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The Black Card

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Here's a novel idea to combat the professional foul, introduced for 2014 by the GAA.

Commit a professional foul (there are five specific offences listed), and you get a black card. You go off but you get subbed.

A team is allowed three black cards. After that, you're just off - no sub.

Discuss. :)

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Depends on what the offences are. They can only refer to technical offences otherwise its a free reign at Foul Play.

Foul play's still covered by your soccer system of reds and yellows.

The interesting comment is that refs would be less reluctant to give a black card, knowing that the team wouldn't be reduced to 14 men.

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5. Arguing with match official in an aggressive manner.

The way we are going this might help.

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If the ref brings any more cards out Wigan would sign Paul Daniels.

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Thanks for that bit of research. The offences certainly aren't what I'd have listed myself.

No research. As a follower of gaelic games I was looking at this yesterday.

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Consistency from the refs would help.

It will happen when players and supporters are consistent. :)

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I always have trouble remembering this, but is there only certain offences that allow a yellow card to be issued? Im sure its only professional fouls (although fighting is included in this too).

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IMO yellow and red cards are enough, for being aggressive towards an official should be a red.

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Hmm - maybe we're getting too hung up on card colours. A wider point might be whether to allow a substitute for a player sent off.

Advantages (maybe)

a. Sometimes spoils the game as a contest if players are sent off

b. Referees might be less reluctant to send a player off early in the game because of (a) above

c. Players might be more careful early in the game because of (B) above

d. Teams are still handicapped by having less subs, but not so dramatically

Disadvantages

a. Not how we've traditionally dealt with it

I'm not sold on it either way.

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Hmm - maybe we're getting too hung up on card colours. A wider point might be whether to allow a substitute for a player sent off.

Advantages (maybe)

a. Sometimes spoils the game as a contest if players are sent off

b. Referees might be less reluctant to send a player off early in the game because of (a) above

c. Players might be more careful early in the game because of ( B) above

d. Teams are still handicapped by having less subs, but not so dramatically

Disadvantages

a. Not how we've traditionally dealt with it

I'm not sold on it either way.

Big problem with this suggestion is:

Team A player knocks Team B player out with late, high challenge.

Team A player is sent off, sub comes on, Team A have one less sub to use.

Team B player is injured and cannot continue, Team B have one less sub to use.

Team A average player was told to take Team B star player out.

Team A now have an advantage over Team B despite having a man sent off.

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Big problem with this suggestion is:

Team A player knocks Team B player out with late, high challenge.

Team A player is sent off, sub comes on, Team A have one less sub to use.

Team B player is injured and cannot continue, Team B have one less sub to use.

Team A average player was told to take Team B star player out.

Team A now have an advantage over Team B despite having a man sent off.

True.

On the other hand, under the current rules ......

Team A player gets sent off early in game.

Team B gain unexpected win as a result of having the extra man.

Team C who weren't even there, get relegated as a result.

You can always invent a scenario to prove your point.

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You can always invent a scenario to prove your point.

Appreciate that but if a player commits a foul that warrants a sending off, I dont see how its any punishment to the team if they can bring a sub on to replace them.

Leeds didnt even use one of their subs against catalans despite being down to 12 men on the pitch with two others injured during the game! For me it would potentially see teams targetting players to get them out the game without fear of really going a man down.

As a slight aside, what has been suggested before is that if a player is injured by foul play and cannot return to the field for that game, then an 18th man can be used so as not to disadvantage the team that suffered the injury.

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Appreciate that but if a player commits a foul that warrants a sending off, I dont see how its any punishment to the team if they can bring a sub on to replace them.

Should you punish the team or the player ?

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It will happen when players and supporters are consistent. :)

Players and fans are always consistent.

Players will always try to steal an advantage [if the ref is prepared to let them, and some are more 'prepared' than others; hence the inconsistency] and fans will always feel the ref is against them [whatever he does], how consistent do you want them to be?

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Players and fans are always consistent.

Players will always try to steal an advantage [if the ref is prepared to let them, and some are more 'prepared' than others; hence the inconsistency] and fans will always feel the ref is against them [whatever he does], how consistent do you want them to be?

:lol: :lol:

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Should you punish the team or the player ?

It's the punished player who has punished his team mates and if you replaced a punished player with a team mate wouldn't hit men creep back into the game and wouldn't the class players be targetted by their opposition.

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It's the punished player who has punished his team mates and if you replaced a punished player with a team mate wouldn't hit men creep back into the game and wouldn't the class players be targetted by their opposition.

Fair point. But the punishment varies depending on how far the incident is into the game.

And unconnected teams may be punished too - see scenario above.

I still haven't decided which side I'm on here. :wacko:

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