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Jimmy Savile

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They did nothing because of who he was. When you think about Shipman who got away with murder for years - even though there had been a complaint to the police - you have to wonder about our country.

You can't be a child molester/rapist if you're a huge TV star - you can't be a murderer if you're a respected member of the community like a doctor. How many more people are there getting away with stuff? In the original trial the judge believed Archer not the prostitute he'd been with, it was only when Archer decided he wanted to be mayor of London and a witness came forward in order to stop him that he was found out. It seems to me that if you're rich/famous/a pillar of the community you can get away with anything.

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T'was ever thus

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It seems to me that if you're rich/famous/a pillar of the community you can get away with anything.

Do you follow the news?

Heard of Chris Huhne?

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I pass an unfortunately scary street in Clifton near Brighouse; Savile Close.

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Do you follow the news?

Heard of Chris Huhne?

I think this is slighly different, according to the papers about .5m people per year do what Huhne did and get away with it.

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I think this is slighly different, according to the papers about .5m people per year do what Huhne did and get away with it.

Has the precedent been set now? I am sure out over stretched Police will be expected to investigate every attempt by drivers to sell/swap points.

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Has the precedent been set now? I am sure out over stretched Police will be expected to investigate every attempt by drivers to sell/swap points.

I imagine they were already expected to...

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It seems to me that if you're rich/famous/a pillar of the community you can get away with anything.

Or a leader of the Socialist Workers Party.

People with power and influence often abuse that power and influence. A Cardinal that covered up sex abuse amongst the clergy in the United States is currently choosing the next Pope.

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I imagine they were already expected to...

But why aren't they out catching real criminals? Eh?

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A more interesting thread might be those in power and influence etc that have ended up in jail consequent to the legal system..

from parliament...

Jeffrey Archer

Chris Huhne

Lord Brocket

Jonathan Aitken

Elliot Morley

Eric Illsley

David Chaytor (last 3 politicians from the expenses scandal)

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Or a leader of the Socialist Workers Party.

People with power and influence often abuse that power and influence. A Cardinal that covered up sex abuse amongst the clergy in the United States is currently choosing the next Pope.

I would hardly describe the leader ot the Socialist Workers Party has having power and influence. All the parties of the far left remind me ot the Popular Front for a Free Palestine/Palenstinian Popular Front etc in Life of Brian. They all want roughly the same thing and they all hate one another.

The point is that Savile, Shipman and Archer for that matter got away with it for years. Someone knew but nobody cared. In the case of Shipman, he was only caught when he tried to forge the will of one of his victims. A prime example of how our society prioritises property over life IMO.

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I think there are 2 issues here.

Sex crimes have always been difficult to deal with and attitudes up to possibly as late 2000, made it worse. The first to complain was told to go home and get on with life. In the 80s rape was considered to be the fault of th woman because of the way she dressed. The % of claims making it to court remains small regardless of how well known the perp is. Then % of convictions of those remains even lower.

The status of celebs/famous for being famous is on the wane now. Look at the number of high profile or household names that have been arrested recently.

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But the police didn't 'know' did they? Someone made an accusation that should have been followed up but it was probably weighed up and thought better of it. Times were different and even up until very recently most people (including me tbh) would have thought Saville as nothing more than a bit of an eccentric who did a lot of work for charity. We know different now but anything is easy with hindsight. I bet those celebrities thought they were fireproof - they don't now.

Put it this way, had you gone into the Queens Hotel when Savilles body was 'lying in state' and declared he was a sexual pervert and paedophile, chances are you would have been lynched by a mob. Not the 'establishment' either, ordinary people who were fooled by his act and thought of him as some sort of saint.

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I would hardly describe the leader ot the Socialist Workers Party has having power and influence. All the parties of the far left remind me ot the Popular Front for a Free Palestine/Palenstinian Popular Front etc in Life of Brian. They all want roughly the same thing and they all hate one another.

The point is that Savile, Shipman and Archer for that matter got away with it for years. Someone knew but nobody cared. In the case of Shipman, he was only caught when he tried to forge the will of one of his victims. A prime example of how our society prioritises property over life IMO.

Gerry Healy, the former leader of the Workers Revolutionary Party, was a sexual predator for years. And of course all power is relative. Within that organisation he had very great power, and seemed able to mesmerise people like Vanessa and Corin Redgrave and many other gullible people.

Your last sentence doesn't really follow your penultimate one. I would say the Shipman example is a prime example of how our society puts its trust in certain people who should be trustworthy because of their apparent expertise. And that is fairly natural. If you mistrust everyone you'll lead a fairly miserable life.

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In the original trial the judge believed Archer not the prostitute he'd been with, it was only when Archer decided he wanted to be mayor of London and a witness came forward in order to stop him that he was found out.

Archer is an interesting one. I was on trial in the high court the week after (joined a competitor company).

All the talk was of the judge falling in love with his wife. The fragrant Mary won it for him!

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Gerry Healy, the former leader of the Workers Revolutionary Party, was a sexual predator for years. And of course all power is relative. Within that organisation he had very great power, and seemed able to mesmerise people like Vanessa and Corin Redgrave and many other gullible people.

Your last sentence doesn't really follow your penultimate one. I would say the Shipman example is a prime example of how our society puts its trust in certain people who should be trustworthy because of their apparent expertise. And that is fairly natural. If you mistrust everyone you'll lead a fairly miserable life.

But Shipman was reported to the police and they didn't investigate (or at least not thoroughly) He was caught because he tried to fiddle an old lady's will. He'd killed hundreds with impunity prior to that. As soon as property came into it the law got him. As I said that's the UK 's priorities for you.

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But Shipman was reported to the police and they didn't investigate (or at least not thoroughly) He was caught because he tried to fiddle an old lady's will. He'd killed hundreds with impunity prior to that. As soon as property came into it the law got him. As I said that's the UK 's priorities for you.

So if someone reports their doctor/nurse whatever as a murderer or sex offender, plod are going to arrive and throw them in chokey straight away? Perhaps Shipman was well trusted and it was pretty much unbelievable? As MS says, we can't go through life believing the worst about everyone all the time, and that has nothing to do with the UK priorities, it's a matter of practicality.

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But the police didn't 'know' did they? Someone made an accusation that should have been followed up but it was probably weighed up and thought better of it. Times were different and even up until very recently most people (including me tbh) would have thought Saville as nothing more than a bit of an eccentric who did a lot of work for charity. We know different now but anything is easy with hindsight. I bet those celebrities thought they were fireproof - they don't now.

Put it this way, had you gone into the Queens Hotel when Savilles body was 'lying in state' and declared he was a sexual pervert and paedophile, chances are you would have been lynched by a mob. Not the 'establishment' either, ordinary people who were fooled by his act and thought of him as some sort of saint.

I may have mentioned it before but in 1990 I ran the inaugural Great South Run and for about 5 miles was about 100m ahead of Jimmy Saville, all I could hear on the way round were delighted shouts of encouragement and approval for him. Do not forget he was a national treasure, hugely loved and respected and accepted for his "eccentricities" and any stories about darker stuff were ignored, disbelieved or dismissed as jealous and petty rantings by people with nothing better to do.

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I may have mentioned it before but in 1990 I ran the inaugural Great South Run and for about 5 miles was about 100m ahead of Jimmy Saville, all I could hear on the way round were delighted shouts of encouragement and approval for him. Do not forget he was a national treasure, hugely loved and respected and accepted for his "eccentricities" and any stories about darker stuff were ignored, disbelieved or dismissed as jealous and petty rantings by people with nothing better to do.

You've raised an interesting question

How old were you both and after five miles is that when he passed you?.

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You've raised an interesting question

How old were you both and after five miles is that when he passed you?.

I was 31, no idea how old he was. Just checked T'internet. Born 1926, that would have made him 64 / 65 ish?

He started in the Celeb's bit right at the front, I caught him after 3 miles and by 8 Miles I was actually a lot more than 100m ahead, that said I could still hear the Southampton residents making their approval of JS known.

I was NOT struggling to run faster than an OAP I'll have you know :P

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I was 31, no idea how old he was. Just checked T'internet. Born 1926, that would have made him 64 / 65 ish?

He started in the Celeb's bit right at the front, I caught him after 3 miles and by 8 Miles I was actually a lot more than 100m ahead, that said I could still hear the Southampton residents making their approval of JS known.

I was NOT struggling to run faster than an OAP I'll have you know :P

You might now, you old git! :D

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A mate of mine swears blind he was ahead of Saville in a marathon yet when he finished he was already there smoking a cigar. He insists he must have got a lift or something.

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Kiddy fiddling is all well and good, but cheating in a race is just not cricket!

:lol:

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I think this is slighly different, according to the papers about .5m people per year do what Huhne did and get away with it.

That's probably because the people involved don't blab to the police/press/anybody else about it

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