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Chairman speaks about DR

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The irony is that for a club that is so against a system you've very quickly adopted it more than most!

If you believe that Ian Talbot was appointed because he was the best candidate for the job out of all applicants, I suggest that at the very least that is a REMARKABLE coincidence that he so happens to be a full time employee at Saints!

What I do know is that I attended a fans meeting with the Cru Board last October which principally discussed DR.

They had been asked to enter a partnership with St Helen's but rejected it because

1. It was a stipulation that a St Helen's coach MUST be appointed to our Coaching staff to make sure players were coached in the St. Helens ethos and

2. If St Helen's decided a SL player needed game time, he was playing. No ifs or buts, he was playing.

Our Board and coaching staff reported that they had rejected the offer as it gave away the identity and control of the club too much. They also reported they had received an alternative approach from Widnes based around a development of players in North Wales but after feedback and protestations from Cru fans that was shelved too about a week later....

That was a considerable amount of time before Rochdale entered partnership with Saints - and lo and behold a Saints coach is appointed and established people at Hornets head for the door in frustration Stankevitch being one of them who was trying to push your club forward....

You have to admit that the comments that Ian Talbot is 'his own man' are at best hopeful.... He even used dual reg players in per-season friendlies when you have a first team squad of THIRTY FIVE players. How can he turn to Sants players for a friendly and leave 20 odd players without a game?

It is niaeve in the extreme to imagine that Ian Talbots selection isn't influenced by his bosses who want to ensure game time for their SL players.... I totally get why you wouldn't want to accept that but it's a fact in this type of DR agreement....

With regards to the Stanky bit, the link up with Saints had nothing whatsoever to do with John leaving the club. John resigned from the head coach role to take up a role at Hornets.

Not long after his start as chief executive it was made pretty clear that the role didn't warrant a full time position. I guess Stanky found this restricting. So I've no idea why the saints link would affect his decision?

Other players that left. Leather, Bloomfield, Middlehurst, Hobson where all offered terms of some sort, I suspect reduced as Hornets had there eye on replacements who again & I'm sorry to dissapoint had nothing to do with St Helens Sutton, Langley, Thompson etc.

Again I said in an earlier post. I think this is a case of Always Cru having a small amount of info and now he's expert.

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Who said anything about Whitehaven? Clearly they couldn't take them over, they're two and a half hours away!!!

Far easier to take over the weaker club that's just down the road... Come on Rochdale, grow a pair and stand on your own two feet!

If you can't do it in Chamoionship One with players on a couple of hundred quid a game what ON EARTH are you trying to get in the Championship for?

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Who said anything about Whitehaven? Clearly they couldn't take them over, they're two and a half hours away!!!

Far easier to take over the weaker club that's just down the road... Come on Rochdale, grow a pair and stand on your own two feet!

If you can't do it in Chamoionship One with players on a couple of hundred quid a game what ON EARTH are you trying to get in the Championship for?

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I get the feeeling that we all wont look back on this piece of Hornets history with much fondness in future years. Lets scrub the co-operative and ask Local Businesses to set up a limited company. If its not working its not working lets find something that will.

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Who said anything about Whitehaven? Clearly they couldn't take them over, they're two and a half hours away!!!

Far easier to take over the weaker club that's just down the road... Come on Rochdale, grow a pair and stand on your own two feet!

If you can't do it in Chamoionship One with players on a couple of hundred quid a game what ON EARTH are you trying to get in the Championship for?

What has distance got to do with it?

You said that if Saints were to enter into a partnership and if they decided that a SL player needed game time, then he was playing. No ifs or buts.

I mentioned Whitehaven because we have a partnership with them.

If Saints felt so strongly about insisting that Saints players should be automatically picked, then why did they not include this in the agreement with Whitehaven? Why do it with one club and not the other. Its got nothing to do with being a weak or a strong club. Surely the stipulation would be an underlying principle of any partnership agreement regardless of who the club is. We didn't do it with Whitehaven and we didn't do it with Rochdale either.

I am sorry that your club lied to you over this issue. I can see why your pretty worked up over the whole thing. :)

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I get the feeeling that we all wont look back on this piece of Hornets history with much fondness in future years. Lets scrub the co-operative and ask Local Businesses to set up a limited company. If its not working its not working lets find something that will.

because last time there was a really long queue waiting to get involved the co operative model does work and local business can still get involved if they wish

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I rerpeat,according to he club website under membership it says

"Your input is vital to helping Rochdale Hornets grow and if you take out co-ownership, for as little as £20 per season, you have a chance to drive the club forward and get your ideas listened to, and adopted. As a Club co-owner/member you will have a say in how it's run, submit suggestions, discuss these at members meetings where everyone's opinions are debated and voted on, and therefore influence the direction the club takes and, if you want to, even stand for election onto the club Board. Everyone has an opinion, and all are equally valued here at Hornets. As a member driven club no-one member has more say than another, whatever membership you have taken out for the season you have an equal say in members meetings where club policies are decided."

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because last time there was a really long queue waiting to get involved the co operative model does work and local business can still get involved if they wish

Although the concept is nice - a group of supporters running their club it is unsustainable - Supporters Clubs are there for that. Getting involved in making sandwiches, selling programmes, raffle tickets and such like. One thing that does not happen is the large influx of cash - vital.

Other RL clubs won’t touch our model with a barge pole - unless I can be proved wrong. I openly admit I thought it was a good idea but I dont now, as the model cannot fund ambition but it does massage ego's.

List me issues I've had the chance to vote on apart from Board members - policy ones?

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Although the concept is nice - a group of supporters running their club it is unsustainable - Supporters Clubs are there for that. Getting involved in making sandwiches, selling programmes, raffle tickets and such like. One thing that does not happen is the large influx of cash - vital.

Other RL clubs won’t touch our model with a barge pole - unless I can be proved wrong. I openly admit I thought it was a good idea but I dont now, as the model cannot fund ambition but it does massage ego's.

List me issues I've had the chance to vote on apart from Board members - policy ones?

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Hunslet are run by the fans for sure and and I think Hemel.

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With regards to the Stanky bit, the link up with Saints had nothing whatsoever to do with John leaving the club. John resigned from the head coach role to take up a role at Hornets.

Just for clarity purposes, I just thought I'd confirm that I WAS always going to take a break from coaching this season, at any Rugby League club, and I made the decision at the beginning of the 2012 season.

Having been involved in the Professional game for 17 years as a player and coach, myself and my family felt it was the right time for me to freshen my mind and spend time on other projects, otherwise I was in danger of losing the plot!

I was doing some work for the club away from the lads, but that didn't work out and after a month or so, it was clear that I needed to take a complete break.

I didn't have anything at all to do with the appointment of the coaching staff or the contracting of players (other than giving my opinions of each of the 2012 squad, to the new coaches)

From the horses mouth as they say ;)

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Hunslet are run by the fans for sure and and I think Hemel.

Cheers PD thanks for the info, perhaps its about time we find out how they are running their model, ours is run by people who always wanted to be Directors but did'nt actually have the money so perhaps their is where the flaw is. Lets find out. If they wanted to run the club they could have bought Rochdale Hornets 1871 for about 20k but instead they sent it bust. Lets do some digging,

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not sure any of the current directors sent the old club bust has none were involved in an official capacity at the time if this model fails (I don't think it will) then there will be no Rochdale Hornets but I suspect that's what you and your like would want

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Lakeside: if ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest man alive.

What a silly post, you maybe in favor of the set up... so tell us why instead of posting childish stuff.

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Lakeside. Bit strong claiming that the current board sent the old club bust.

As I remember it was the directors of Hornets 1871 that put it into administration after they couldn't pay a £55k tax bill, nothing to do with the current setup. It actually transpired that they'd actually run up debts if a whopping £190k again nothing to do with the current setup.

The current board were also not responsible for what effectively turned out to be selling Hornets biggest asset, their share if Spotland, possibly worth in the millions of pounds for fifty thousand.

If that all amounts to good business from so called business men/women then I'll stick with the Co-op if its all the same.

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Lakeside. Bit strong claiming that the current board sent the old club bust.

As I remember it was the directors of Hornets 1871 that put it into administration after they couldn't pay a £55k tax bill, nothing to do with the current setup. It actually transpired that they'd actually run up debts if a whopping £190k again nothing to do with the current setup.

The current board were also not responsible for what effectively turned out to be selling Hornets biggest asset, their share if Spotland, possibly worth in the millions of pounds for fifty thousand.

If that all amounts to good business from so called business men/women then I'll stick with the Co-op if its all the same.

If the rumors are correct we will know alot more about what is / was fact / fiction very soon lets keep an open mind

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.....and if there aren't any rumours we could always create some.

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After all thats been said about the Saints link-up it pales into insignificance when you see a score line of OLDHAM 18 - HORNETS 28.

Real supporters care more about the results on the field than club politics, we have elected members to oversee the running of the club and so be it.

More results like the Good Friday one please lads......BEAUTIFUL :)

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