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Is there still a plan in place to reduce the overseas quota? What are the current amount in each SL team?

I count 6 in the Bradford Bulls:

1 minor Country International - Sammut

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Wire - 4 - Monaghan x2, Waterhouse, Hodgson - That should be the maximum imho, ideally 1 less than this.

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For Trintiy:

Non Fed

Tim Smith

Justin Poore

Paul Aiton

Dean Collis

Exempt

Vince Mellars

Ali Lauitiiti

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Is there still a plan in place to reduce the overseas quota? What are the current amount in each SL team?

I count 6 in the Bradford Bulls:

1 minor Country International - Sammut

Does Sammut still count on the dispensation from the Crusaders fallout? Was it for just one season or the length of the contract? Genuinely don't know

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here here, how can we possibly produce quality home grown players when clubs (including widnes) persist in filling their teams with antipodeans, thankfully the 5 players we signed close season are all british......

we have:

isa

ah van

phelps

hanbury

cross

cahill

winterstien

but eventually i would like to see them replaced by british players....

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here here, how can we possibly produce quality home grown players when clubs (including widnes) persist in filling their teams with antipodeans, thankfully the 5 players we signed close season are all british......

we have:

isa

ah van

phelps

hanbury

cross

cahill

winterstien

but eventually i would like to see them replaced by british players....

You might want to keep that quiet, the maximum number of overseas players allowed is 5...

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Wire - 4 - Monaghan x2, Waterhouse, Hodgson - That should be the maximum imho, ideally 1 less than this.

Plus aren't 2 Internationals?

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Does Sammut still count on the dispensation from the Crusaders fallout? Was it for just one season or the length of the contract? Genuinely don't know

Likewise don't know. I'm classing my list as "overseas born".

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Each Club shall be entitled to register only the Quota of "overseas Players" in all squads set out below in each season save for those Clubs which are granted an exemption in such form as the Board shall decide:

Maximum Number of Overseas Players (2008 onwards)

Super League Clubs - 5

Championship Clubs - 1

Championship 1 Clubs - 2

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here here, how can we possibly produce quality home grown players when clubs (including widnes) persist in filling their teams with antipodeans, thankfully the 5 players we signed close season are all british......

we have:

isa

ah van

phelps

hanbury

cross

cahill

winterstien

but eventually i would like to see them replaced by british players....

You might want to keep that quiet, the maximum number of overseas players allowed is 5...

The ex-Crusaders are exempt for their contract length.

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The ex-Crusaders are exempt for their contract length.

Am I right in thinking that's hanbury, cahill, winterstien?

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Did someone say something?

(Err, yes, I think it is those three, Lloyd White is Welsh)

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You might want to keep that quiet, the maximum number of overseas players allowed is 5...

Anyone with an EU passport doesn't count.

Nor Kolpak players - largely (but not exclusively) from Fiji, Samoa or Tonga.

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Does Sammut still count on the dispensation from the Crusaders fallout? Was it for just one season or the length of the contract? Genuinely don't know

Isn't Sammut Maltese ? :mellow:

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Isn't Sammut Maltese ? :mellow:

He's a Maltese international so I assume he has an EU passport and as such would be exempt from the quota. Hull KR were trying to get Michale Vella and Ben Galea on an EU passport due to their Maltese heritage. I'm not sure how succesful they were.

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Anyone with an EU passport doesn't count.

Nor Kolpak players - largely (but not exclusively) from Fiji, Samoa or Tonga.

I think they come under non-fed trained though, i.e NRL.

5 overseas, 5 non-fed trained, but a player can be both or just non-fed trained... like Kolpak.

And there is also 8 from other clubs over 21. I think.

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I think they come under non-fed trained though, i.e NRL.

5 overseas, 5 non-fed trained, but a player can be both or just non-fed trained... like Kolpak.

And there is also 8 from other clubs over 21. I think.

Confused? You will be.

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It's so there's an amount that are classed as homegrown or club trained, one or the other. I dunno, they got rid of that page when they did a new SL website.

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An “overseas Player” is one who cannot produce satisfactory evidence to the RFL that he is a Professional Player in accordance with the EU Rules guaranteeing the free movement of workers and that either:

  1. he is an EU National; or
  2. he is entitled to be lawfully employed in England as a professional rugby league Player pursuant to a valid work permit and is a National of a country which is party to either an Association Agreement, Europe Agreement or the Cotonou Agreement with the EU; or
  3. that he is a National of a country which is a current Full or Associate Member of the RLEF and has been resident in that country for four years and is a bona fide registered Player who has played a minimum of five domestic league or cup games in a domestic competition in that Full or Associate Member’s country.

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Didn't they look to get round the legalities of banning overseas players by having only 5 'non-fed trained players'?

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Does Sammut still count on the dispensation from the Crusaders fallout? Was it for just one season or the length of the contract? Genuinely don't know

No, but his EU passport means that he is entitled to work in the UK.

He was given some form of additional dispensation by the RFL because of the problems at Bradford - something to do with it being a voluntary cap on fed-trained, but Bradford having no owners at the time meant that he would be getting penalised by not being able to sign (and he couldn't be because of the passport).

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It's good to see that after 5 years people still don't understand the overseas rules!

You are allowed 5 players that are on the quota (so EU players and Kolpaks don't count).

You are also allowed 5 non-federation trained players (ie players that were trained in another country).

These players can be on one list or both lists, but you can only have 5 on each list.

(e.g. Hame Lauaki would be quota exempt because he's Tongan, but he'd be classed as non-fed).

Then there are the exemptions.

Anyone signed before 2008 is exempt from the non-fed list (as it was deemed unfair that they signed here before these new rulings came in and this would unfairly affect their career choice).

Former Crusaders players from 2011 are exempt so the could find work (to take the bitterness away from the fiasco that was!).

Think that's about it.

See. Simple!

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As for reducing the overseas quota to one... Why?!

I don't understand this logic that people have that the best way to produce players is for them to play in SL and that's it. There is nothing wrong with having overseas players to improve the quality and intensity of the league. That's what will ultimately improve the SL. The NRL has tonnes of Kiwis and other overseas players but it doesn't stop the Aussies being awesome.

SL needs quality, not quantity of players. The issue isn't that we've been signing overseas players. It's been that we've been signing ###### overseas players.

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It's good to see that after 5 years people still don't understand the overseas rules!

You are allowed 5 players that are on the quota (so EU players and Kolpaks don't count).

You are also allowed 5 non-federation trained players (ie players that were trained in another country).

These players can be on one list or both lists, but you can only have 5 on each list.

(e.g. Hame Lauaki would be quota exempt because he's Tongan, but he'd be classed as non-fed).

Then there are the exemptions.

Anyone signed before 2008 is exempt from the non-fed list (as it was deemed unfair that they signed here before these new rulings came in and this would unfairly affect their career choice).

Former Crusaders players from 2011 are exempt so the could find work (to take the bitterness away from the fiasco that was!).

Think that's about it.

See. Simple!

I know, I've already said most of that.

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