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29/03/13 - Wigan Warriors v St Helens - KO 12.15pm

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Referee: R Silverwood

Touch Judge: C Kendall

Touch Judge: G Stokes

Reserve: J Callaghan

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Video Referee: P Bentham

Time Keeper: A Mills

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Really looking forward to this. Our backs look good this year, and our forwards seem to have found a way to compensate for a lack of size, so am feeling fairly confident. That said, derbies are strange beasts...

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Hope this turns out to be a good scrap, seeing as it's the curtain raiser to the main event.

The mullering of Widnes might be not such a good thing for the Pies. A good win before a "derby" (pah! :rolleyes::D ) usually means a defeat against your worst enemy.. Saints will be well up for it so I'm gonna tip them for the spoils.

Wigan 22 Saints 26.

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Looking forward to this. I have been very impressed with Wigan so far and how they have combined as a team; young and inexperienced but very well coached and performing much better than expected in my opinion. Saints will have to match them early on up front and move the ball quickly in order to create the Wigan defence issues. If we play like we did at Warrington, I can see us winning in a tight game. If we don't, I can see Wigan murdering us...

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Really looking forward to this. Our backs look good this year, and our forwards seem to have found a way to compensate for a lack of size, so am feeling fairly confident. That said, derbies are strange beasts...

EW's got a point about Wigan having such a strong system making up for season on season player losses. They have really surprised me this year.

Saints still have some big game performances in them for sure, and history shows us these games can go either way.

I'll go for a pies close win with Brown picking LMS on the wing and Wellens at prop. He could do worse (and did so at Huddersfield).

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EW's got a point about Wigan having such a strong system making up for season on season player losses. They have really surprised me this year.

It is a system that every club in the league should be looking to emulate. Trust in the players coming through your system and develop them... it takes time to set up but Wigan this year show it is reaping the dividends.

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It is a system that every club in the league should be looking to emulate. Trust in the players coming through your system and develop them... it takes time to set up but Wigan this year show it is reaping the dividends.

Top post, I'd love warrington to be in wigans position, with loads of talented LOCAL kids.... Shame on us all... IMHO

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It is a system that every club in the league should be looking to emulate. Trust in the players coming through your system and develop them... it takes time to set up but Wigan this year show it is reaping the dividends.

Allegedly Saints already have such a system. It's just that we don't seem to convert the process into first team players very well, not least because we seem to hoard antipodeans.

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Allegedly Saints already have such a system. It's just that we don't seem to convert the process into first team players very well, not least because we seem to hoard antipodeans.

Well it is obvious we don't have a similar system. We are able to produce good young players but lack the most important part of the Wigan model and that is the ability to bring those players through into the first team and ensure they develop through good coaching and 'faith' in their abilities to do the business. The likes of Crosby, Thornley, Flower, Farrell, Smith (!) etc are thriving this year on the faith and confidence that Wane and Lenaghan have placed in them. ALL clubs should be looking to emulate this; the game in the UK would improve immensely in my opinion.

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Well it is obvious we don't have a similar system. We are able to produce good young players but lack the most important part of the Wigan model and that is the ability to bring those players through into the first team and ensure they develop through good coaching and 'faith' in their abilities to do the business. The likes of Crosby, Thornley, Flower, Farrell, Smith (!) etc are thriving this year on the faith and confidence that Wane and Lenaghan have placed in them. ALL clubs should be looking to emulate this; the game in the UK would improve immensely in my opinion.

Its persistence, hard work, long term planning, good coaching and solid management through the organisation. A different culture which is the complete flip side to how the club was run just six or seven years ago. A reasonable crop of young players at that time - O'Loughlin and Hock aside, failed to establish themselves long term at Wigan despite flashes of potential due to a over-reliance on ageing stars and quick fix overseas players.

Saints are by no means in the same situation, but there are some parallels with Wigan circa 2003 - 2008 in terms of holding on to players past their prime and persisting with under performing overseas players. Lomax is clearly a star, but it would be also good for the game for Gaskell, Makinson, Percival, Wheeler, Percival, Charnock, Ashe and Walmsley to get more game time when available. Saints can hardly be considered paupers in terms of youth development though having also produced the likes of Roby, Graham, Clough and Jones fairly recently.

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Top post, I'd love warrington to be in wigans position, with loads of talented LOCAL kids.... Shame on us all... IMHO

These things take time - it's been a five year project to far. Warrington have nothing to be ashamed of, they are in a different part of the cycle with a lot of talented but ageing players in a very good team. Youth will have to play a part in the replacement over the next few years and even excluding young imports such as Myler, Hill and Ratchford, Warrington are far better than in the past with the likes of Riley, O'Brien, Harrison, Dwyer, McCarthy, Laithwaite, Evans, Currie, Cooper all having come through the system. They'll all get more game time once the old guard drift away.

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These things take time - it's been a five year project to far. Warrington have nothing to be ashamed of, they are in a different part of the cycle with a lot of talented but ageing players in a very good team. Youth will have to play a part in the replacement over the next few years and even excluding young imports such as Myler, Hill and Ratchford, Warrington are far better than in the past with the likes of Riley, O'Brien, Harrison, Dwyer, McCarthy, Laithwaite, Evans, Currie, Cooper all having come through the system. They'll all get more game time once the old guard drift away.

Totally agree, we're in a better position than we ever had, still be nice to see more locals, but that's been discussed to death.

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Seriously thinking of travelling down to Wigan on Friday, can anybody tell me if i can pick up a ticket for the saints end at Wigan club shop/ticket office if I order over the phone or on-line? Also can you sit anywhere in the stand?

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There are less than 200 tickets left for the home sections of the crowd and I believe less than 2000 remaining overall. I wouldn't risk setting off without a ticket if I was you.

Try the wigan site for more details

Thanks for the link, just read you can order on-line and pick up tickets at ticket office.

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Thanks for the link, just read you can order on-line and pick up tickets at ticket office.

Yes I've done that myself a few times. There is usually a fair queue at the ticket office so don't leave ticket collection to the last minute. Its pretty good though.

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Wigan squad: Greg Burke, Josh Charnley, Dom Crosby, Liam Farrell, Ben Flower, Darrell Goulding, Blake Green, Jack Hughes, Rhodri Lloyd, Michael McIlorum, Sean O'Loughlin, Pat Richards, Tom Spencer, Matty Smith, Scott Taylor, Iain Thornley, Logan Tomkins, Sam Tomkins, Chris Tuson.

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Wigan squad: Greg Burke, Josh Charnley, Dom Crosby, Liam Farrell, Ben Flower, Darrell Goulding, Blake Green, Jack Hughes, Rhodri Lloyd, Michael McIlorum, Sean O'Loughlin, Pat Richards, Tom Spencer, Matty Smith, Scott Taylor, Iain Thornley, Logan Tomkins, Sam Tomkins, Chris Tuson.

hrm I thought Luaki might be back for this one. Whilst I don't rate him massively he would have added a bit of size and experience.

I think this might be one match too far for the wigan youngsters with such a lightweight and inexperienced pack. At least O'loughlin is playing. Thats a very young pack.

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hrm I thought Luaki might be back for this one. Whilst I don't rate him massively he would have added a bit of size and experience.

I think this might be one match too far for the wigan youngsters with such a lightweight and inexperienced pack. At least O'loughlin is playing. Thats a very young pack.

Spirit of 2002 (2003?) and all that.

Stevo has already bought the Tissot.

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We can only hope! :)

But if that does happen then I hope we keep a greater percentage of these players than we did those! I guess I'm more confident about that now!

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Well it is obvious we don't have a similar system. We are able to produce good young players but lack the most important part of the Wigan model and that is the ability to bring those players through into the first team and ensure they develop through good coaching and 'faith' in their abilities to do the business.

Well, that's what I said! ;) But just because either our recruitment to the first team is wrong (the Board?) or our coaches aren't good enough to incorporate the youth into the first team doesn't mean our youth development system is wrong. It means the club's attitude to the first team is wrong.

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Well, that's what I said! ;) But just because either our recruitment to the first team is wrong (the Board?) or our coaches aren't good enough to incorporate the youth into the first team doesn't mean our youth development system is wrong. It means the club's attitude to the first team is wrong.

Do you think Brown is going to help improve this? I haven't seen Saints enough this year to know.

I know when Lenegan took Maguire on, his remit was to bring Wigan youth through, I would hope Macmanus (not sure on spelling sorry) might have done the same.

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