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Falklands sovreignty referendum - shock result

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Three people actually voted no! :O

http://www.guardian....endum-votes-yes

Hello all,

I got back from my six month tour on Sunday morning. The Falklands is a fantastic place as is South Georgia, which I was lucky enough to visit for 48hrs whilst on a South Atlantic patrol on HMS CLYDE. Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

I was lucky enough to have a very close working relationship with Government House and the Falkland Islands Government throughout my tour, especially in the lead-up to the Referendum itself. There was quite a large media presence on the Islands from all over the world (more than usual as many South American journalists visit) and observers from around the world. Despite Argentina and other South American countries (publically anyway!) not actually listening to the result, the Islanders were massively happy with the result and passed even their expectations. The 'no' votes weren't actually in favour of coming under Argentine rule, it was in favour of independence! They must have been descendents of Scots! :)

Anyway, if you ever get chance to visit the Falklands or South Georgia via a cruise in the South Atlantic, you must do so... amazing places!

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Hello all,

I got back from my six month tour on Sunday morning. The Falklands is a fantastic place as is South Georgia, which I was lucky enough to visit for 48hrs whilst on a South Atlantic patrol on HMS CLYDE. Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

I was lucky enough to have a very close working relationship with Government House and the Falkland Islands Government throughout my tour, especially in the lead-up to the Referendum itself. There was quite a large media presence on the Islands from all over the world (more than usual as many South American journalists visit) and observers from around the world. Despite Argentina and other South American countries (publically anyway!) not actually listening to the result, the Islanders were massively happy with the result and passed even their expectations. The 'no' votes weren't actually in favour of coming under Argentine rule, it was in favour of independence! They must have been descendents of Scots! :)

Anyway, if you ever get chance to visit the Falklands or South Georgia via a cruise in the South Atlantic, you must do so... amazing places!

Welcome back!

Now, what did you get me?

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There was a piece on the radio a few days after which highlighted the three no votes - the phone-in/text-in that followed revealed some shocking views from the British public: I can't remember if one view was that the three should be flogged after the brave servicemen had given their lives to liberate the islands, but it was something like that. No one seemed to consider that the three (and the abstainers) might have had valid reasons. IIRC one islander said before the vote that he would vote no because he wanted a different status from the current one that was being voted on.

One thing that did interest me was the wording of the referendum question:-

Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO

Hmm, something tells me that they didn't seek the advice of the Electoral Commission on that one. :rolleyes:

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Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

Also, I lived in the UK 50 to 60 years ago, and it was nothing like the Falklands. No penguins (not deep within the Manchester conurbation, anyway), the entire population of Port Stanley could probably have fit into my street, and the widlife consisted of sparrows and roaming packs of dogs.

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Also, I lived in the UK 50 to 60 years ago, and it was nothing like the Falklands. No penguins (not deep within the Manchester conurbation, anyway), the entire population of Port Stanley could probably have fit into my street, and the widlife consisted of sparrows and roaming packs of dogs.

Even the sparrows have gone now.

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Hello all,

I got back from my six month tour on Sunday morning. The Falklands is a fantastic place as is South Georgia, which I was lucky enough to visit for 48hrs whilst on a South Atlantic patrol on HMS CLYDE. Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

I was lucky enough to have a very close working relationship with Government House and the Falkland Islands Government throughout my tour, especially in the lead-up to the Referendum itself. There was quite a large media presence on the Islands from all over the world (more than usual as many South American journalists visit) and observers from around the world. Despite Argentina and other South American countries (publically anyway!) not actually listening to the result, the Islanders were massively happy with the result and passed even their expectations. The 'no' votes weren't actually in favour of coming under Argentine rule, it was in favour of independence! They must have been descendents of Scots! :)

Anyway, if you ever get chance to visit the Falklands or South Georgia via a cruise in the South Atlantic, you must do so... amazing places!

Thanks for the cracking pix you sent us for the 'Around the World ' feature in Rugby League World!

Several penguins have signed up for subscriptions already. :)

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Even the sparrows have gone now.

Someone I know grew up in inner-city Manchester, and the only birds she ever saw were sparrows and pigeons. When she was very young she just assumed, quite reasonably, that sparrows were baby pigeons. Presumably, all the sparrows have grown up.

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Welcome back!

Now, what did you get me?

Thanks - a framed picture of me and penguins if you look in RL World (and buy your own frame!)... :)

There was a piece on the radio a few days after which highlighted the three no votes - the phone-in/text-in that followed revealed some shocking views from the British public: I can't remember if one view was that the three should be flogged after the brave servicemen had given their lives to liberate the islands, but it was something like that. No one seemed to consider that the three (and the abstainers) might have had valid reasons. IIRC one islander said before the vote that he would vote no because he wanted a different status from the current one that was being voted on.

One thing that did interest me was the wording of the referendum question:-

Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO

Hmm, something tells me that they didn't seek the advice of the Electoral Commission on that one. :rolleyes:

The Island ethnicity is fairly mixed with British, Argentine, Chilean, St Helena, Russian, French descendents all living so it is not surprising there were 3 x 'no' votes. Interestingly, I know all the Argentine descendents voted 'yes', which is a sad inditement of that crazy lunatic De Kirchner. It is a shame about the those views expressed on the phone-in. The Islands were liberated but if 'Self-Determination' is what the British Government (and UN) are pushing, then some of our own population need to understand the principle too...

Thanks for the cracking pix you sent us for the 'Around the World ' feature in Rugby League World!

Several penguins have signed up for subscriptions already. :)

Glad to hear the penguins are signing up in numbers. Want a picture from Grtviyken in South Georgia too or am I being greedy?! :D

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Hello all,

I got back from my six month tour on Sunday morning. The Falklands is a fantastic place as is South Georgia, which I was lucky enough to visit for 48hrs whilst on a South Atlantic patrol on HMS CLYDE. Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

I was lucky enough to have a very close working relationship with Government House and the Falkland Islands Government throughout my tour, especially in the lead-up to the Referendum itself. There was quite a large media presence on the Islands from all over the world (more than usual as many South American journalists visit) and observers from around the world. Despite Argentina and other South American countries (publically anyway!) not actually listening to the result, the Islanders were massively happy with the result and passed even their expectations. The 'no' votes weren't actually in favour of coming under Argentine rule, it was in favour of independence! They must have been descendents of Scots! :)

Anyway, if you ever get chance to visit the Falklands or South Georgia via a cruise in the South Atlantic, you must do so... amazing places!

good to have you back mate.

What's it like on a river class OPV?

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good to have you back mate.

What's it like on a river class OPV?

Thanks - buggering off on Saturday for a month's leave in Nepal so not back for too long! I'll be posted to London in May so that will be a big change from South Wales and the South Atlantic...

As for CLYDE, well, it was certainly an experience. The ship itself was fairly comfortable and has much more room than the standard any other type of naval vessel according to the crew. However, I am not sure it is designed for a Southern Ocean trip. It was bloody rocky at times and pretty awful when the Ocean was rough, which was nearly everyday. There was plenty of swearing on my behalf as it was my first time at sea so spent much of it sliding around all over the place. I never threw up though, unlike the boss! Ice watch in the middle of the night was pretty epic and daunting considering the search lights weren't amazing (NVGs required) but overall it was a great experience.

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Also, I lived in the UK 50 to 60 years ago, and it was nothing like the Falklands. No penguins (not deep within the Manchester conurbation, anyway), the entire population of Port Stanley could probably have fit into my street, and the widlife consisted of sparrows and roaming packs of dogs.

Really? Not even in Belle Vue zoo?

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Thanks - buggering off on Saturday for a month's leave in Nepal so not back for too long! I'll be posted to London in May so that will be a big change from South Wales and the South Atlantic...

As for CLYDE, well, it was certainly an experience. The ship itself was fairly comfortable and has much more room than the standard any other type of naval vessel according to the crew. However, I am not sure it is designed for a Southern Ocean trip. It was bloody rocky at times and pretty awful when the Ocean was rough, which was nearly everyday. There was plenty of swearing on my behalf as it was my first time at sea so spent much of it sliding around all over the place. I never threw up though, unlike the boss! Ice watch in the middle of the night was pretty epic and daunting considering the search lights weren't amazing (NVGs required) but overall it was a great experience.

Thanks mate

OPV= Ocean Patrol Vessel, so they should b up for it and they are very modern. I think the Southern Ocean would put any ship to the test.

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Hello all,

I got back from my six month tour on Sunday morning. The Falklands is a fantastic place as is South Georgia, which I was lucky enough to visit for 48hrs whilst on a South Atlantic patrol on HMS CLYDE. Both Islands are extradionary places to see wildlife and the population of the Falklands are friendly, I am guessing what the UK must have been like 50/60yrs ago.

I was lucky enough to have a very close working relationship with Government House and the Falkland Islands Government throughout my tour, especially in the lead-up to the Referendum itself. There was quite a large media presence on the Islands from all over the world (more than usual as many South American journalists visit) and observers from around the world. Despite Argentina and other South American countries (publically anyway!) not actually listening to the result, the Islanders were massively happy with the result and passed even their expectations. The 'no' votes weren't actually in favour of coming under Argentine rule, it was in favour of independence! They must have been descendents of Scots! :)

Anyway, if you ever get chance to visit the Falklands or South Georgia via a cruise in the South Atlantic, you must do so... amazing places!

Welcome back and quite an experience.

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And I bet, true to form, he went out in just a t-shirt whatever the weather.

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Really? Not even in Belle Vue zoo?

Belle Vue? I wasn't deep within the Manchester conurbation. There were a few nuns about but, as with the packs of free range dogs, you tended to keep your distance.

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Thanks for the cracking pix you sent us for the 'Around the World ' feature in Rugby League World!

Several penguins have signed up for subscriptions already. :)

were they "Mighty Penguins"? I still wear my Mighty Penguin fleece with..er...er... pride.

A recent conversation with a mate of mine, a real firebrand Labour type, not a moderate MOR softie like me, we agreed on one thing. If the Argies had played it cool over the Falklands in the years coming up to 1982, the Falklands would have been now been in Argentinian hands and 649 people would not have lost their lives. The Foreign Office or suchlike was signalling that it wasn't too bothered, people here knew little of the Falklands (and probably cared even less) so a diplomatic solution involving bribed resettlement etc might have resulted, especially considering the historic relationship we had with the Argentine.

All that stopped, though, the moment the Argies got impatient and tried to snatch them without saying "please".

The instant reaction was....oi! You can't do that.... We are BRITISH and the Falklands in OURS so ###### off! No, you can't have them back! True we were not that bothered but now that you want them, you can't have them!!

What a wasted opportunity to forge an alliance with an old friend. Still, that's what we do. Make enemies of them. All because of Fray Bentos tinned steak pies...oh, no, sorry , that was Uruguay.

Argentina in the Victorian age was part of the United Kingdom's informal empire, an independent nation that Britain had economic influence in, that was outside the British Empire.[3] However the position of English Argentines was complicated when their economic influence was finally eroded by Juan Perón's nationalisation of many British-owned companies in the 1940s and, more recently, by the Falklands War in 1982. Famous Argentines such as Presidents of ArgentinaRaúl Alfonsín and Carlos Pellegrini, adventurer Lucas Bridges, Huracan football club president Carlos Babington and writer Jorge Luis Borges are partially of English descent.

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Thanks mate

OPV= Ocean Patrol Vessel, so they should b up for it and they are very modern. I think the Southern Ocean would put any ship to the test.

It might have been better if the 'stabiliser' system had been working... that said, the Commander of the vessel and his crew definitely were of the impression that the ship wasn't really suitable for the Southern Ocean.

How many people voted 'yes'?

1513

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Strategically, the British Government would have made a huge error if they had allowed the Falklands and SGSSI areas to come under Argentine control. Not only are there vast energy resources around the Islands, they are also our only gateway to Antartica, which will no doubt be the next area for exploration.

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And now we have to watch the Pope & see what side of the coin he comes down on.

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And now we have to watch the Pope & see what side of the coin he comes down on.

Kircher and the Pope did not tick along well when he was a Bishop or a Cardinal. She had to try and cash in on the patriotism of an Argentinian Pope and this was about the only area where she had a chance of aligning herself with him. I do not believe the Pope will come down on the issue at all.

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Kircher and the Pope did not tick along well when he was a Bishop or a Cardinal. She had to try and cash in on the patriotism of an Argentinian Pope and this was about the only area where she had a chance of aligning herself with him. I do not believe the Pope will come down on the issue at all.

I'm not sure about the Pope, but it's the American president I'd be more worried about.

The Americans seem to keep asking us to negotiate with Argentina when there is clearly nothing to negotiate about.

Obama, incidentally, seemed to think the Falklands were called the Maldives at one point.

We have held the Falklands since 1833, and at that time I believe Texas was part of Mexico. Maybe we should remind them of that if and when the Mexicans stake their claim to the Lone Star State.

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I know it's only the Mirror so unlikely to be true but...

Pope Francis has been a vocal and passionate supporter of his country’s claim on the Falkland Islands, known as Las Malvinas to Argentinians. In April last year, at a memorial mass in Buenos Aires 30 years on from the Falklands conflict, he said: “We come to pray for all who have fallen, sons of the homeland who went out to defend their mother, the homeland, and to reclaim what is theirs, that is of the homeland, and it was usurped.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pope-francis-hard-line-falkland-1762205

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And now we have to watch the Pope & see what side of the coin he comes down on.

Unless the Vatican has access to a fair-sized task force, I'd say the his opinion isn't that relevant,

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