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 These four companies have supplied the £100,000 in funding while BARLA have worked with the networking and promotion needed to deliver the scheme to the clubs.

Like most advertising, there's some smoke & mirrors involved here, Jim.

 

The retail value of a Open Age kit to all 114 clubs in Yorkshire would be around £100k, if they all took up the offer. I think in reality a lot of junior age groups have enquired as the deal is for 15 strips

 

However, XAMAX stand the cost of making them and the 3 others put around £10k in each.

I think they have had their money's worth already.

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Like most advertising, there's some smoke & mirrors involved here, Jim.

 

The retail value of a Open Age kit to all 114 clubs in Yorkshire would be around £100k, if they all took up the offer. I think in reality a lot of junior age groups have enquired as the deal is for 15 strips

 

However, XAMAX stand the cost of making them and the 3 others put around £10k in each.

I think they have had their money's worth already.

I believe it's only open to the open-age teams Dean, not sure but It's easy to find out, for each club who get chosen for a strip it's still a cracking deal, 18 strips for the price of 3.

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I believe it's only open to the open-age teams Dean, not sure but It's easy to find out, for each club who get chosen for a strip it's still a cracking deal, 18 strips for the price of 3.

I agree, it's better than you think. They charge £24+ vat per strip

Originally it was aimed at " junior academy of local amateur teams " but obviously a lot of open age jumped on the bandwagon.

http://www.barla.org.uk/news/Details.asp?id=3094

There was also a half price deal £432 + vat for schools and local amateur clubs in the wakefield area.

Still available, i think.

http://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/wildcats-xamax-partner-to-offer-half-price-kits-for-clubs-schools/2012/12/

The benefit of that one of course is you can raise your own funds to more than cover the costs with your own sponsors, which you can't with the other....

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I agree, it's better than you think. They charge £24+ vat per strip

Originally it was aimed at " junior academy of local amateur teams " but obviously a lot of open age jumped on the bandwagon.

http://www.barla.org.uk/news/Details.asp?id=3094

There was also a half price deal £432 + vat for schools and local amateur clubs in the wakefield area.

Still available, i think.

http://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/news/wildcats-xamax-partner-to-offer-half-price-kits-for-clubs-schools/2012/12/

The benefit of that one of course is you can raise your own funds to more than cover the costs with your own sponsors, which you can't with the other....

The offer from what I've been told is open to all BARLA clubs and the deal is that you receive a 15 player kit with the option of purchasing extra kits at £24 per man which includes shirt shorts and socks. The club states which team the kit is for and it's open to all age groups.

 

Looks straight forward to me and looks a lot better deal than the pitch remediation deal with the RFL when the clubs were supposed to receive £xxxxx for pitch remediation. The money - which clubs never saw by the way - was to pay for an inspection - by an RFL appointed contractor - who then went on to recommend what was needed to complete the remediation and hey guess what, the club then had to pick up the bill which often ran into several thousands of pounds

 

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The offer from what I've been told is open to all BARLA clubs and the deal is that you receive a 15 player kit with the option of purchasing extra kits at £24 per man which includes shirt shorts and socks. The club states which team the kit is for and it's open to all age groups.

 

Looks straight forward to me and looks a lot better deal than the pitch remediation deal with the RFL when the clubs were supposed to receive £xxxxx for pitch remediation. The money - which clubs never saw by the way - was to pay for an inspection - by an RFL appointed contractor - who then went on to recommend what was needed to complete the remediation and hey guess what, the club then had to pick up the bill which often ran into several thousands of pounds

                            

 

Great results from having the pitch work done for my club , transformed the playing surface on pitches and training area.

No problem with the contractor.

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Looks straight forward to me and looks a lot better deal than the pitch remediation deal with the RFL when the clubs were supposed to receive £xxxxx for pitch remediation. The money - which clubs never saw by the way - was to pay for an inspection - by an RFL appointed contractor - who then went on to recommend what was needed to complete the remediation and hey guess what, the club then had to pick up the bill which often ran into several thousands of pounds

It was £1500.

60 ton of sand delivered is about £1000 in anyone's money plus a survey, vertidrain, weed, feed and overseed. Reasonable value and more time to pay up than Mr Wonga...

I've heard the BARLA bigwigs mutterings about how they could have got it done cheaper and they were not happy that it didn't go to tender.... Will their playing strips be going to tender, anytime soon?

By the way, I have no allegiance to the RFL, Professional clubs, BARLA or the NCL as I have been shafted by all 4 over the years....

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The RFL are the governing body ,BARLA gave up that status when they signed the GENISIS agreement .

 

NCL also get their match officilas fees paid another benefit .

 

Small steps from Barla which is not before time and to which they have been applauded .

But the bigger challange for BARLA is to elect a new chair that can rebuild the once proud association ,because under the present one we have been left exposed to being bullied into accepting policies that favour the pro game at the expense of the grass roots .

The game is in danger of being decimated by policy makers who have little or no understanding of the fabric of the sport , some of our clubs are also falling for the charm offences and carressing of egos .

 

Worrying times for us who are reading the signs more people need to take off their rose tinted glasses .

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No raw nerves here, I phoned the BARLA number and I've found out for you :)

 

This project is funded entirely by the sponsor with the main sponsor based in Yorkshire. It was BARLA's persuasion that convinced the sponsors to roll the scheme out nationwide following the pilot in Yorkshire.

 

I was also informed that BARLA have an association with one of the sponsors Xamax, who are currently in their second year of sponsoring the BARLA National Youth & Junior Cups where part of the sponsorship means the winners at all three age groups; 14's/16's/18's receive a playing kit. From this association, Helplink, Xamax, Worcester Bosch and Plumb Centre formed the Tops4Teams scheme. These four companies have supplied the £100,000 in funding while BARLA have worked with the networking and promotion needed to deliver the scheme to the clubs.

 

It's good to talk - If you phone the old BARLA number I think you will get someone (unless they have been laid off as well, then you may get a guy called Eddie living in Delhi ) to ask why you've not received your balls, bus passes & sunshine vouchers.

 

Don't know about you but I take my hat off to which ever member of BARLA who has secured the funding for the scheme.

 

You see Marauder, I was right, I knew you would come up with the answer!!

 

And I totally agree with you, this is a great scheme and for those clubs lucky enough to win a strip in these austere times.

 

And you are also correct about BARLA sponsoring the new Cumbria Men's League, as you have frequently pointed out on these boards, I'm pretty sure it was for £6,000 per season for 2 or 3 years to get it established. Which feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it in BARLA's constitution to promote and develop the amateur game? so the Cumbrian officials have merely asked for help in rebuilding the game in West Cumbria, and in the local paper the league is referred to as the BARLA Cumbria Men's League, so that should keep you happy Marauder

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Great results from having the pitch work done for my club , transformed the playing surface on pitches and training area.

No problem with the contractor.

At what cost?

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You see Marauder, I was right, I knew you would come up with the answer!!

 

And I totally agree with you, this is a great scheme and for those clubs lucky enough to win a strip in these austere times.

 

And you are also correct about BARLA sponsoring the new Cumbria Men's League, as you have frequently pointed out on these boards, I'm pretty sure it was for £6,000 per season for 2 or 3 years to get it established. Which feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it in BARLA's constitution to promote and develop the amateur game? so the Cumbrian officials have merely asked for help in rebuilding the game in West Cumbria, and in the local paper the league is referred to as the BARLA Cumbria Men's League, so that should keep you happy Marauder

There you go then, BARLA are still supporting the 4 seasons.

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More evidence of RFL policy

 

http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Rugby-stifles-young-stars-like-Hull-FC-s-Jamie/story-18606565-detail/story.html#axzz2R0TkYNAc

 

The RFL are employing some graduates who have little or no knoweldge of how the game works and seem to be hell bent on supporting them irrespective of the damage it causes , ignoring experienced players and administrators to boot .

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The problem, not just in amateur RL, but the game as a whole, is that there are too many people who do things for themselves or their clubs and nots whats best for the game. The RFL, Barla, Pro Clubs, Amateur Clubs, RLIF, RLEF should be working together and finding ways which helps everybody especially the players to get the best results. Instead we have infighting and politics causing more harm than good. Having worked with the RLEF for example it was the agenda of them and ignoring our concerns over the D.O that has seen many people walk away from RL.

A friend of mine, who has been involved with Scholarships at a Championship club, as well as being involved within the amateur scene, has said something similar about the game at Youth level. He told me this week that Stainland Stags fielded a host of Summer Conference players in their semi final versus Greetland. But them Summer Conferences players have been missing for the past couple of months because they have been back with their Conference club! So players are getted counted double and what good does it do when players sign up for the winter clubs and then disappear at the back end of the season and just appear in semi finals and finals played midweek?

The RFL, Pro Clubs as well as the amateur scene are often fighting against each other as they want whats best for them, nots what is best for the game as a whole. The SL clubs getting rid of the U20s was again down to selfish interests. Until we get ALL the sides working together and having a plan which benefits all , then the game will struggle

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I've noticed recently that the blame has shifted from just pointing the finger at BARLA but towards all the governing bodies and some of the main shouters against BARLA have gone to ground.

 

Just an observation B)

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I think you are being a bit unfair, most of the comments on here highlight problems caused by lack of communication and cooperation between the governing bodies which includes BARLA and the RFL, and in my opinion most posters on here try to be constructive regardless of which camp they are in.

Playing the 'blame game' doesn't help anyone, and only succeeds in holding the game back.

The game has serious problems at grassroots, and the only way to address them is to work with all parties for the benefit of the game. Its being done in Cumbria, and they seem (from the outside looking in) to have an ongoing working relationship with BARLA and the RFL as well as utilising the RFL staff in the area to work with the league and clubs which is probably how it should be.

They are also trying to revitilise the County Championship and also open up the BARLA Cumbria Cup to more teams, so is that not an example of how the game should be run?

The game in Cumbria at open age level seems to be a lot more stable this season than it has for the past four or five years, but we are only a quarter of the way through the season so that could change in the coming months.

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Good afternoon DTTRR,

Quite right the open age game in Cumbria does seem to be settling to a level and this is down to the hard work and fresh thinking of the CARL officials, along with the support of BARLA and the RFL. Also with the vision of the Cumbrian management who are proposing to introduce a second level in the Cumbria County Cups, has led to the competitions promising to become a lot more populated.

The County Championships (BARLA County Tri-Series) have also become more vibrant over the last three years or so, which can be credited to the decision by BARLA to rename and revamp the series. The introduction of the under 17’s competition has also given the young players of all three counties an exciting, meaningful, higher level to aspire to.

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It looks as though someone is putting their money where their mouth is;

 

http://barla.org.uk/News/Details.asp?id=3170

 

Tops4Teams has this weekend announced the latest BARLA clubs to secure a free playing kit through the £100,000 kit give away initiative set up by sponsors; Help-link, Xamax, Worcester Bosch and Plumbcentre.

The scheme was officially launched on the Sky magazine programme, `Boots ’N All’ earlier this month by Barry McDermott and Kevin Sinfield and clubs will be able to apply for the offer by emailing either;

secretary@barla.org.uk or enquiries@tops4teams.com

The latest 15 lucky clubs below were drawn from the hat in this week’s held in the offices of Xamax;

Barrow Island, Clockface Miners, Cockermouth Titans, Folly Lane, Halton Farnworth Hornets, Haresfinch, Haydock, Hindpool, Ince Rose Bridge, Latchford Albion, Leyland Warriors, Newton Storm, Portico Vine, Saddleworth Rangers and Wath Brow Hornets.

The lucky clubs join over 50 more clubs who have either received or are in the process of receiving a kit from the Tops4Teams.

Mark Rogers, Sportswear Development Manager at Xamax, commented, "Along with Help-link, Worcester Bosch and Plumbcentre, Xamax are delighted to be part of this tremendous initiative."

"In the present current financial climate, we’re very happy to be easing the clubs’ finacial burden and giving the BARLA clubs a leg up by supplying a top quality playing kit. The response that we’ve had so far is terrific."

 


 

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Hello Nev v Dawn

Yes this is a tremendous scheme for those clubs lucky enough to be selected for a strip, but I've yet to find out how the selection process works. Also, I've read the press releases in the RL newspapers, but it doesn't say if the Tops4Teams project is a BARLA idea funded by sponsors and BARLA, or a project funded entirely by sponsors and supported by BARLA?

Maybe Marauder can shed some light on this as I bet his team got a strip!

If it was a project funded entirely by sponsors then I totally understand why it was rolled out in Yorkshire initially, but if is part funded by BARLA I would have to ask why it wasn't ran nationwide initially?

That isn't me knocking the scheme which I think is very good, and hats off to whoever got the sponsors on board to start with, but I think it is a valid question, especially as to how the selection process works

Still no kit for Moorends, we did play the other week against a team wearing one thou.

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Your getting close to getting one then Maurader!! ;)

 

I'm pleased to see that Cockermouth and Barrow Island have got one from the Cumbrian League, good luck to them!

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Yet another case of putting money where their mouth is by "The Yorkshire Mafia" Have they been infiltrated? 

 

Derby day in the BARLA Cumbria Men’s ARL meant some close encounters of a classic kind with every game going right to the wire.

Three of the games were separated by the proverbial cigarette paper, with one ending all square.

The first few weeks of the newly constructed league justifies the decision of Barrow ARL and Cumbria ARL, to join forces in the BARLA backed competition. Barrow ARL secretary Terry Barker has no doubts of the merits in the new competition saying, "We have a lot to thank BARLA for with their support, some of the teams last season were getting beat by 60 to 70 points."

 

http://barla.org.uk/News/Details.asp?id=3169

 

And is it by coincidence that there's not a dual reg player in sight ....

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Yet another case of putting money where their mouth is by "The Yorkshire Mafia" Have they been infiltrated? 

 

Derby day in the BARLA Cumbria Men’s ARL meant some close encounters of a classic kind with every game going right to the wire.

Three of the games were separated by the proverbial cigarette paper, with one ending all square.

The first few weeks of the newly constructed league justifies the decision of Barrow ARL and Cumbria ARL, to join forces in the BARLA backed competition. Barrow ARL secretary Terry Barker has no doubts of the merits in the new competition saying, "We have a lot to thank BARLA for with their support, some of the teams last season were getting beat by 60 to 70 points."

 

http://barla.org.uk/News/Details.asp?id=3169

 

And is it by coincidence that there's not a dual reg player in sight ....

IMO this is a good example why BARLA's plan to have a BARLA National league should go ahead as soon as possible without opposition from the powerful Pennine league, If it takes BARLA to go down the RFL route and ask for clubs to volunteer with on field standards not being the main criteria so be it, the NCL have shown what good management (Fresh blood with no axe to grind) , regular and strict fixture programming can achieve.

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Your getting close to getting one then Maurader!! ;)

 

I'm pleased to see that Cockermouth and Barrow Island have got one from the Cumbrian League, good luck to them!

I'd say every club who have applied and not been successful yet are as close as Moorends wouldn't you?

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IMO this is a good example why BARLA's plan to have a BARLA National league should go ahead as soon as possible without opposition from the powerful Pennine league, If it takes BARLA to go down the RFL route and ask for clubs to volunteer with on field standards not being the main criteria so be it, the NCL have shown what good management (Fresh blood with no axe to grind) , regular and strict fixture programming can achieve.

Let's be clear about one thing here, the Cumbria Men's League has come about by working with BOTH parties. BARLA have provided funding and support and the RFL development guys in Cumbria put in a hell of a lot of work in the background to make this possible, including getting the West Cumbrian and Barrow lads together in the first place.

This is a very good example of how both parties should be working together for the COMMUNITY CLUBS and not constantly trying to get one over on each other. Its early days yet, but the competition has been like a breath of fresh air in West Cumbria and I'm sure it is the same for Walney and Barrow Island. Nobody is kidding themselves thinking there won't be problems as the season progresses, but I'm sure any problems will be sorted amicably

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