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Should the performance given by George Burgess V the Roosters, be what we will come to expect from him as the norm, then his name will very quickly have to be added to the certainties to represent England in the World cup in October.

To use superlatives such as 'devastating!' is not my usual way, but for a debut performance from a young forward I doubt that any other would be absolutely insufficient. He simply exploded into the game from the moment he came on until he finished his first stint and repeated the performance when re-introduced in the second half again

Brother Sam, although also showing up extremely well was overshadowed by his younger brother, but looked delighted to be so, especially following George's superb try scoring effort prior to half-time.

The much vaunted hype over S B Williams was to prove something of a damp squib compared to that of both Burgess brothers and maybe made one or two at the Roosters wish they too had looked over here at the Burgess clan before splashing their millions, on what could turn out to be a case of paying out too much for a player who will probably not be the very effective one he was before his jaunt with the other code?

I for one was not overly impressed with SBW. Ok he tackled well and to his credit, although plainly struggling with the pace of the game kept going, but as far as being the one to strike fear into the opposition, well in that department he quite simply looked streets behind George and Sam also.

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I've only seen George Burgess play twice, and yes - on both occasions - his running of the football was devastating. He has a different running style from Sam's - with a very high knee lift and genuine bursts of acceleration. One run and pass to a certain Greg Inglis running at full tilt in support was as good as anything in the game... Whether he has Sam's all-roung game remains to be seen.

I wonder if, as a junior, George was always seen as a hotter prospect than twin brother, Tom?

And I know it's on the wrong thread, but I want Tom Lineham in the England squad pretty sharpish as well.

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You are writing as if talent and form were a criteria for an England shirt.

We have McNamara as coach and non of those factors have any bearing on his selection ideas.

Chase and Sinfield for International half backs should tell you all you need to know about the England coach.

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I wonder if, as a junior, George was always seen as a hotter prospect than twin brother, Tom?

I remember one was regarded slightly higher than the other, but don't anyone assume it was George just because he went to the NRL first. Tom did well in his season and a half in the Odsal first team. Raw though.

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3 posts.Getting better.

I expect a new thread after each game he plays.

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I expect a new thread after each game he plays.

Bored of people banging on with the same old tired agendas.

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Bored of people banging on with the same old tired agendas.

Oh, the "S" word. I thought you meant the resurrection of Burgii.

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Bored of people banging on with the same old tired agendas.

I Agree with you, they're the boring ones...... Kevin is a legend of the game while some posters on here are bell-ends and jealous!!!

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Oh, the "S" word. I thought you meant the resurrection of Burgii.

Nah,the same old tired argument using the same easy targets.Tedious to the extreme.

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You are writing as if talent and form were a criteria for an England shirt.

We have McNamara as coach and non of those factors have any bearing on his selection ideas.

Chase and Sinfield for International half backs should tell you all you need to know about the England coach.

One of the drawbacks of the game's lack of international profile is that the national coach is never placed under the kind of scrutiny that befalls coaches from other sports. I wish we could read probing interviews with McNamara regarding his selection criteria - identification and selection being for me by far the coach's most important tasks.

In terms of preparation and trying to engender a happy atmosphere within the squad, McNamara seems to be exerting a positive influence - but, ultimately, he will be judged on player selection.

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I've only seen George Burgess play twice, and yes - on both occasions - his running of the football was devastating. He has a different running style from Sam's - with a very high knee lift and genuine bursts of acceleration. One run and pass to a certain Greg Inglis running at full tilt in support was as good as anything in the game... Whether he has Sam's all-roung game remains to be seen.

I wonder if, as a junior, George was always seen as a hotter prospect than twin brother, Tom?

And I know it's on the wrong thread, but I want Tom Lineham in the England squad pretty sharpish as well.

Pretty much my thoughts. But Mcnamara has picked his side years ago.

Lineham is outclassing Briscoe. Is Briscoes head turned by the NRL I really don't know. My idea for Englands side now is potentially to go for an absolutely huge pack and put Sinfield and Brough at the halves and try and dominate the Aussies down the middle. I'm afraid this would meaning potentially dropping Gareth Ellis and Chris Hill and going for the likes of the Burgess', Eorl Crabtree, Graham, Hock and Westwood.

But expect JJB, Wilkin and Ablett and co to be in the starting 17.

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Its a bit naive to think that the team is already picked. McNamara isn't stupid, he'l pick a mix of form and experience.

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I remember one was regarded slightly higher than the other, but don't anyone assume it was George just because he went to the NRL first. Tom did well in his season and a half in the Odsal first team. Raw though.

I watched both brothers play at academy level together several times. George was physically much bigger than Tom. Teams really struggled to deal with George's weight and size. He was a beast of a lad with a decent turn of pace and a great offload. I think that he is now maturing into a potentially great front rower. He would have to be in the England squad for mine if he repeats the performance he had against the Roosters and I expect that he will.

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Its a bit naive to think that the team is already picked. McNamara isn't stupid, he'l pick a mix of form and experience.

Aslong as they arnt injured 1 6 7 9 of Tomkins, Chase, Sinfield and Roby for sure. I'd put money on that.

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Aslong as they arnt injured 1 6 7 9 of Tomkins, Chase, Sinfield and Roby for sure. I'd put money on that.

Which doesn't mean George Burgess won't get in the squad

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I told my younger brother about this, to which he replied, 'Hey, I've tackled him!' Excellent to see a young British kid hit the ground running as he did.

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I have just finished watching the re-run of Souths v Roosters. Great display from him, the Roosters struggled to contain him.

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You are writing as if talent and form were a criteria for an England shirt.

We have McNamara as coach and non of those factors have any bearing on his selection ideas.

Chase and Sinfield for International half backs should tell you all you need to know about the England coach.

Absolutely spot on and I could not agree with your comments any more.

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Its a bit naive to think that the team is already picked. McNamara isn't stupid, he'l pick a mix of form and experience.

" You cannot be serious "!

Yes but and, I am sure even you would agree, that he is simply fixated on Sinfield and to only a slightly lesser degree upon Chase also. They will if fit be Englands halves and even should they prove to be under par it is very doubtful that either will be dropped, maybe he MacNamara, is not as you say naive, but he has proven to be pig-headed and as such firmly set in his way's.

Come what may his theory of a settled team and selection is a mantra he will determindly stay with, at least he will should his form so far be anything to go by.

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" You cannot be serious "!

Yes but and, I am sure even you would agree, that he is simply fixated on Sinfield and to only a slightly lesser degree upon Chase also. They will if fit be Englands halves and even should they prove to be under par it is very doubtful that either will be dropped, maybe he MacNamara, is not as you say naive, but he has proven to be pig-headed and as such firmly set in his way's.

Come what may his theory of a settled team and selection is a mantra he will determindly stay with, at least he will should his form so far be anything to go by.

Nearly as fixated as you ;)

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Nearly as fixated as you ;)

Not by half!! Yet seriously can't you see that my point has some merit to it and, more importantly do you disagree with the statement concentrated on Mac's fixation, being correct?

I would be the very first to agree with Sinfield as an 'icon' in S/L he is, but I would probably be ahead of the crowd in denying that he comes anywhere close to that on a world scene. I am not being picky over this simply letting the evidence of many a game in which much emphasis has been laid upon KS's being the great player he supposedly is, only to see him once again not rise to the occasion V the Aussies or the Kiwi's, in fact, in most internationals he has played outside of those V European nations.

I do agree that all of his rep matches V S/Hemi sides have not been ignominious failures but those that have'nt are few and far between.

With Chase the anomaly is even larger, even V France and Wales his performances have left much to desire and yet Mac is and, I use the word meaningfully, FIXATED or so it seems, on this player come what may.

I want England to win the W/Cup in October and for that reason the best we have available should be selected in my opinion. Kevin has had too many chances to prove himself as the fulcrum he is at Leeds, for England and previously G/B, he has not done that and consequently my belief is that he is not the player that the entire operation should be centered upon. A different approach is

required, yet Mac is fixated quite obviously upon an Chase/Sinfield half-back combination, even though it has been proven to be at best disfuctional and most evidently not up to the standard required.

We have a good squad to choose from, forwards whom it is plainly obvious could this time prove to be the best around, our threequarters, though not at the same standard are at least competetive, so we need halves who can at least place some doubt within the opposition by adding something of a challenge, sorry if you believe that I am so fixated on this theme but I do not believe that Sinfield and Chase together, offer anything approaching that description.

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Im happy with sinfield n chase at halfs n think the more they play together the better they will become, we cant just change the halfs every other game. Im more concerned with Ablett Wilkin n JJB been in the squad.

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Not by half!! Yet seriously can't you see that my point has some merit to it and, more importantly do you disagree with the statement concentrated on Mac's fixation, being correct?

I would be the very first to agree with Sinfield as an 'icon' in S/L he is, but I would probably be ahead of the crowd in denying that he comes anywhere close to that on a world scene. I am not being picky over this simply letting the evidence of many a game in which much emphasis has been laid upon KS's being the great player he supposedly is, only to see him once again not rise to the occasion V the Aussies or the Kiwi's, in fact, in most internationals he has played outside of those V European nations.

I do agree that all of his rep matches V S/Hemi sides have not been ignominious failures but those that have'nt are few and far between.

With Chase the anomaly is even larger, even V France and Wales his performances have left much to desire and yet Mac is and, I use the word meaningfully, FIXATED or so it seems, on this player come what may.

I want England to win the W/Cup in October and for that reason the best we have available should be selected in my opinion. Kevin has had too many chances to prove himself as the fulcrum he is at Leeds, for England and previously G/B, he has not done that and consequently my belief is that he is not the player that the entire operation should be centered upon. A different approach is

required, yet Mac is fixated quite obviously upon an Chase/Sinfield half-back combination, even though it has been proven to be at best disfuctional and most evidently not up to the standard required.

We have a good squad to choose from, forwards whom it is plainly obvious could this time prove to be the best around, our threequarters, though not at the same standard are at least competetive, so we need halves who can at least place some doubt within the opposition by adding something of a challenge, sorry if you believe that I am so fixated on this theme but I do not believe that Sinfield and Chase together, offer anything approaching that description.

To be quite honest,I'm bored of the "who should be halfback" argument.

It's more about the mindset of the English players beating the Aussies.Not asking them to sign players boots after games.Having a "hatred" of the Aussies,a determination to beat them and beat them convincingly.

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Tomkins

Hall

Cudjoe

Atkins

Charnley

Widdop

Brough

Graham

Roby

Hill

Westwood

S Burgess

O'Loghlin

Lomax

Hock

G Burgess

Crabtree

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