Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

boxhead

Matthew Johns: Sorry bro, but Johnathan Thurston will be better than you

46 posts in this topic

I am old enough to have seen Murphy in his prime and he was the best I ever saw.He had blinding pace, a mesmerishing sidestep, a great reader of the game whereby he know when to pass. When many of those skills deteriorated with age, he became a creator in chief. he could kick for touch and drop goals became his speciality. He took an average Leigh team to a Wembley win late in his career and, just to prove it was no fluke, he moved to Warrington and transformed them into winners, all this in the twilight of his career.

In his international hay day he terrified the Aussies. I remember watching him pick the ball up 60 yards from the australian line in Australia and from the base of the scrum beat every Australian to score.

As for the point that he cannot be compared to todays players I will say he played in an era of the 5 yards back from the play the ball. He played in an era when designated head hunters routinely stiff armed half backs with little retribution from the ref. In my opinion, if he was at his prime today, he would absolutly destroy modern defences with the extra 5 yards in which to attack.

Murphy was the best half back I ever saw.

I hear what you are saying but the Athletes of today are a different breed than 40 years ago.

Some of those players may have benefited from today's methods and have been better again than what they were but not all would.

One of my favorite players was Brett Kenny, he was one of the best in his day, would he be the same in today's game? maybe, would he benefit from today's Gym work and routines? probably not.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't be silly. You have the NRL balance just perfect in what you post - stuff that is of genuine interest to all fans of the game, without delving too deep into the game over there and you provide some great debate.

I don't agree with a lot of what you post in terms of content - it's too Aussie biased (as evidenced by this thread listing only great Aussie half-backs) and ignorant of the game and history here, but it still makes for great discussion for a forum.

Cheers, I can only post on what I know best but I appreciate the sentiment,

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I enjoy reading your posts and would miss them. Please carry on...

Thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If I want to read threads about the NRL I'll go to the NRL forum. If no one uses the NRL forum that's not my problem.

Feel free, just as long as they are relevant to the forum you post in

That's entirely up to you.

Cheers Mate, I must have upset you along the way, it was not personal.

I might pull my thoughts in though anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fishing for compliments is the oldest trick in the book.

Well spotted, you're really good at that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fishing for compliments is the oldest trick in the book.

Why am I fishing for anything?

I never expect much other than some stick to be honest.

No offence to the others but I do not need any sort of acceptance from anyone, I have never had it before in any shape or form and that has not stopped me posting my thoughts has it?

Its a strange post from you Deluded in context to what you have messaged me previously.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gregory was a wonderful player, who would be a wonderful player in any era. He did just fine in the Winfield Cup, helping Illawarra to their first final iirc. One thing that always amazed me about him was that he could only pass one way over distance and would have to turn around to make sure he could get into position. You couldn't buy his genius for putting players through gaps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The game has moved on so much though and different eras can not be compared in a fair way.

The days when players were part time and each body type had a certain spot in a team are not recognizable nowadays.

Best ever call in this article is just a media seller but Thurston is the best in recent times.

Remember Andy Gregory? would he be up there in this day and age? His skill set and more so his body type and athleticism would see him not be near any first grade team in 2013

Gregory had a very similar body shape to Wally Lewis would he not make it in today's game. There are also loads of Current NRL players with Gregory's body shape how come they've made it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gregory was a wonderful player, who would be a wonderful player in any era. He did just fine in the Winfield Cup, helping Illawarra to their first final iirc. One thing that always amazed me about him was that he could only pass one way over distance and would have to turn around to make sure he could get into position. You couldn't buy his genius for putting players through gaps.

Unfortunately in 1989 when Gregory played for Illawarra they came last in the Comp 16th from 16 teams, Andy only played in nine of those games where they won 1, drew one and lost seven.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am old enough to have seen Murphy in his prime and he was the best I ever saw.He had blinding pace, a mesmerishing sidestep, a great reader of the game whereby he know when to pass. When many of those skills deteriorated with age, he became a creator in chief. he could kick for touch and drop goals became his speciality. He took an average Leigh team to a Wembley win late in his career and, just to prove it was no fluke, he moved to Warrington and transformed them into winners, all this in the twilight of his career.

In his international hay day he terrified the Aussies. I remember watching him pick the ball up 60 yards from the australian line in Australia and from the base of the scrum beat every Australian to score.

As for the point that he cannot be compared to todays players I will say he played in an era of the 5 yards back from the play the ball. He played in an era when designated head hunters routinely stiff armed half backs with little retribution from the ref. In my opinion, if he was at his prime today, he would absolutly destroy modern defences with the extra 5 yards in which to attack.

Murphy was the best half back I ever saw.

I am old enough to have seen Murphy in his prime and he was the best I ever saw.He had blinding pace, a mesmerishing sidestep, a great reader of the game whereby he know when to pass. When many of those skills deteriorated with age, he became a creator in chief. he could kick for touch and drop goals became his speciality. He took an average Leigh team to a Wembley win late in his career and, just to prove it was no fluke, he moved to Warrington and transformed them into winners, all this in the twilight of his career.

In his international hay day he terrified the Aussies. I remember watching him pick the ball up 60 yards from the australian line in Australia and from the base of the scrum beat every Australian to score.

As for the point that he cannot be compared to todays players I will say he played in an era of the 5 yards back from the play the ball. He played in an era when designated head hunters routinely stiff armed half backs with little retribution from the ref. In my opinion, if he was at his prime today, he would absolutly destroy modern defences with the extra 5 yards in which to attack.

Murphy was the best half back I ever saw.

I agree,Roger Millward did a lot of damage to the the Aussies too.To mention Billy Smith and not Murphy or indeed Millward is a bit biased IMVHO.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gregory had a very similar body shape to Wally Lewis would he not make it in today's game. There are also loads of Current NRL players with Gregory's body shape how come they've made it.

Really? Which ones?

_39899071_gregory270.jpg

Andy Gregory was 5'5' and built like a chubby barrel.

Wally Lewis is 6ft and 14st, 13lb not much different than todays Stand offs but more on the solid Lock style of build.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree,Roger Millward did a lot of damage to the the Aussies too.To mention Billy Smith and not Murphy or indeed Millward is a bit biased IMVHO.

I agree Dennis,

The article was from an Australian Paper and as most media do they only look in their own back yard, see "Sinfield wins Golden Boot award" to see what I mean.

I don't think they were dredging back through the decades even in the Australian Game, just in the memories of the people that are still alive and remember the names they are talking about.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gregory was a wonderful player, who would be a wonderful player in any era. He did just fine in the Winfield Cup, helping Illawarra to their first final iirc. One thing that always amazed me about him was that he could only pass one way over distance and would have to turn around to make sure he could get into position. You couldn't buy his genius for putting players through gaps.

Andy Gregory was a genius and, for a relatively short time ( or so it seems from this distance), was partnered at Widnes by another genius in Tony Myler.

One of my earliest rugby league memories is of sitting down to watch the Challenge Cup final in the early '80s and hearing Ray French revolve much of his commentary around the fact that Widnes' Gregory had been up all night with a wisdom tooth problem! (I didn't understand what all the fuss was about, until I experienced something similar a few years later). He then proceeded to play a blinder, of course...

Thurston is wonderful - but I don't mind admitting that watching Gregory in his prime was somehow even more exciting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree,Roger Millward did a lot of damage to the the Aussies too.To mention Billy Smith and not Murphy or indeed Millward is a bit biased IMVHO.

I agree, Millward was a billiant halfback over a long period of time. Seeing as we are talking Castleford products here, Hepworth and Hardisty were also top class, particularly Hardisty.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Unfortunately in 1989 when Gregory played for Illawarra they came last in the Comp 16th from 16 teams, Andy only played in nine of those games where they won 1, drew one and lost seven.

Allan Langer is always mentioned among the greats but, on 2 Kangaroos tours, he looked ordinary and was displaced both times by Ricky Stuart - a player with just about the most sumptuous passing and kicking game imaginable.

I don't know what Warrington fans think of Langer's stint with them - but I remember only a mediocre performer who, nonetheless, returned to Australia and put in a man-of-the-match performance for Queensland in the State of Origin...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Best British halfback pairing -- Murphy and Millward

Best Australian halfback pairing -Lewis and Sterling

Best I ever saw - Wally Lewis

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Murphy was the best ever, without question.

Who cares what shape anyone's body was? Are great players to be excluded from a list because they were short, or podgy, or tall, or thin? Billy Boston was a big fat lad too, and the best in the world were terrified of him.

Sorry, but I just don't buy into all the hype about Thurston, he is a good player without doubt, but the best half-back ever? Give me a break. Then again, Andrew Johns was so good that he had to resort to playing at hooker to get into the Australian side at one point. Does anyone think that really great players such as Lewis or Kenny would have to do that?

But Hannibal, Kenny an out and out Standoff played two thirds of his Test matches at Center to make way for Lewis at Stand off in the Kangaroos.

Would Sam Backo or John "Dallas" Donnelly be Test Props nowadays? I do not think so regardless of their Skills.

Skills are only one part of the equation, the ability to compete and deliver those Skills are another.

Next you will be saying a Short Fat Lad that passes and that kicks the ball better than anyone else would make the grade even if he only played for 50 minutes and every opposition team targeted him as a slow paced player that could be run around or worn out easily.

The game has moved on, you need the skills and the physique in that roll to deliver those skills.

Show me the fat unfit player that is at the top of the game?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Cooper Cronk is playing better than Thurston at this moment in time. Cronk looked the much better player in the Melbourne v Cowboys game. If Cronk carries on this form for the next 2 years maybe the baton won't be passed onto Thurston.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Allan Langer is always mentioned among the greats but, on 2 Kangaroos tours, he looked ordinary and was displaced both times by Ricky Stuart - a player with just about the most sumptuous passing and kicking game imaginable.

I don't know what Warrington fans think of Langer's stint with them - but I remember only a mediocre performer who, nonetheless, returned to Australia and put in a man-of-the-match performance for Queensland in the State of Origin...

Langers pedigree was earned in the SOO series. He was a Halfback similar to Terry Lamb at 5/8.

He was a competitor. Not the fastest or the slickest but drove his team on to win when they should have lost.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.



League Express - Mon 24th July 2017

Rugby League World - August 2017