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nigel wood bigging super league up and the game of rl

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People like you often make out like you're doing it for balance but its funny how you only ever pop up for negative threads. There are no equivalent thread from you pointing out how great a game was or how well the RFL have done.

It's all one way which is why it gets so much grief. For what it's worth I think crowds are down this year but if it was a reputable poster like Dave T, Wellsy or JohnM doing so then there would be a genuine discussion. Not because there is an in crowd here but because there is an element of trust that they are genuine based on other posts and they aren't just being negative because they for some reason revel in it.

Unfortunately in RL circles there are far too many of the latter and their posts usually sound a lot like yours.

open forum, opinions, more like closed shop. wasnt meant to be overly negative, was meant to be highlighting that squads arent quality/ deep enough for 2 fixtures in such a small space of time, especially when teams already have depleted squads and that certain teams have decreasing gates. sounds like an in crowd to me, and if you think nigel wood and his other members do do enough to big our game up then fair enough, a poxy statement by him thats far from the truth doesnt do much for me. sure friday had some good, close fixtures and true 10 rounds in there has been other close/drawn games, but playing standards arent as high for me. my opinion, but not allowed to mention.

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open forum, opinions, more like closed shop. wasnt meant to be overly negative, was meant to be highlighting that squads arent quality/ deep enough for 2 fixtures in such a small space of time, especially when teams already have depleted squads and that certain teams have decreasing gates. sounds like an in crowd to me, and if you think nigel wood and his other members do do enough to big our game up then fair enough, a poxy statement by him thats far from the truth doesnt do much for me. sure friday had some good, close fixtures and true 10 rounds in there has been other close/drawn games, but playing standards arent as high for me. my opinion, but not allowed to mention.

how is it a 'closed shop', you quite legitimately give your opinion(and others are quite legitimately allowed to disagree with it, or indeed agree with it,) and then you say you're 'not allowed to mention' it. How does that work?

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and if more people delivered their criticism of wood in such an even handed manner they wouldn't be shot down, but DOOM DOOM gets what it deserves

absolutely

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how is it a 'closed shop', you quite legitimately give your opinion(and others are quite legitimately allowed to disagree with it, or indeed agree with it,) and then you say you're 'not allowed to mention' it. How does that work?

"but if it was a reputable poster like Dave T, Wellsy or JohnM doing so then there would be a genuine discussion. Not because there is an in crowd here but because there is an element of trust that they are genuine based on other posts"

no genuine discussion unless your reputable, liked, trusted, agree with everything we say. oh and by the way i dont "revel" in it. i want whats best for rugby league too.

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"but if it was a reputable poster like Dave T, Wellsy or JohnM doing so then there would be a genuine discussion. Not because there is an in crowd here but because there is an element of trust that they are genuine based on other posts"

no genuine discussion unless your reputable, liked, trusted, agree with everything we say. oh and by the way i dont "revel" in it. i want whats best for rugby league too.

what makes a discussion 'genuine' surely is what people have to say, what makes things even more genuine is when people back up what they say with hard information.

nobody is prevented, 'not allowed' to put forward a point of view. I find it bizzarre that you put forward a point of view, then in the next sentence say that you are not allowed to put it forward.

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what makes a discussion 'genuine' surely is what people have to say, what makes things even more genuine is when people back up what they say with hard information.

nobody is prevented, 'not allowed' to put forward a point of view. I find it bizzarre that you put forward a point of view, then in the next sentence say that you are not allowed to put it forward.

hard facts, what quote figures from salford, london attendances. surely you can see that these teams have diminishing crowds this year without putting them on, and the fact that the one sided games on easter monday speak for themselves regarding squad depth/ quality. havent said i cant put a point forward, stated that unless i agree with certain people, everything must be positive, then its dismissed as a none genuine post unless im a reputable person.

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hard facts, what quote figures from salford, london attendances. surely you can see that these teams have diminishing crowds this year without putting them on, and the fact that the one sided games on easter monday speak for themselves regarding squad depth/ quality. havent said i cant put a point forward, stated that unless i agree with certain people, everything must be positive, then its dismissed as a none genuine post unless im a reputable person.

yes I can

for the attendance figures you give to be meaningful, they have to be seen in the context of the entire season, in the context of events for instance the unseasonable weather, but most importantly they have to be part of a trend: this has been mentioned many times. Attendances are bound to fluctuate, but there has to be a trend upwards or downwards for this fluctuation to mean anything. For year on year in SL the trend has been upwards .

I'm still not clear how you can profess to having been prevented from posting your opinion, particularly in the context of you having just posted it, and indeed having just done so in this post.

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"but if it was a reputable poster like Dave T, Wellsy or JohnM doing so then there would be a genuine discussion. Not because there is an in crowd here but because there is an element of trust that they are genuine based on other posts"

no genuine discussion unless your reputable, liked, trusted, agree with everything we say. oh and by the way i dont "revel" in it. i want whats best for rugby league too.

Where are your posts about how well the game is doing then? I seem to have misplaced them.

To me, and it might just be me, you look very much like the collection of doommongers that is only happy if the game is struggling.

This weekend is the perfect example. We had a great round followed by a bad round shortly after. Which of the rounds did you feel the need to comment on? I rest my case.

Edit: My point about those other posters was it is evident from their posts on a variety of other topics that they aren't just talking the game down out of some perverse enjoyment of doing so.

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Okay, who are these people who say everything is positive?

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Okay, who are these people who say everything is positive?

Anybody that doesn't think Nigel Wood is trying to destroy Rugby League.

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Where are your posts about how well the game is doing then? I seem to have misplaced them.

To me, and it might just be me, you look very much like the collection of doommongers that is only happy if the game is struggling.

This weekend is the perfect example. We had a great round followed by a bad round shortly after. Which of the rounds did you feel the need to comment on? I rest my case.

Edit: My point about those other posters was it is evident from their posts on a variety of other topics that they aren't just talking the game down out of some perverse enjoyment of doing so.

"perverse enjoyment of doing so" pretty extreme for someone who has already stated they want whats best for rugby league (not just super league) and has made a comment about squad depth/ quality and crowd reduction at certain teams. you state monday was a bad round, in your oppinion, ive questioned why and maybe the 2 points are linked, ie quality of teams on field and reduction in attendance.

and again im not someone who is a doom mongerer hoping and happy that the game struggles.

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"perverse enjoyment of doing so" pretty extreme for someone who has already stated they want whats best for rugby league (not just super league) and has made a comment about squad depth/ quality and crowd reduction at certain teams. you state monday was a bad round, in your oppinion, ive questioned why and maybe the 2 points are linked, ie quality of teams on field and reduction in attendance.

and again im not someone who is a doom mongerer hoping and happy that the game struggles.

Only you know your motivations, I'm talking in a more general sense although it must be said a lot of the doom-mongers don't see themselves as such.

There are genuine discussions to be had and the game has serious problems (although it always has had it must be said). However, your style is what has brought you ridicule. You haven't started a thread discussing some of the problems, you started one basically having a go at Nigel Wood for daring to suggest that Super League was good. Looking at your history, this is one of your first threads on the main forum. I'm sorry but this doesn't look like somebody with genuine concern, this looks completely like somebody trying to stick the boot in. Why focus on some of the teams with shocking crowds and focus on the blowouts, where are the balanced posts where you are praising something when it's good?

Whether you are or not, there are a number of people who are secretly hoping for the games demise just so they can be proved right. I would put Lobby into this category. He is a RL fan, but he is clearly watching the game hoping it will be a blow out with a low crowd because he thinks it somehow makes his point more valid.

When I used to write my blog I wrote one on why RL fans are so negative. I think it's partially a defense mechanism; when things look bad (which they often do in RL), some fans jump in and proclaim the games death so at least if it does happen then they get the small win of having been able to predict it.

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Only you know your motivations, I'm talking in a more general sense although it must be said a lot of the doom-mongers don't see themselves as such.

There are genuine discussions to be had and the game has serious problems (although it always has had it must be said). However, your style is what has brought you ridicule. You haven't started a thread discussing some of the problems, you started one basically having a go at Nigel Wood for daring to suggest that Super League was good. Looking at your history, this is one of your first threads on the main forum. I'm sorry but this doesn't look like somebody with genuine concern, this looks completely like somebody trying to stick the boot in. Why focus on some of the teams with shocking crowds and focus on the blowouts, where are the balanced posts where you are praising something when it's good?

Whether you are or not, there are a number of people who are secretly hoping for the games demise just so they can be proved right. I would put Lobby into this category. He is a RL fan, but he is clearly watching the game hoping it will be a blow out with a low crowd because he thinks it somehow makes his point more valid.

When I used to write my blog I wrote one on why RL fans are so negative. I think it's partially a defense mechanism; when things look bad (which they often do in RL), some fans jump in and proclaim the games death so at least if it does happen then they get the small win of having been able to predict it.

you state that this is one of my 1st posts on the main forum, sorry for not posting a positive prior, didnt know that was a rule. ridicule for someone basically having an opinion, positive or negative, is pretty poor. glad you think this is ok, ok for also having a "style" that surely must offend.

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Okay, who are these people who say everything is positive?

Nigel Wood!!!

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hard facts, what quote figures from salford, london attendances. surely you can see that these teams have diminishing crowds this year without putting them on,

What are the figures? Are they significant? Ask yourself why these may be and/or whose fault it is?

Some people in the past have assumed things to be worse, not wanted to provide evidence, then someone else has shown facts and proven then wrong. I remember dally messenger in here about 5 years ago proclaiming all mergers resulted in lower crowds. A throw away statement with no proof. It turned out Wests Tigers had bigger crowds than Balmain and West Magpies put together.

If you throw away a statement with nothing to back it up, you can't complain when people call you out on it. It's not up to us to do the research. It's up to you to put your point over.

and the fact that the one sided games on easter monday speak for themselves regarding squad depth/ quality.

The two coaches who disregarded the Easter schedule beforehand were the coaches of the two teams who suffered very heavy defeats. That brings about another issue for me. Not if squad quality, but of coaching intelligence.

At the end of the day, Leeds lost to Wigan by 50 points at home last year and won the league. Big scores can happen to anyone!

havent said i cant put a point forward, stated that unless i agree with certain people, everything must be positive, then its dismissed as a none genuine post unless im a reputable person.

If you're going to offer negative criticism with no positive feedback, you can't complain if you get it back.

In your opening post, you've criticised Wood for releasing a press statement bigging up the game because you don't agree. However, you've not offered anything in return. You've given a few reasons why you don't agree with him and just left it at that. It was a negative post that will always get negative reactions.

If you'd have finished off offering some kind of positive feedback/alternative on your negative criticism rather than just criticising for the sake of it, people wouldn't respond to you in the way they have. That doesn't mean everyone thinks the garden is rosey. That just shows that people WANT the garden to be rosey rather than just happy to be proven right if the game fails!

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you state that this is one of my 1st posts on the main forum, sorry for not posting a positive prior, didnt know that was a rule. ridicule for someone basically having an opinion, positive or negative, is pretty poor. glad you think this is ok, ok for also having a "style" that surely must offend.

Like I've said it's nothing to do with your opinion but if you expressed it like you did then you will get abuse. You hardly posted a detailed critique of Super League, you posted a two line doom-mongering part criticising Nigel Wood for being positive. It was classic doommonger.

Have you ever wondered why you don't like to comment on good aspects of the game like I don't know, the actual games themselves?

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Like I've said it's nothing to do with your opinion but if you expressed it like you did then you will get abuse. You hardly posted a detailed critique of Super League, you posted a two line doom-mongering part criticising Nigel Wood for being positive. It was classic doommonger.

Have you ever wondered why you don't like to comment on good aspects of the game like I don't know, the actual games themselves?

to be honest i dont think the games are as good now, nigel wood bigging up something that its not,in my opinion, was a reason i posted. i looked at a reason why "i" think theres a down turn in some teams crowds and suggest maybe that the quality/ depth of squads maybe is a reason, and maybe playing 2 games in such a short turn around highlighted this. i did mention that there were 3/4 decent games, close maybe but some not so spectacular. yes big scores attract a lot of good trys but imagine being a fan of the team getting the hiding. not a spectical for them unless you appreciate the game as a whole and watch both teams efforts, something a lot of supporters dont do.

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to be honest i dont think the games are as good now, nigel wood bigging up something that its not,in my opinion, was a reason i posted. i looked at a reason why "i" think theres a down turn in some teams crowds and suggest maybe that the quality/ depth of squads maybe is a reason, and maybe playing 2 games in such a short turn around highlighted this. i did mention that there were 3/4 decent games, close maybe but some not so spectacular. yes big scores attract a lot of good trys but imagine being a fan of the team getting the hiding. not a spectical for them unless you appreciate the game as a whole and watch both teams efforts, something a lot of supporters dont do.

Nobody is arguing with your points rather the way you put them. Your original post had none of those points it is worth saying, you were clearly just ridiculing Nigel Wood for being positive. Everything since has been a retrospective backtrack. There is a big difference between coming on and starting a genuine discussion pointing out some of the problems and why you think they might be and one that basically translates as, 'everything is sh*t.'

It has been pointed out that 9 of the games were competitive, not 3/4. It has also been pointed out that the mismatches were a result of the short turn-around. I'm in favour of srapping the Monday games after this week but funnily enough I haven't felt the need to start a thread saying how ridiculous it all is and how it shows that Super League is really a pathetic competition that is on its last legs.

Also, you are still part of a strange breed of RL fans that think it is only worth pointing out how rubbish everything is. When you see a good game or see that Wigan have sold out against Saints why don't you discuss those?

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Nobody is arguing with your points rather the way you put them. Your original post had none of those points it is worth saying, you were clearly just ridiculing Nigel Wood for being positive. Everything since has been a retrospective backtrack. There is a big difference between coming on and starting a genuine discussion pointing out some of the problems and why you think they might be and one that basically translates as, 'everything is sh*t.'

It has been pointed out that 9 of the games were competitive, not 3/4. It has also been pointed out that the mismatches were a result of the short turn-around. I'm in favour of srapping the Monday games after this week but funnily enough I haven't felt the need to start a thread saying how ridiculous it all is and how it shows that Super League is really a pathetic competition that is on its last legs.

Also, you are still part of a strange breed of RL fans that think it is only worth pointing out how rubbish everything is. When you see a good game or see that Wigan have sold out against Saints why don't you discuss those?

my opinion that 3/4 were good games, 9 may have been competitive, doesnt mean they were excellent spectacles, again my opinion. i havent stated how rediculous it all is or that super league is a pathetic competition on its last legs, you have.

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Why do some of you bother,honestly,#### off to rugby union or soccer.Leave Rugby League to the people who love the game.

You support a bully boy side who couldn't fail if the RFL docked them 10 points before a ball is kicked every year. Of course you're happy. Give Joel Moon back to Salford for starters and I'll start to take you and your ilk seriously.

People (me included) are worried about the gulf between the top 5 or so sides and the rest. We pay our money and have that right. I love rugby league but consider SL to be moderately competitive at best, with seemingly unshiftable tiers. It's a frustration. You keep enjoying your increasingly hollow Grand Final wins. Leeds would be mid-table at best in NRL.

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my opinion that 3/4 were good games, 9 may have been competitive, doesnt mean they were excellent spectacles, again my opinion. i havent stated how rediculous it all is or that super league is a pathetic competition on its last legs, you have.

As I have said, I'm talking generally not just about you. Your post was definitely doommongering but there are plenty of others too.

What is ridiculous is that you are having a go at the different spectacles across 14 games when the most you could have watched is 6/7 and the real number is probably a lot less.

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You support a bully boy side who couldn't fail if the RFL docked them 10 points before a ball is kicked every year. Of course you're happy. Give Joel Moon back to Salford for starters and I'll start to take you and your ilk seriously.

People (me included) are worried about the gulf between the top 5 or so sides and the rest. We pay our money and have that right. I love rugby league but consider SL to be moderately competitive at best, with seemingly unshiftable tiers. It's a frustration. You keep enjoying your increasingly hollow Grand Final wins. Leeds would be mid-table at best in NRL.

So what that the NRL is better than Super League?

Do French soccer fans dominate their forums with how ###### their league is compared to the Spanish, German and British leagues?

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You support a bully boy side who couldn't fail if the RFL docked them 10 points before a ball is kicked every year. Of course you're happy. Give Joel Moon back to Salford for starters and I'll start to take you and your ilk seriously.

People (me included) are worried about the gulf between the top 5 or so sides and the rest. We pay our money and have that right. I love rugby league but consider SL to be moderately competitive at best, with seemingly unshiftable tiers. It's a frustration. You keep enjoying your increasingly hollow Grand Final wins. Leeds would be mid-table at best in NRL.

Still sulking then are we.

I don't give a flying#### if you take me seriously or not,your petulant sulk after the Wigan game told me all I need to know.

I watch RL from my sons u11's side to internationals,so it's not just how well Leeds are doing that bothers me.

I can't give Joel Moon back to Salford,I don't have him.

I've loved every GF win but I've also enjoyed seeing the club in the bad times(of which their have been many)

I don't pretend that everything in the garden is rosy but I also don't constantly blame other clubs for my clubs failings.

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As I have said, I'm talking generally not just about you. Your post was definitely doommongering but there are plenty of others too.

What is ridiculous is that you are having a go at the different spectacles across 14 games when the most you could have watched is 6/7 and the real number is probably a lot less.

not having a go at the different spectacles at all, depends what you class as spectacular however, but if you honestly think its good for rugby league what happened on monday, ie massive 1 sided scores in front of lesser crowds then it must be good. derbys are always gonna generate good crowds, good atmospheres and good days out for fans, especially if the sides competing are evenly matched, but these only come round a few times a season, its the other rounds that need bigging up and doing something about. mondays round of fixtures was far from a derby style round and basically was a fill in fixture after good friday. i still maintain squads arent good/ strong enough for 2 rounds so close together.

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You support a bully boy side who couldn't fail if the RFL docked them 10 points before a ball is kicked every year. Of course you're happy. Give Joel Moon back to Salford for starters and I'll start to take you and your ilk seriously.

I bet you weren't quite so vociferous when your lot signed Paul Cooke illegally.

This is how professional sport works. If your club can afford to sign someone, and that player accepts, then they can go. You say "give Joel Moon back", well maybe he doesn't want to bloody go back! It's not like he's a Salford product! They signed him from somewhere else!

People (me included) are worried about the gulf between the top 5 or so sides and the rest. We pay our money and have that right.

We also have the right to tell you that your suggestions are completely unfair and unworkable. If you keep repeating them, it won't make people think any different!

I love rugby league but consider SL to be moderately competitive at best, with seemingly unshiftable tiers. It's a frustration.

So Warrington have always been a top side? And Huddersfield? Didn't Wigan almost get relegated not long ago?

Only one side has done consistently well during SL, and they're hardly setting the world on fire at the moment!

You're just whinging incoherently.

keep enjoying your increasingly hollow Grand Final wins. Leeds would be mid-table at best in NRL.

If anything has shown up your character, it's this comment. If it makes you feel better to think that the team of a supporter who doesn't agree with you wouldn't be very good in a hypothetical situation, you go ahead and think that!

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