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Terry Mullaney

Two tier SL on the way

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Warrington CEO, Andy Gatecliffe, believes there is a way of pleasing clubs both at the top and bottom of SL. A move to a two tier SL - one with an increased cap of £2m and another with a £1.2m spending limit, with promotion and relegation between the two. He believes such a system is definitely on the agenda from 2015 onwards.

"I would like that and think it could work as long as you make it so promotion is achievable so its not such a massive step up"

That would certainly breathe some life into the sport and add a great deal of excitement.

Above comments from Gatecliffe taken from today's League Weekly.

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Warrington CEO, Andy Gatecliffe, believes there is a way of pleasing clubs both at the top and bottom of SL. A move to a two tier SL - one with an increased cap of £2m and another with a £1.2m spending limit, with promotion and relegation between the two. He believes such a system is definitely on the agenda from 2015 onwards.

"I would like that and think it could work as long as you make it so promotion is achievable so its not such a massive step up"

That would certainly breathe some life into the sport and add a great deal of excitement.

Above comments from Gatecliffe taken from today's League Weekly.

If feasible financially (and I remain to be convinced that the cash is there either at the clubs or Sky to finance this) it would be easily the best option, with a yearly licensed 'election' from whichever tier is below - top 1 or 2 apply if they meet criteria, not necessarily to replace a failing club in SL2

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Would the ten SL1 clubs really allow £4.8m? to go out of there league?

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Again, another case of the "haves" dictating the ways and means of the game. I wonder if Gatcliffe would have been so supportive of a two-tier system 10 years ago when the Wire weren't near the top of the tree*. Everyone will be up for it, providing they are in the top Super League.

(*assuming Gatcliffe was at Warrington back then, I don't know but I do know TRLers would be quick to point it out if he wasn't)

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But won't the gap in funding just make it the same few teams up and down each year? After all if the two teams promoted can pay the higher cap, why aren't they there in the first place? I reckon it would add variety by diluting the bottom yo-yo teams who can't quite compete with the full cap over and over again. Unless I'm missing something...!

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But won't the gap in funding just make it the same few teams up and down each year? After all if the two teams promoted can pay the higher cap, why aren't they there in the first place? I reckon it would add variety by diluting the bottom yo-yo teams who can't quite compete with the full cap over and over again. Unless I'm missing something...!

My thoughts exactly.It will be back to the old days.£800,000 is a lot of money to find for most clubs.

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Maybe it would but untill something different is done we will never know, u never know someone like a Leeds or saints culd av a poor year and get relegated

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Gatcliffe is out of order, Warrington are in a healthy position (on and off the field ) and he has no right to make a suggestion.

FFS - all the clubs are taking about it, not just Gatcliffe, they'll have a chance to vote!!!!!!

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Maybe it would but untill something different is done we will never know, u never know someone like a Leeds or saints culd av a poor year and get relegated

Clubs like Leeds and Saints will have that money if they do get relegated and then promoted,could the same be said of other clubs?

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Clubs like Leeds and Saints will have that money if they do get relegated and then promoted,could the same be said of other clubs?

maybe not but at the moment the poor clubs are just plodding along at the bottom of superleague at least with a division below they will find there right level

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Although I'm being selfish because I wuld want fev to be in super league 2, but it could also be a good idea

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Gatcliffe is out of order, Warrington are in a healthy position (on and off the field ) and he has no right to make a suggestion.

FFS - all the clubs are taking about it, not just Gatcliffe, they'll have a chance to vote!!!!!!

I was trying to generalise the best I could, whilst using the example of Gatcliffe provided. I've no doubt McMannus will also raise the issue in agreement a days from now. And now we can add Koukash, except he'd want to be in the top tier. Go back 6 months and this would be unthinkable. And I don't even know where my team would fit, we're not rich but (without unearthing old feelings) hopefully on a keel of self sufficiency from now.

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What's the point of having a 2 tier super league? everyone will just regard the second tier as division 2......so why not cut BS, call a spade-a-spade etc and call for a reduction in the no. of clubs in super league

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What's the point of having a 2 tier super league? everyone will just regard the second tier as division 2......so why not cut BS, call a spade-a-spade etc and call for a reduction in the no. of clubs in super league

I can see why, to bridge the gap between the two competitions.

That's my perfect world theory anyway.

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Although I'm being selfish because I wuld want fev to be in super league 2, but it could also be a good idea

So after all their efforts Fev would still not be in the top teer.

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I can see why, to bridge the gap between the two competitions.

That's my perfect world theory anyway.

oh right, sort of like the way a division 2 bridges the gap between division 1 and 3 then?

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So after all their efforts Fev would still not be in the top teer.

At least their chance of promotion would be in their own hands not the RFL's.

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I was trying to generalise the best I could, whilst using the example of Gatcliffe provided. I've no doubt McMannus will also raise the issue in agreement a days from now. And now we can add Koukash, except he'd want to be in the top tier. Go back 6 months and this would be unthinkable. And I don't even know where my team would fit, we're not rich but (without unearthing old feelings) hopefully on a keel of self sufficiency from now.

IIRC this was discussed 6 months ago, just after the Bulls issues.... No Dig ( I Promise you, I'm changed in attitude towards you guys)

Our biggest problem we have no ff-ing sponsors, our game is a joke at present with some fantastic clubs and wonderful players for once.

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Would it be crazy for p&R between SL2 and the championship? 1 straight up and down then a playoff with the second lowest team in SL2 joining 2-5 in the championship, like what used to be with NL1 and NL2.

As I think most people reckon Featherstone could give challenge, if not beat, some of the lower SL teams. And if a championship can beat the SL2 team in the playoffs then surely they can compete if they were to be promoted?

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I would prefer a 12 team SL and a 12 team SL2, with the second tier getting perhaps half of SL funding. This will mean the second tier cannot be totally full time player wise (some full time, some part time players) but could at least operate full time behind the scenes. This is key.

However I do think that part of the funding should be partitioned for a full time academy and backroom staff/marketing in SL2 so clubs dont spend all their cash on first team players. Therefore promoted teams can dip into their fill time youth easily

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oh right, sort of like the way a division 2 bridges the gap between division 1 and 3 then?

Yeh I guess so. But all this is mainly about is for the top teams to i) get more money, and ii) get rid of the poor teams and take their best players they can no longer afford.

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IIRC this was discussed 6 months ago, just after the Bulls issues.... No Dig ( I Promise you, I'm changed in attitude towards you guys)

Our biggest problem we have no ff-ing sponsors, our game is a joke at present with some fantastic clubs and wonderful players for once.

Yeah I remember it too, the top sides all had a say. My point is though, 10 years ago Wire wouldn't be in, 5 years ago Catalan and Widnes wouldn't be in, 1 year ago Salford wouldn't be in. Times change, situations change and it's only those at the top at this moment in tarm who get to really makes those decisions.

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So after all their efforts Fev would still not be in the top teer.

yes but they culd then get promoted to the top league

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