zealand have had benji n foran n also young johnson so as much as I dislike mcnamara been coach I actually like his thinking behind gettin a team n letting it full gel n im willing to give him the chance to try it.

If it work great if it dunt unlucky bring on the next coach with his theory.

That seems a strange way of thinking about things.

If Chase and Sinfield had developed a really good understanding and had demonstrated on multiple occassions that they were an effective partnership, then yes, I could see the logic in sticking with them. Does anyone think that this is the case? Because if not then it would seem to make far more sense to select the players who are in the best form currently.

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I am no fan of Chase at 7 for England, I think he has lost his way since his MOS season. I am also not Sinfield's biggest fan, my point was more of a general thing that people seem happy to accept mediocre performances from NRL players, whereas they will jump on below par performances from English based players.

This isn't just aimed at you btw.

I never imagined that the emboldened part was but thanks for the reminder. ;)

Presently, although I am a fan of Reed compared to those that are in contention with him I too would be sceptical of his form and without doubt lacking improvement he would be no certain choice for me either, for as you say no better than mediocre in the NRL is not good enough for England either and unless Reed does improve his performances then someone, wherever they are playing would receive as much attention when selection time arrived.

Glad to see that Chase is not on your favourites list also for in my book he is a liability, a player who most of the time does not know what he himself is going to do let alone those playing with him!

On KS well my bone of contention lies with the a simple fact: he has had so many chances to prove he is the one player we have who is capable of marshalling those around him for the entire 80 minutes of a game Versus the best opposition that can be arrayed against him primarily and the team he is supposedly leading in general.

For Leeds in S/L yes without question he turns in that type of performance upon a regular basis, but! V the best from OZ and Kiwiland he has yet to display the same capability for me and consequently, goalkicking apart, Kevin I maintain is not up to performing the job on that stage that he is entrusted with.

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I never imagined that the emboldened part was but thanks for the reminder. ;)

Presently, although I am a fan of Reed compared to those that are in contention with him I too would be sceptical of his form and without doubt lacking improvement he would be no certain choice for me either, for as you say no better than mediocre in the NRL is not good enough for England either and unless Reed does improve his performances then someone, wherever they are playing would receive as much attention when selection time arrived.

Glad to see that Chase is not on your favourites list also for in my book he is a liability, a player who most of the time does not know what he himself is going to do let alone those playing with him!

On KS well my bone of contention lies with the a simple fact: he has had so many chances to prove he is the one player we have who is capable of marshalling those around him for the entire 80 minutes of a game Versus the best opposition that can be arrayed against him primarily and the team he is supposedly leading in general.

For Leeds in S/L yes without question he turns in that type of performance upon a regular basis, but! V the best from OZ and Kiwiland he has yet to display the same capability for me and consequently, goalkicking apart, Kevin I maintain is not up to performing the job on that stage that he is entrusted with.

So who is the saviour of the English half backs then.Could he be from Halifax and play in the NRL?

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So who is the saviour of the English half backs then.Could he be from Halifax and play in the NRL?

Well if you really want to know: compared with the incumbents; YES. :rolleyes:

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Well if you really want to know: compared with the incumbents; YES. :rolleyes:

i suspect he would need his clubmates around him. I've not seen much of him but what i have doesn't make me think he would turn us into World Cup winners.

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i suspect he would need his clubmates around him. I've not seen much of him but what i have doesn't make me think he would turn us into World Cup winners.

Nor do I, but on past evidence, if that is what you are inclining to I would have to say: that neither is Kevin Sinfield and, especially when coupled with Rangi Chase.

Look we are being a bit childish with these comments and in reality we have differing views on different players. I would not be foolish enough to state that Gareth Widdop is the one man put into the England side that could guarantee us carrying off the trophy, far from it, but surely you too can agree that KS ( never mind the other one) has had his chances to prove his worth and as yet he has, sadly ( I really mean that) fallen short on delivery.

Widdop could do better, then again he could do worse, yet carrying on with the smae tried and trusted come what may is the method of the deluded and no way does it show that ht e coach is a progressive thinker over the game, I realise that he has set his stall out and wants a settled side, so so the Aussies, kiwi's etc, but their players have to a greater degree proven that they can deliver, unfortunately our old guard ( Which this is) has not done that!!

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Nor do I, but on past evidence, if that is what you are inclining to I would have to say: that neither is Kevin Sinfield and, especially when coupled with Rangi Chase.

Look we are being a bit childish with these comments and in reality we have differing views on different players. I would not be foolish enough to state that Gareth Widdop is the one man put into the England side that could guarantee us carrying off the trophy, far from it, but surely you too can agree that KS ( never mind the other one) has had his chances to prove his worth and as yet he has, sadly ( I really mean that) fallen short on delivery.

Widdop could do better, then again he could do worse, yet carrying on with the smae tried and trusted come what may is the method of the deluded and no way does it show that ht e coach is a progressive thinker over the game, I realise that he has set his stall out and wants a settled side, so so the Aussies, kiwi's etc, but their players have to a greater degree proven that they can deliver, unfortunately our old guard ( Which this is) has not done that!!

As I stated earlier many other players have had many chances and not delivered.Is it down to one particular player,or the make up of a team.You are of the view that one player is the problem.I suggest it is the lack of depth in most positions that is really the problem.

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i suspect he would need his clubmates around him. I've not seen much of him but what i have doesn't make me think he would turn us into World Cup winners.

You can watch Widdops performances when the 3 were playing SOO he was the stand out player on the pitch in 2 of the games. Widdop must be doing something right to be holding down stand off at the best club side in the world. I will admit he was poor against Leeds though, but that was one game and he was rather consistent last season.

I don't think anyone has a fixation on Sinfield, people just realise he isn't good enough and when he gets picked constantly people are obviously going to comment. Yes Sinfield wasn't the reason we have been literally no where near the Aussies since 2004 but you can't argue with people saying he's played poorly against the Aussies. If he can't control a game against who he's played previous then he's going to struggle against his opposition halves and hookers who are being dubbed the best in their position of all time.

Widdop hasn't been tried at international level while Sinfield has. Therefore people want to see Widdop have a go. Chase has been shocking for the best part of a year and a half now yet Brough who's been the best halve in the competition and arguably player in the first half a dozen or so games can't even get in a 40 man training squad.

Nobody has a fixation on Sinfield its just the halves which are the biggest issue which is why they keep being brought up.

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You can watch Widdops performances when the 3 were playing SOO he was the stand out player on the pitch in 2 of the games. Widdop must be doing something right to be holding down stand off at the best club side in the world. I will admit he was poor against Leeds though, but that was one game and he was rather consistent last season.

I don't think anyone has a fixation on Sinfield, people just realise he isn't good enough and when he gets picked constantly people are obviously going to comment. Yes Sinfield wasn't the reason we have been literally no where near the Aussies since 2004 but you can't argue with people saying he's played poorly against the Aussies. If he can't control a game against who he's played previous then he's going to struggle against his opposition halves and hookers who are being dubbed the best in their position of all time.

Widdop hasn't been tried at international level while Sinfield has. Therefore people want to see Widdop have a go. Chase has been shocking for the best part of a year and a half now yet Brough who's been the best halve in the competition and arguably player in the first half a dozen or so games can't even get in a 40 man training squad.

Nobody has a fixation on Sinfield its just the halves which are the biggest issue which is why they keep being brought up.

Many thanks for that as you saved me the trouble of trying to make that explanation and, far better than I could have done so myself.

The fixation aspect is, as you say, not even an issue and the reasoning you make is absolutely spot on, so thanks again. ;)

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