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Did I mention the Bulls have a special cap exemption too? In that they are exempt from recieving 50% for this year and next.

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This sport has gone mad.

We create rules to protect the have nots, no relegation and small salary cap.

It's no wonder we will not reach potential

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Did I mention the Bulls have a special cap exemption too? In that they are exempt from recieving 50% for this year and next.

No, you're still allowed to pay the full cap

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This sport has gone mad.

We create rules to protect the have nots, no relegation and small salary cap.

It's no wonder we will not reach potential

Sporting socialism, well meaning I'm sure.

Like much in this country, we are catering for the lowest common denominator, which is a fertile breeding ground for averageness.

Genuine question: When Wigan were the standout team of the late 80s/early 90s and our game had a much higher profile nationally, along with players who were household names, what salary cap were they working to?

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I understand Wigans income 20 years ago was £6m pa with no Sky funding.

Why reach for the stars when the weeds are closer.

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No, you're still allowed to pay the full cap

Just testing!

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when the weeds are closer.

I think yours is very close to hand.

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I understand Wigans income 20 years ago was £6m pa with no Sky funding.

Why reach for the stars when the weeds are closer.

I'll bet it wasn't.

If i'm wrong and they were spending £6m then this is the reason we need a salary cap - clubs don't have anywhere near the turnover to sustain that.

In 1993-4 Wigan had a core squad of 23 - with 4 other players playing less than 4 games each. This would make their average salary between £220k and £240k pa.

Even RU has a salary cap of £4.5m - do they lack ambition because they don;t have a cap as high as Wigan's supposed salary bill 20 years ago?

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Sporting socialism, well meaning I'm sure.

Like much in this country, we are catering for the lowest common denominator, which is a fertile breeding ground for averageness.

Genuine question: When Wigan were the standout team of the late 80s/early 90s and our game had a much higher profile nationally, along with players who were household names, what salary cap were they working to?

No - we are catering for the majority. The vast majority of our clubs in the game cannot afford to pay salaries of £1.65m. The game cannot afford it. A few rich blokes may be able to afford it but many clubs, definitely including yours cannot turnover enough to comfortably pay full salary cap as it is.

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No - we are catering for the majority. The vast majority of our clubs in the game cannot afford to pay salaries of £1.65m. The game cannot afford it. A few rich blokes may be able to afford it but many clubs, definitely including yours cannot turnover enough to comfortably pay full salary cap as it is.

So because some can't afford it, those that can aren't allowed.

You've just summed up why we have no brand value and are seen as a small time, poor northern sport.

I know my club can't afford it, that doesn't mean others shouldn't.

Do we want a Super League where Cas, Wakey, Widnes, London etc are the standard we are working to? Or do we want to strive for excellence?

Telling Leeds they can only spend the same as Cas will not achieve excellence.

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Koukash hasn't spouted about Super League being rubbish. Quite the opposite actually. He has stated quite clearly his admiration for rugby league, and has used specific examples of how much he enjoys watching the sport.

Are you confusing Super League with Rugby League?

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So it's ok for union/ NRL to "artificially" pay our lads to leave but it's not ok for us to "artificially" pay them more to stay.

No wonder we're struggling!

How are they artificially paying "our lads"?

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How could a temporary SC exemption work? Would Salford only be allowed to register any new signings for twelve months after which it's back to the standard SC? Which players would come to Salford for one season? They'd only do it for a king's ransom then it's back to square one for Dr K or the players take a drastic pay cut. Do they get three years exemption so that they could increase their chances of signing a better quality of player? I just don't see how it could work for a single club.

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So because some can't afford it, those that can aren't allowed.

You've just summed up why we have no brand value and are seen as a small time, poor northern sport.

I know my club can't afford it, that doesn't mean others shouldn't.

Do we want a Super League where Cas, Wakey, Widnes, London etc are the standard we are working to? Or do we want to strive for excellence?

Telling Leeds they can only spend the same as Cas will not achieve excellence.

No - the majority can't afford it, that's the issue here.

Why does English Rugby Union have a £4.5m salary cap when people can earn more in France?

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widnes weren't allowed a cap limit exemption when we were given a license, koukash should come down to earth and realise that in our great sport all clubs are equal.........................but some are more equal than others.

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That was a loan against a sale. The RFL still own the lease on Odsal.

Still a direct intervention, presumably to try and help save the club - sorry for the confusion, just your post left me with the impression you were accusing them of doing nothing to help Crusaders, when I believe they did a lot to help them.

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I'll bet it wasn't.

If i'm wrong and they were spending £6m then this is the reason we need a salary cap - clubs don't have anywhere near the turnover to sustain that.

In 1993-4 Wigan had a core squad of 23 - with 4 other players playing less than 4 games each. This would make their average salary between £220k and £240k pa.

Even RU has a salary cap of £4.5m - do they lack ambition because they don;t have a cap as high as Wigan's supposed salary bill 20 years ago?

He said wigans income not wigans salary spend. Which although impressive is certainly believable.

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regardless of the salary cap or signing the best players how will koukash get more bums on seats to actually make the club self sufficient?? a 1900 crowd for the visit of hull kr is hardly a crowd to make money for the club..........

Agree - except - it was a crazy ko time - it was on a Sunday night and most Salfordians were at Church :)

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Any bets that Koukash's next suggestion is an increased overseas quota for Salford as he can't get the requisite quality of players over here ?

Not a bad idea as it seems EVERYONE wants a flourishing SL club within a few minutes of the centre of the 2nd largest City in the country. Surely it makes sense to makes the Reds a special case here.,

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He said wigans income not wigans salary spend. Which although impressive is certainly believable.

absolutely correct - apologies to sweaty craiq.

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So, we are always going to be happy with a sport that is at a level set by mediocrity, rather than encouraging, albeit monitored, growth?

OK then, but that doesn't excite me.

Maybe club bankruptcy does excite you.

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This sport has gone mad.

We create rules to protect the have nots, no relegation and small salary cap.

It's no wonder we will not reach potential

We do not have a small salary cap, we have small revenues.

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Not a bad idea as it seems EVERYONE wants a flourishing SL club within a few minutes of the centre of the 2nd largest City in the country. Surely it makes sense to makes the Reds a special case here.,

i thought we were talking about salford not solihull......................

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Maybe club bankruptcy does excite you.

Yeah, cos clubs don't go bust with a salary cap do they?

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