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Seems those lot that rent the same stadium as we do, whilst sitting in their ivory tower slagging off Swinton, have entered into a partnership with the pies. their sworn enemy.

i expect Phil H and the rest of the lobby gobblers to come up with some reason for it being different to our.

however.........i have one word. HYPOCRITES!

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Seems those lot that rent the same stadium as we do, whilst sitting in their ivory tower slagging off Swinton, have entered into a partnership with the pies. their sworn enemy.i expect Phil H and the rest of the lobby gobblers to come up with some reason for it being different to our.however.........i have one word. HYPOCRITES!
Wind your neck in numpty until you know the facts, until then I ve got one word *****..... now jog on back down the east lancs with the rest of the mongs....bye...

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Touched a nerve have i numb nuts. see you good Friday lol

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Touched a nerve have i numb nuts. see you good Friday lol

Gump I'll be at the LSV on easter monday, bye for now wolf boy....

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Gump I'll be at the LSV on easter monday, bye for now wolf boy....

seeing as pie seems to be on the menu, would you like a large slice of humble?

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The details of how they intend to use the agreement are irrelevant

Its been firmly established that the opponents to this dual registration scheme cannot argue that is anything but within the rules and the only point of disagreement is the moral one. Is it right and is it good for the club?

No doubt they will try and argue that their dual reg agreement is different. That doesn't matter.

Lots of humble pie to be eaten

They obviously got their sums wrong pre season. Signed a squad based on projected income and have fallen well short on attendances leaving a big deficit

How a club as well run and well supported can make such a bssic error has dumbfounded me

Mr demon bartholomew smythe etc can only resort to abuse in return now as they realise how silly they look.

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I really enjoy waking up to find I've been labelled a "mong".

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So, all the time I've "not been getting it" it seems I have been getting it........only we got it first because we didn't hang about and pontificate on the ethics, knowing full well everyone else would eventually!

Seems like the only clubs that didn't do it is because they have super league aspirations and it wouldn't look good on the CV.

Where does that now leave 'Be-Leigh-ve'?

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Their RLFans site is rather funny. they are all saying its different for them. hahahah. Which do you prefer Wigan Centurions or Leigh Warriors? I think i prefer the Leigan Ostriches!

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Fascinating and rather sad. Leigh appear to have signed the same agreement as Swinton but with an "understanding" (guidance) that it will only be used for under 23's. Oh that must be okay then.

The moral high ground has been whipped from beneath their feet.

The difference to Leigh's - We have had two "returning to fitness" over 23's (Wood and Bridge) who played one game each and then Tyrone McCarthy (who has played most games this season (5?) as he cannot get in the Warrington matchday squad)

So not a great deal of difference there then.

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it wont matter anyhow because the majority of Wigans promising under 23's are playing down at South Scorpions so they will have very little left to choose from. However you could very well find they get used for the over 23's coming back from injurys

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Hopefully all the Yorkshire Puddings will now move to the Leigh Warriors forum.

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Controversial news about Swinton gets a huge response. ...from our regular contributors and leigh fans....

The same news about leigh.....and where are they now?

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What a very sad thread. Lots of nasty personal abuse. Bad news as regards Leigh. Topped off with Paucl's little nugget that one of the biggest names in RL cannot stage a scheduled home match in its own town, presumably because of the god that is football.

All it means on a personal front is that I don't want to watch Warrington reserves masquerading as Swinton Lions, nor do I want to see Wigan reserves masquerading as Leigh Centurions. So I'll watch what happens next and if it feels to me that Leigh are also taking partnering too far, watching them won't have any appeal either.

A very sad scenario at Leigh, as they have done a lot of things right and its still very much a rugby league town, but supporter numbers have been stubborn to rise. If they cannot get much above 1,400 what hope is there for the other semi pro clubs?

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Taking it too far?

You're personal conditions are less stringent cos big Trevs a mate?

Conditional opposition to a moral conundrum . I like it.

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Taking it too far?

You're personal conditions are less stringent cos big Trevs a mate?

Conditional opposition to a moral conundrum . I like it.

The personal condition is the same.

Trevor Barton is not a "mate" but it is true that I would have greater faith in Trevor Barton to protect the identity and integrity of Leigh Centurions than I would his present counterparts at the Lions. That said it comes down to the track record of actions rather than words.

If his actions re; partnering leave me with the impression Leigh is being morphed into Wigan reserves, that doesn't appeal to me.

I wasn't fully comfortable with the basic Dual Registration concept last season, but with the limit of 4 sourced from various other clubs it didn't feel as though the fundamental identity of the side was being changed.

This year the Swinton side has become 50% Warrington players. Training has transferred to Padgate. Established Warrington first teamers have been allowed to play for Swinton Lions as an exercise in match fitness. Steve McCormack's resigned and his replacement is a Warrington man to the core. And most important of all - still no tangible progress with Agecroft and no evident plan of how any of this helps develop Swinton Lions in its own right.

If that lot isn't enough to make someone think twice, what would be? The end result for me has been that watching the team just doesn't feel the same.

As things stand John and Paul Kidd have taken the partnership concept considerably further than any other club. They have gone to the limit of the rules and then found a way to push beyond those rules. There are some important differences in the way and extent to which different clubs have adopted partnering.

I hate the entire concept though. Perhaps I've reached the end of watching RL altogether. It seems to be losing sight of the reasons why I enjoyed being involved with it.

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So it is conditional or it isn't?

Looks to me like the kidds have actually stolen a march on this occasion.

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So it is conditional or it isn't?

Looks to me like the kidds have actually stolen a march on this occasion.

My support is of the conditional variety.

Its a question of whether I get that feeling in the guts - this just isn't right - then that's the decision made.

Question is (and its one for the game as a whole) - Is partnering being done as a means to an end, or is it the end in itself?

As for the Kidds stealing a march - if the passage of time shows the future of the semi pro game is one of feeder teams you stand to be proven right. That's not something that has any appeal on a personal level. Looking at it another way - perhaps they were the first lemmings over the cliff?

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Thats really the same argument as before

The point being here that leigh and yourself were dead against dual reg

Now its ok conditionally?

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The very concept of SL has created disenfranchised clubs in meaningless competitions on its outside, and led inevitably to the economic situation which has necessitated the creation of these "partnerships". It is the relentless begining of the end if your team happens to be on the outside of SL. If fans are comfortable with the realities of forever being on the outside they will continue to support their club. If not, one by one they will continue to drop off, thus proving to SL minds that no club currently on the outside is worthy of elevation. A catch 22. I won't stop supporting the Lions, but I fear for the future.

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The personal condition is the same.

Trevor Barton is not a "mate" but it is true that I would have greater faith in Trevor Barton to protect the identity and integrity of Leigh Centurions than I would his present counterparts at the Lions. That said it comes down to the track record of actions rather than words.

If his actions re; partnering leave me with the impression Leigh is being morphed into Wigan reserves, that doesn't appeal to me.

I wasn't fully comfortable with the basic Dual Registration concept last season, but with the limit of 4 sourced from various other clubs it didn't feel as though the fundamental identity of the side was being changed.

This year the Swinton side has become 50% Warrington players. Training has transferred to Padgate. Established Warrington first teamers have been allowed to play for Swinton Lions as an exercise in match fitness. Steve McCormack's resigned and his replacement is a Warrington man to the core. And most important of all - still no tangible progress with Agecroft and no evident plan of how any of this helps develop Swinton Lions in its own right.

If that lot isn't enough to make someone think twice, what would be? The end result for me has been that watching the team just doesn't feel the same.

As things stand John and Paul Kidd have taken the partnership concept considerably further than any other club. They have gone to the limit of the rules and then found a way to push beyond those rules. There are some important differences in the way and extent to which different clubs have adopted partnering.

I hate the entire concept though. Perhaps I've reached the end of watching RL altogether. It seems to be losing sight of the reasons why I enjoyed being involved with it.

Phil - Correct me if I am wrong but haven't John and Paul applied DR within the rules, even though you may not agree with how it has been applied

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Phil - Correct me if I am wrong but haven't John and Paul applied DR within the rules, even though you may not agree with how it has been applied

In my view the registering of 6 players initially on Dual Registration only to then be signed on 12 month deals was a cynical work around designed to maximise the number of Warrington players that could be fielded for Swinton Lions.

Consequently the team in recent weeks has featured 8 or 9 Warrington players out of the 17.

This is what I mean by pushing beyond the rules.

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But they aren't pushing beyond the rules, those Warrington players are now Swinton players just as much as Armstrong and Higson were last season. But once again that doesn't fit your argument so you choose to exclude that fact.

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Thats really the same argument as before

The point being here that leigh and yourself were dead against dual reg

Now its ok conditionally?

Why shouldn't it be the same argument as before? Its the same issue being discussed. If I were to have said anything different, you'd straight away accuse me of being inconsistent. If you ask the same question, why should it be a shock to get the same answer?

To the best of my knowledge, no Leigh Centurions official has ever said that club was "dead against dual reg". Leigh Centurions have used several players in that way in recent years. The accord they signed with Featherstone, Sheffield and Halifax didn't condemn Dual Registration out of hand - it was an attempt to set out some basic rules to protect the integrity of the Championship as a competition and to try and prevent clubs becoming feeder teams.

On a personal level I have never been totally comfortable with the concept of Dual Registration. However I have followed Swinton Lions when they had Warren Thompson in 2011 then stepped things up in 2012. Although I was always wary of Dual Registration and the impact it might have, in the event it was applied (with Adam Walker, Scott Hale, Glenn Riley and Carl Forster) in a way that didn't threaten the fundamental identity of the side. Reasons being; there was a limit of 4; the players came to Swinton Lions from a variety of other clubs; the players concerned were young emerging talent; the players were available to Swinton all season (subject to injury). On an odd occasion Forster was recalled by Saints and when that happened it didn't sit very comfortably, but overall the way I felt about watching the team didn't change too much.

So - while I've never liked Dual Registration as a concept, and my ideal solution would be to get rid of it altogether, when it was done *within limits* I tolerated it.

However this season its been taken a lot further, with this new concept of Partnering. Partnering is another level up. Its Dual Registration and some. I went to the pre-season friendlies, only to find that the way I felt about watching the side had changed. To me this was becoming a Warrington reserve side, running out in Swinton Lions shirts. That didn't happen in 2012 despite there being at times 4 Dual Registered players in the side. The feeling also came from knowing about other things that were going on - such as training being moved to Padgate.

I guess I have a threshold level and in 2012 it wasn't crossed, but in 2013 it has been. It remains to be seen whether Leigh's version with Wigan is above or below that same threshold! I'd rather no clubs at all were drawn into Partnership though.

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