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Labour's last chance gone?

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As for labour, they are very lucky to be opposing a government making so many mistakes, U-turns and infighting. It means they can attack the coalition for their cuts to welfare whilst supporting them at the same time (voting for back dating laws to cover workfare, etc).

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The SDP took votes from Labour and let in the Tories.

Now, UKIP will take votes from the Tories and let in Labour.

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The SDP took votes from Labour and let in the Tories.

Now, UKIP will take votes from the Tories and let in Labour.

UKIP are not the electoral threat that the SDP were; just think of the experience the SDP had on terms of governmental and parliamentary service an then compare... no, maybe don't.

On the other side of the equation, the Tories, while divided and not having much success in government, are not in the state of disarray that Labour were in during the rise of SDP. Many, if not most, of the 'defectors' that say they will vote UKIP in the opinion polls will return at the general election, if only to try and prevent a Labour government.

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When Andrew Lansley announced his plans for the destruction of the NHS after the election the point was raised that they hadn't been included in the Tory manifesto. Cameron insisted that he'd never seen them before and that Lansley had only unveiled them to him after the election.

I can well believe that Cameron hadn't read the manifesto, he's not big on details, but the NHS plans were there in the Tory manifesto.

From the Tory Manifesto:

So we will give every patient the power to choose any healthcare provider that meets NHS standards, within NHS prices. This includes independent, voluntary and community sector providers.

We will strengthen the power of GPs as patients’ expert guides through the health system by: giving them the power to hold patients’ budgets and commission care on their behalf; linking their pay to the quality of their results; and putting them in charge of commissioning local health services.

Alright, there's a weasel words about "independent" providers where it would have been more truthful to put "private companies owned by Tory donors", and of course nobody seriously expected the voluntary providers bit to last into the implementation, but there it is in black and white.

Privatisation of the NHS. People voted for it, and people have got it. They really should have read the small print.

It's also there, more or less, in the coalition agreement as well. Pretty much cut and pasted from the Tory manifesto (I don't think the Lib Dems actually read the coalition agreement before they signed it)

From the Coalition Agreement:

We will strengthen the power of GPs as patients’ expert guides through the health system by enabling them to commission care on their behalf

We will give every patient the power to choose any healthcare provider that meets NHS standards, within NHS prices. This includes independent, voluntary and community sector providers

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UKIP are not the electoral threat that the SDP were; just think of the experience the SDP had on terms of governmental and parliamentary service an then compare... no, maybe don't.

On the other side of the equation, the Tories, while divided and not having much success in government, are not in the state of disarray that Labour were in during the rise of SDP. Many, if not most, of the 'defectors' that say they will vote UKIP in the opinion polls will return at the general election, if only to try and prevent a Labour government.

It's not whether UKIP would make a good government but whether many people will vote for them. They could easily scupper the Tories. One might say that it is poetic justice for being against the alternative vote.

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Doctrinal scare-mongering of the worst sort from what passes as "the Opposition"

Privatisation is generally regarded as "the process of transferring ownership of a business enterprise, agency, public service or public property from the public sector to the private sector". Clearly this is not happening so any suggestion that the NHS has been privatised is incorrect.

We will strengthen the power of GPs as patients’ expert guides through the health system by enabling them to commission care on their behalf. We will give every patient the power to choose any healthcare provider that meets NHS standards, within NHS prices. This includes independent, voluntary and community sector providers.

This is exactly the system I experienced between 1988 and 1999 and lived under in socialist France for 6 years between 1999 and 2005.

In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the WHO found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world.

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Doctrinal scare-mongering of the worst sort from what passes as "the Opposition"

Privatisation is generally regarded as "the process of transferring ownership of a business enterprise, agency, public service or public property from the public sector to the private sector". Clearly this is not happening so any suggestion that the NHS has been privatised is incorrect.

We will strengthen the power of GPs as patients’ expert guides through the health system by enabling them to commission care on their behalf. We will give every patient the power to choose any healthcare provider that meets NHS standards, within NHS prices. This includes independent, voluntary and community sector providers.

This is exactly the system I experienced between 1988 and 1999 and lived under in socialist France for 6 years between 1999 and 2005.

In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the WHO found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world.

Privaisatised is also used in the sense "to make something accountable to the market". And this would be accurate.

It might be scaremongering but it is not entirely dishonest.

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David Milliband has confirmed he is leaving Westminster for a job in America. For mine, he was the only credible candidate to lead Labour in a general election.

Why? Because of his politics or because he is marginally less geeky looking than his brother?

I think MiliD was probably right to assess that after losing the leadership to MiliE, it would be impossible for him to take any kind of front bench role for Labour without people constantly looking for any sign of disagreement between him and the party leader and talking it up its potential for a leadership challenge, even though no one should seriously expect them to agree about everything just because they are brothers, or even members of the same political party. Such is the debasement of our politics which, yes, it could be argued, both Milibands and their New Labour ilk have contributed to over the years. More's the pity.

MiliD could have caused a lot of trouble for MiliE. He's chosen not to. That probably disappoints a lot of political columnists who will have to think up something new to write about in future, but it possibly increases Labour's chances of doing well in 2015 rather than the opposite. Divided parties never prosper. And if they don't do well in 2015, the 'King over the Water' can return as the untainted saviour of his party. It wouldn't surprise me if that thought has gone through his head!

All that said, it would be nice to think the next election will be decided on policy rather than personality, but when you see polls suggesting that the Tories' ratings would be transformed by dumping David Cameron for Boris Johnson, it does seem a somewhat naive hope. No wonder so many people don't bother any more, which is the really depressing part.

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A week is a long time in politics ,that is very true,but after the event of this week I.E the start of the bedroom tax and IDS quoted as saying he could live on 53 quid a week,if Labour are not at least 15points lead in the polls then a working majority will be difficult in 2015.Also if the Tory's succeed in implimenting any for of privatisation in the NHS would Labour repeal it?because they have stated that they cant/wont repeal everything the Tory's have done.

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