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You can read all about what happens in The Press too, if you choose to do summat else on the day.

That said, personally I would urge people to go to games, win lose or draw. It's what sport is all about.

This club used to be one of the best supported outside Super League, home and away. But now even North Wales Crusaders are getting bigger gates in the division below (no offence to NWC). Come on, people. Everyone on here knows the importance of supporting the team through thick and thin and thinner. If everyone jumped ship, we all know all too painfully well what happens.

Let's not forget, York is one of the top 25 rugby league clubs in the country and it has the potential to be a big big club (a place like this should have a much bigger fan base for both RL and football!), but it needs the city to back em home and away at all times, and collectively we have to STOP this downward spiral which seems to have been spinning for a few years. No offence, but really that starts with you lot, the diehards.

When the Knights started, not only were they new but they were underdogs, and the city loved getting behind them, and it all got on a roll. People should not forget that the club are still - and have always been - underdogs. In reality, we shouldnt be able to compete with Featherstone or Sheffield or Halifax given the money they've got, but we are in that same league as them FGS. We are beating teams, and we should have beaten Halifax - who want to be in Super League. Yes, we also played crp at Batley and Keighley, but it's sport, it happens. For every club near the top, there are many more who aren't. But people must still turn up in numbers, otherwise what's the point of it all?

On a personal note, it makes it so much more fun to report on when there are more people there, with more following the team at games, and on here, and on the Press website, etc (even if it's just to moan about crp performances, and God knows we've all had a moan about Keighley).

It doesn't feel good when a patronising York City fan or someone who doesn't follow sport pops on the comments section of Knights stories in The Press and says the club should give up, or fold, etc.

Rant over. Apologies.

Pete Martini

@PMartiniPress

PS As a Man City fan born and bred I can also assure you that if and when the good times do come, it is made INFINITELY more enjoyable because you'd stuck with it through all those years in the doldrums, on which you still look back with a certain warped fondness.

Far too simplistic, I havn't met many Knights fans who are purely "bad" losers, but HOW a team loses can seriously affect the fanbase.

I'm not aware of the few hundred diehards "jumping ship". Even though many are appalled at the teams efforts away from home they still turn up at Huntington Stadium. One of the main domino effects of how the team lose away is the inability of the diehards to persuade the Cities sports fans to take the club seriously.

Offence could actually be taken by certain "diehards" who have been able and willing to do far more than myself over the years to keep the club afloat. Whilst your sentiments on this subject are admirable, they are perhaps aimed at the wrong group of people, certainly the fans on this forum?

No it doesn't feel good when York citizens, sports fans or not, criticize our professional clubs. But when local taxpayers see one club rapidly heading back towards oblivion and the other having their team being accused of embarrassing and unacceptable performances by their own coaching staff they are bound to question the credibility of professional sport in York. Much has been made of the impending new Community Stadium which I for one think is long overdue, but it is time for both our pro clubs to pull their fingers out on the playing front and stop giving new stadium objectors more ammunition.

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Far too simplistic, I havn't met many Knights fans who are purely "bad" losers, but HOW a team loses can seriously affect the fanbase.

I'm not aware of the few hundred diehards "jumping ship". Even though many are appalled at the teams efforts away from home they still turn up at Huntington Stadium. One of the main domino effects of how the team lose away is the inability of the diehards to persuade the Cities sports fans to take the club seriously.

Offence could actually be taken by certain "diehards" who have been able and willing to do far more than myself over the years to keep the club afloat. Whilst your sentiments on this subject are admirable, they are perhaps aimed at the wrong group of people, certainly the fans on this forum?

If anyone did take any kind of offence, I apologise. That's obviously not what was meant.

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Putting their money where their mouth is!

Fantastic response from the Players - absolutely magic!

Still not off though :(

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Impressed with that.

Thats a generous and kindhearted response from the players to the fans, and well done Simon if it was your idea. Lets hope the team can transfer theirs and our frustrations onto the field.

Is it a bridge too far to ask the players to pay for Big Rons beer, after all he's paid for theirs a time or two. ;)

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Far too simplistic, I havn't met many Knights fans who are purely "bad" losers, but HOW a team loses can seriously affect the fanbase.

I'm not aware of the few hundred diehards "jumping ship". Even though many are appalled at the teams efforts away from home they still turn up at Huntington Stadium. One of the main domino effects of how the team lose away is the inability of the diehards to persuade the Cities sports fans to take the club seriously.

Offence could actually be taken by certain "diehards" who have been able and willing to do far more than myself over the years to keep the club afloat. Whilst your sentiments on this subject are admirable, they are perhaps aimed at the wrong group of people, certainly the fans on this forum?

No it doesn't feel good when York citizens, sports fans or not, criticize our professional clubs. But when local taxpayers see one club rapidly heading back towards oblivion and the other having their team being accused of embarrassing and unacceptable performances by their own coaching staff they are bound to question the credibility of professional sport in York. Much has been made of the impending new Community Stadium which I for one think is long overdue, but it is time for both our pro clubs to pull their fingers out on the playing front and stop giving new stadium objectors more ammunition.

Simplistic or not, the fact is a few years ago this club averaged 2,000 and regularly took hundreds away. York were the envy of many National League clubs. However, only a quarter of that number turned up for the home game the other week, while on this thread people were saying they wouldnt go to Donny and the supporters' club cancelled the bus.

NB To clear up any possible offence, I didn't accuse anyone of "jumping ship". I said, "Everyone on here knows the importance of supporting the team through thick and thin and thinner. If everyone jumped ship, we all know all too painfully well what happens."

As for diehard fans, they are crucial to any club and, in my opinion, the diehards at York are as good as any fans you will ever come across. My comments (whether they should be aimed at people on this forum or not) were merely an attempt, even if it's in vain, to act as some sort of rallying cry. I said collectively we have to somehow stop this apparent downward spiral - and diehard fans will always have to be at the forefront of that given that fans are any club's lifeblood, or soul, or whatever cliche you want to use. (I'm not sure how people on here could take offence at that, but if they do, then I apologise.)

In my opinion, it basically means stop any talk of not going to games, defend the club against "you should just fold" comments, talk about the team, win, lose of draw, keep buying the shirts (if you can afford them), put YCK stickers and flags in cars, etc, etc. The more people talk about the Knights, in pubs, shops, street corners, the more people get interested. If that includes slagging off a performance, so be it. At least people are talking about it. If people talk about it, people go to games.

(Yes I know people on this forum already do all that, and more, but what's the harm in saying it? It's certainly not meant to be "offensive" - the opposite, in fact, because people on here undoubtedly care.)

As for the credibility of a club, again in my opinion, the fact a coach can slam his team's performance via mainstream media (including trade papers, the BBC, websites, and a daily paper such as The Press) by its very nature means the club is credible and that it can be taken seriously. The fact York City are in a Football League relegation battle actually makes them credible, even if that sounds paradoxical. City stories in the paper are regularly commented on more than anything else - that makes them credible. This paper and Radio York give both clubs really good coverage, better than many so-called bigger clubs get - that too adds to their credibility.

People get attracted to pro clubs by the fact lots of other people go watch. They are attracted by the atmosphere, camaraderie, banter, noise, sociality, etc. In my opinion, it is people who make clubs 'credible', not results. Similarly, it is attendances, not results, that counter objections to the new stadium. Likewise the bigger the attendances, the better chance clubs have of "pulling fingers out", for all the obvious reasons.

Pete

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Oh, and yes - great gesture by the players!

(I'm sure I saw a tweet by a certain fan saying that, if the players paid for the bus, then he'd put £100 into their end-of-season pss-up should they win...Is that part of the deal still?)

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well if that really is the case from the players i will put my bus money into the squad builder fund rarther than a free be, 22 to workington, 26 to batley, o to sheffield i now expect 22 buses to donny so they better be on WINNING PAY :D :D

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Oh, and yes - great gesture by the players!

(I'm sure I saw a tweet by a certain fan saying that, if the players paid for the bus, then he'd put £100 into their end-of-season pss-up should they win...Is that part of the deal still?)

Yep, I'll put my money where my big mouth is.

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The coach will leave the Ainsty at 12.00, Clarence Street 12.15 Stadium 12.30

Call 07763121732 to confirm your place.

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Book me and steve on the bus please gaz

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If anyone did take any kind of offence, I apologise. That's obviously not what was meant.

Well I didn't take any offence at all Peter and after a few days of mainly depressing stuff on here, understandably so after Sunday's debacle, I found it to be like a much needed, welcome, breath of fresh air. Thank you.

After all, we knew after the Workington win that one good win doesn't make us world beaters just the same as one terrible result doesn't necessarily make us bottom of the table candidates. I know we lost heavily at both Sheffield and Batley but we won't be the only team to do that this season I'm sure and, in my opinion at least, in both those games there were valid excuses for the size of the defeat whereas at Keighley there was no excuse apart from every member of the team seemed to choose that day not to show up. It's the first time it's happened this season, let's hope it's the last!

P.S. That's a fine gesture from the players and to me it shows their feelings about the game last Sunday and they want to try and make some kind of amends and that's the first step. Many thanks lads. Let's hope the second step can come off at Doncaster!

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Very impressed with a lot of people over the supporters bus stuff, just heard Rammo

live on Radio York talking about it so some really good, positive publicity there.

In fact, so impressed that me & the other half have agreed to make a small donation

to squad builder so Simon make sure you're there Sunday & we will give you it.

Another thought, respect Peter G's comments cos he talks loads of sense, but for me,

i will take Pete Martinis comments as a well needed rallying call.

Would also love to see Knights fans actually in Knights colours when we go away

(as per every single Worky fan when they came to us), know people cannot afford

to buy shirts every season, but think it looks really impressive when we look like we

are all together.

In fact, I have shirts going back over every Knights season so far, so if anyone want's

a free (or small donation to squad builder) shirt, just have a word with me at any game

& I will bring some to the next game - only condition is you must wear it !!

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That's a good call Shades, colours matter. I decided against wearing a shirt at matches this year because I was starting to feel abit lonely. Tbh that's why I don't have this years. I'll start wearing one again.

But apart from the colours, we spread out too much. On sunday there were 2 lads stood in a corner with about 6 flags up - then all along the terraces there were little patches of Knights fans. I'm sure there wouldve been fans in the stands too.

If we all stood together - those lads with the flags, the singsong faithful, THE DRUM and everyone else in their colours - well, I think every performance would be like the V Worky one. As peter said before, atmosphere helps bring people to games, so if we all stand together, home and away, that atmosphere will create itself and we'll get back to it being fun again.

Now, I like to be on the halfway line, but if anyone has a better vantage point, I'd gladly move if we're all together.

Also, I'm still not coming on Sunday :(

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The coach to Doncaster will leave Ainsty 12-00, Clarence Street 12.15 Stadium 12.30 Returning immediately after the game, the first 49 people to contact me on 07763121732 can travel FREE regardless whether they were on the bus to Keighley or not.

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Simplistic or not, .

My comments (whether they should be aimed at people on this forum or not) were merely an attempt, even if it's in vain, to act as some sort of rallying cry.

In my opinion, it is people who make clubs 'credible',

Thanks for your reply Pete, just a couple of observations :

I only meant your win lose or draw comment was too simplistic, not the whole piece!

Your rallying cry was certainly not in vain.

Yes, amongst other variables it is people who can make a club credible or not, and this applies from top to bottom.

Finally, I reckon we could talk forever about the reasons for declining attendances etc and the interpretation of words like credibility, but as I recently told a younger journo we might have to agree to differ ( you know the bloke, tends to have a shirt fetish and gives loads of dosh to squadbuilder)

Cheers,

Peter.

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A big thank you to the player's for this offer.This shows that they were hurting as much as we fans were after the dismal showing at Keighley.As it has been said in previous posts,get your colours on and get behind the team.

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Amazing how one gesture can change the whole atmosphere at the club, it really is great to see.

Keep it up guys!

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Very impressed with a lot of people over the supporters bus stuff, just heard Rammo

live on Radio York talking about it so some really good, positive publicity there.

In fact, so impressed that me & the other half have agreed to make a small donation

to squad builder so Simon make sure you're there Sunday & we will give you it.

Another thought, respect Peter G's comments cos he talks loads of sense, but for me,

i will take Pete Martinis comments as a well needed rallying call.

Would also love to see Knights fans actually in Knights colours when we go away

(as per every single Worky fan when they came to us), know people cannot afford

to buy shirts every season, but think it looks really impressive when we look like we

are all together.

In fact, I have shirts going back over every Knights season so far, so if anyone want's

a free (or small donation to squad builder) shirt, just have a word with me at any game

& I will bring some to the next game - only condition is you must wear it !!

don think yours would fit me col :D :D :D

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