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nigel wood bigging super league up and the game of rl

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not having a go at the different spectacles at all, depends what you class as spectacular however, but if you honestly think its good for rugby league what happened on monday, ie massive 1 sided scores in front of lesser crowds then it must be good. derbys are always gonna generate good crowds, good atmospheres and good days out for fans, especially if the sides competing are evenly matched, but these only come round a few times a season, its the other rounds that need bigging up and doing something about. mondays round of fixtures was far from a derby style round and basically was a fill in fixture after good friday. i still maintain squads arent good/ strong enough for 2 rounds so close together.

Let'd go back to your original post,

todays results surely show that not all is as rosey as hes painting. not enough super league standard players available, especially when injuries kick in. Also crowds for certain teams, super league and championships are really poor.

This doesn't seem to me like the reasoned critique of the Easter Weekend that you are now trying to rewrite it as. It reads far more that you have used the opportunity from the Easter Weekend's results to make out like things in SL aren't very good. This makes all the more sense when you consider that you have never posted anything positive about SL on this forum.

As for the other part of your reply...

my opinion that 3/4 were good games, 9 may have been competitive, doesnt mean they were excellent spectacles, again my opinion.

I'm sorry but you were saying that there were only 3/4 good spectacles out of 14. This being despite the fact that you clearly didn't see all and probably didn't see a majority of games.

You can see how I'm finding it hard to believe that you are just an impartial observer that happens to be voicing a negative opinion, when part of your arguments include writing off games that you haven't seen.

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Another one who thinks they know me. I watched all forms of RL from 1983-1995 and I attended many major events. I championed the game at every opportunity.

However from 95 onwards I have watched the game from amatuar level to championship level only, again I am sure you can work out why.

Erm, so you are basically admitting that you have a historical problem with Super League.

And you somehow think that this doesn't affect your opinions on what is currently happening with the game? You are the perfect example of the fan who purely because of a disagreement on direction is actually wishing the top tier of the game to fail.

At least your honest about it. Some people try to portray the naysayers as noble fans trying simply to voice their opinion. There are some of these but there are just some miserable doommongers who want the game to fail and if you ignore this fact then you are the one with your head in the sand.

Take last year, we had improved viewing figures and SL record average attendances yet I stopped going on the forum for months because the pure negativity of it put me off talking about RL. Surely if these posters were genuine they would have accepted that we were doing well? Especially as they are more than happy to point out when we are not doing as well.

This is why I say that this type of fan is doing considerable damage to the game and actually capable of talking the game into a decline. I'm a RL fanatic yet they can put me off from following the sport, what do they do to the more casual fan? If you had a passing interest in the sport last year you'd think the game was doing worse than ever at Super League level not better. People like to be associated with success and the opposite is also true.

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Could it be that the successful clubs have actually worked hard to be successful

Not really, no. Clubs like Leeds, Wigan, St Helens & Bradford have benefited from long periods of success during a previous free market era which has proven very, very difficult to overturn, even with the advent of the salary cap and licensing. With Wigan you can certainly doff the cap to a club that punches above its comparative weight in terms of fan numbers and elite players down the conveyor-belt. Nonetheless, they are "ruling elite" and as such enjoy significant bully boy privileges, as we saw this off-season with their "candy from a baby" acquisitions.

A side like Leeds in particular is so unbelievably built for the modern era that undoubtedly a significant amount of their success stems not from Hetherington, their recent coaches, good infrastructure or even history but rather simply from "being Leeds". Really, how could a side in that huge 1 team city fail to overpower the likes of Wakefield, Castleford, the Hull sides and even Warrington without significant leveling measures? It's a mismatch. 50 years ago when there was little money in the game and players tended to stay local, their size mattered little. Now the club is simply a behemoth, by design chance rather than execution. I could coach Leeds Rhinos to 10 decent SL campaigns, given the chance.

Be serious with me here - what pleasure do you take from watching your side roll over a Salford team now bereft of its only 3 calibre players of last season (1 of whom now plays for you)? Or of putting 50 on a Widnes side whose only player that would get in your first XIII (Hock) isn't even theirs? Isn't it a miserable, soul-destroying experience even for you, never mind them? Don't you have more stomach for a fight than that?

Don't get me wrong - I don't glorify in following a little guy. I hate as a Hull KR fan that I have to hope against hope we produce more good kids than the ruling elite as we can't compete for the top players. I hate that I have to sweat around licensing time. I hate that a small part of me wants ruling elite players to get injured just to level things up a bit. It's grim. I'm a socialist by nature so I want to see fair contests. But at least isn't there some honour in that and that every win for my team actually means something? Because 75% of those by your team don't. They just mean you turned up.

So what's the solution? In the words of the Cleveland Browns owner in 1955 (desperate to keep the big city NFL sides in check): "30 fatcat Republicans voting socialist". That's the sort of grown-up Super League I want. 14 (or more) Dr Koukash's, with revenue distribution per side according to stature and need. Wouldn't that be more fun? And you even get to be the little guy every now and then.

For now, though, enjoy your empty blowout wins and the spurious notion that Leeds somehow earned more than a small bunch of them with hard graft. And ask yourself if you'll still have a beloved all-conquering side to smugly crow about when all but 4 or 5 teams fall into financial ruin due to fan and investor apathy, all because we rewarded the incumbent behemoths - with their massive fanbases and commercial magnetism - for "working hard".

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And it turns into another SL v Championship debate.

Some people are only happy when they are complaining.

Where do get that from? We've come all this way and I've not heard anything along those lines.

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Erm, so you are basically admitting that you have a historical problem with Super League.

And you somehow think that this doesn't affect your opinions on what is currently happening with the game? You are the perfect example of the fan who purely because of a disagreement on direction is actually wishing the top tier of the game to fail.

At least your honest about it.

Course I admit it and I am not ashamed to.

It's human nature for you wanting something to fail when you are no longer included in it. It's also human nature wanting someone to turn round and say 'we got it wrong'.

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Ian mate, the first two just aren't true.

as for injustice, who is deliberately doing anybody down here? is the RFL purposely trying to screw your club and the others who play in the same competition.

For its entire history the sp[ort has had to deal wit issues that no other sport has faced-from inside and outside. Doing things that you don't agree with or don't suit you personally is not the same as injustice.

I'm currently unhappy that the sport's premier competition doesn't have a main sponsor. There are vpeople in post who are paid to address these things. Even in these times there can ber many good excuses for that.

Honestly I really struggle with he idea that a game not being run in the way you would like is an 'injustice', especially considering some of the real injustices going on close to home and further afield.

Immorality, unfairness, injustice are words which should be used with care, especially in connection with people, even if you don't agree with what they are doing are actually doiung ther damndest with few if any advantages to keep the game alive.

I've hard of Hugo Claus.

Chris it's not just about my club I will list a few injustices below (I could list more):

1. Clubs (including mine) being kicked out of the top flight to make way for Paris and London.

2. Keighley being denied promotion in 95 to make way for Paris & London.

3. Dewsbury & Hunslet not being promoted.

4. Gateshead being fast tracked

5. Catalans being fast tracked

6. Crusaders being fast tracked

7. Scrapping P&R

8. Clubs going into administration and not being punished (points deduction without P&R is not punishment)

9. Clubs being given a licence but it is dependent on them moving to new grounds but when the new grounds don't materialise they are just given another license with a condition that they must upgrade or move stadiums

10. Feeder clubs (call it what you want that's what they are)

Sorry for not feeling great about the game but it is because in my view there are so many injustices that have come from the RFL.

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All I'm saying is what I said in pre-season on here - namely that if we allow already successful clubs to cherry pick the best players from already unsuccessful clubs then we should expect blowout scores the like of which we saw on Monday. It's not "one rule for them" etc., simply about preventing success from breeding success.

Who's been cherry picked? Those clubs agreed to sell their players. They weren't forced. They didn't sneak them. They didn't do it illegally (something which you seem to think is acceptable if it's a smaller club steeling off a bigger club). Those clubs made a choice.

We reap what we sow. People are negative on this forum because there's much to be negative about.

There's much to be positive about as well, but people choose to be negative. Why? It's sad for those people that they'd rather concentrate on the things that make them unhappy than happy.

If Hull KR had won the Grand Final last year then signed a high calibre centre like Moon from a shoestring competitor off the back of that success, I would be equally ashamed and embarrassed for the sport and any future success would be increasingly hollow. It's just classic bully boy stuff. What's the point of supporting a side like that? What point are you trying to make? It's no better than a 6 year-old kid 100 miles from Manchester following Man Utd because they win a lot. It's also deeply boring and bad for the league as a viewing spectacle. That's just me and I understand that different people want different things. Some want their little dynasties and to see their side fat-bellied and facing only half a dozen genuine arm wrestles a season. Such folk can't then complain when no sponsor worth its salt wants to touch our league with a bargepole.

So you're trying to blame a system that's in place in pretty much every sport for us not having a sponsor, despite those other sports having one? You can't just make up points to suit your view!

By the sounds of it, you're not suited to watching professional sport. You don't like the money part. Perhaps you're best off watching amateur sport where these things aren't an issue?

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IPE by his own admission has boycotted club RL at the highest level for the past 18 years, so it may be that he just does not know what he is missing. DSL appears to be advocating non-competitive rugby by not allowing clubs to compete for players in this, the most competitive of sports. In both cases, that is absorbing a lot of energy that might be more usefully employed, don't you think.

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Chris it's not just about my club I will list a few injustices below (I could list more):

1. Clubs (including mine) being kicked out of the top flight to make way for Paris and London.

2. Keighley being denied promotion in 95 to make way for Paris & London.

3. Dewsbury & Hunslet not being promoted.

4. Gateshead being fast tracked

5. Catalans being fast tracked

6. Crusaders being fast tracked

7. Scrapping P&R

8. Clubs going into administration and not being punished (points deduction without P&R is not punishment)

9. Clubs being given a licence but it is dependent on them moving to new grounds but when the new grounds don't materialise they are just given another license with a condition that they must upgrade or move stadiums

10. Feeder clubs (call it what you want that's what they are)

Sorry for not feeling great about the game but it is because in my view there are so many injustices that have come from the RFL.

Ian these is not injustices, they are things you don't agree with, things that don't suit you. They are not the same. This my whole point. It's people trying to make the best of the lousy hand that Rugby League has been dealt with historically, not trying to do people down or deliberately deprive people of their rights or persecuting them, or falsely imprison them, or execute them without trial and so on. Do you think that people in Red Hall sit down and think up ways of deliberately making life #### for clubs they don't like?

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Not really, no. Clubs like Leeds, Wigan, St Helens & Bradford have benefited from long periods of success during a previous free market era which has proven very, very difficult to overturn, even with the advent of the salary cap and licensing. With Wigan you can certainly doff the cap to a club that punches above its comparative weight in terms of fan numbers and elite players down the conveyor-belt. Nonetheless, they are "ruling elite" and as such enjoy significant bully boy privileges, as we saw this off-season with their "candy from a baby" acquisitions.

A side like Leeds in particular is so unbelievably built for the modern era that undoubtedly a significant amount of their success stems not from Hetherington, their recent coaches, good infrastructure or even history but rather simply from "being Leeds". Really, how could a side in that huge 1 team city fail to overpower the likes of Wakefield, Castleford, the Hull sides and even Warrington without significant leveling measures? It's a mismatch. 50 years ago when there was little money in the game and players tended to stay local, their size mattered little. Now the club is simply a behemoth, by design chance rather than execution. I could coach Leeds Rhinos to 10 decent SL campaigns, given the chance.

Be serious with me here - what pleasure do you take from watching your side roll over a Salford team now bereft of its only 3 calibre players of last season (1 of whom now plays for you)? Or of putting 50 on a Widnes side whose only player that would get in your first XIII (Hock) isn't even theirs? Isn't it a miserable, soul-destroying experience even for you, never mind them? Don't you have more stomach for a fight than that?

Don't get me wrong - I don't glorify in following a little guy. I hate as a Hull KR fan that I have to hope against hope we produce more good kids than the ruling elite as we can't compete for the top players. I hate that I have to sweat around licensing time. I hate that a small part of me wants ruling elite players to get injured just to level things up a bit. It's grim. I'm a socialist by nature so I want to see fair contests. But at least isn't there some honour in that and that every win for my team actually means something? Because 75% of those by your team don't. They just mean you turned up.

So what's the solution? In the words of the Cleveland Browns owner in 1955 (desperate to keep the big city NFL sides in check): "30 fatcat Republicans voting socialist". That's the sort of grown-up Super League I want. 14 (or more) Dr Koukash's, with revenue distribution per side according to stature and need. Wouldn't that be more fun? And you even get to be the little guy every now and then.

For now, though, enjoy your empty blowout wins and the spurious notion that Leeds somehow earned more than a small bunch of them with hard graft. And ask yourself if you'll still have a beloved all-conquering side to smugly crow about when all but 4 or 5 teams fall into financial ruin due to fan and investor apathy, all because we rewarded the incumbent behemoths - with their massive fanbases and commercial magnetism - for "working hard".

You just don't seem to be able to comprehend club development. All you want is for everything to be handed out equally regardless of how hard they do or don't work. To me, that is utterly ridiculous. If you applied that to real life, why would anyone bother to go to work when they can just get things handed to them?

What you are asking for isn't fair at all. If anything, it's the complete opposite. It's completely unfair.

You don't seem to want to give praise to anyone. Look at the players at Wigan and how many THEY produced. You make it seem like they steal everyone's players, yet the VAST majority of their squad are Wigan born and bred. But you'd make it so that the smaller clubs can steal the players that Wigan worked hard to produce, and then claim it's fair? Give me a break.

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Ian these is not injustices, they are things you don't agree with, things that don't suit you. They are not the same. This my whole point. It's people trying to make the best of the lousy hand that Rugby League has been dealt with historically, not trying to do people down or deliberately deprive people of their rights or persecuting them, or falsely imprison them, or execute them without trial and so on. Do you think that people in Red Hall sit down and think up ways of deliberately making life #### for clubs they don't like?

They are things which ever way you want to dress them up are wrong. I don't think Red Hall deliberately set out to make life hard for certain clubs, however they have no problems shyting on them if it makes SL clubs stronger, again this is another injustice.

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IPE by his own admission has boycotted club RL at the highest level for the past 18 years, so it may be that he just does not know what he is missing.

As I have said before I am sure I miss out on some great RL occasions but I have morals and I stick to them.

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IPE by his own admission has boycotted club RL at the highest level for the past 18 years, so it may be that he just does not know what he is missing. DSL appears to be advocating non-competitive rugby by not allowing clubs to compete for players in this, the most competitive of sports. In both cases, that is absorbing a lot of energy that might be more usefully employed, don't you think.

good observation john and quite correct.

But if its all t'same I'll stick wi how it is for now.

This has morphed into the same old same old. We're never going to agree on the direction the game is going.

We started this thread with a comment on big nige talking the game up. I feel the game is close to being on its botty. You don't. Shock horror, two rugby fans disagree.

Enjoy your sl and remember. ........ keep smiling! :lol:

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If RL Forums were around in the late 80's/early 90's when this southerner got into The Greatest Game I may not have bothered.

Some of you guys just need to cheer up and smile more. Life's too short to be miserable.

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They are things which ever way you want to dress them up are wrong. I don't think Red Hall deliberately set out to make life hard for certain clubs, however they have no problems shyting on them if it makes SL clubs stronger, again this is another injustice.

errors? some of them

malicious? none of them

done in an attempt to take the game forward? all of them

I know of no instances where the RFL have been willing to '####' on championship clubs to help Super League clubs, or for any other reason: the RFL have been very supportive of your club in terms of expertise and money and there are plenty of other examples current and historic of this at other clubs.

I honestly don't see any immorality regarding the way the RFL conducts itself. The organisation is doing its best, to play one of the worst hands of cards that it could have been dealt, and that's before we consider the reactionary, self serving elements from within that drag it down.

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As I have said before I am sure I miss out on some great RL occasions but I have morals and I stick to them.

To deny yourself 17 or 18 years worth of games that are amongst the best our sport has to offer worldwide for the sake of some imagined wrongs will seem to many to be taking self-denial a little to far. I am sure you have morals - just like the rest of us - unless you are suggesting otherwise. You may stick to those principles - just like the rest of us - unless you are suggesting otherwise but the points you listed above are not "morals" but opinions (no doubt sincerely held) no more and no less and as such are open to critical examination.

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To deny yourself 17 or 18 years worth of games that are amongst the best our sport has to offer worldwide for the sake of some imagined wrongs will seem to many to be taking self-denial a little to far. I am sure you have morals - just like the rest of us - unless you are suggesting otherwise. You may stick to those principles - just like the rest of us - unless you are suggesting otherwise but the points you listed above are not "morals" but opinions (no doubt sincerely held) no more and no less and as such are open to critical examination.

Imagined wrongs? Back to my argument that it's easier to ignore wrongs when you are benefiting from them

It's strange how so called imagine wrongs only become real when you are on the receiving end of them but you wouldn't have a clue about that.

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To deny yourself 17 or 18 years worth of games that are amongst the best our sport has to offer worldwide for the sake of some imagined wrongs will seem to many to be taking self-denial a little to far.

Imagined wrongs?? They appear real enough to me John....

Look matey, without protracting this argument over and over .... again, this is simple enough.

We dsagree I know, but...this is how it is. I feel there is a significant degree of unfairness in the direction the game has gone that makes me want to abstain from SL, internationals etc. We've been here before so I'm not overdoing that debate again.

You disagree with my (and Ian's) stance. Fair do's. You have a different opinion to me.

I won't call you for it. I won't take the mick out of you belief. Nor will I make generalised comments about the nature of your posts. It's upto you how you enjoy your RL. Enjoy matey. I do, even tho it's down here in the sludge that is the championship!! :lol: :lol:

ANd for what it's worth.... I still think it's the best sport on earth!!!!!!!!

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Ian, Your imagined wrongs are still imagined wrongs . To quote Abe Simpson, "everyone is agin me". In the 56 years I've been following the game, the two clubs I've supported have gone through some great times and some terrible times. They've played well and they've played appallingly. They've had good crowds and bad crowds, good owners and bad owners, good boards and bad boards And you know what - just like with your club, its been their own fault. Morals? Nowt to do with it.

and Robin, yes its the greatest game. So isn't it a shame that some are missing so much of it.

Final answer. :)

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Chris it's not just about my club I will list a few injustices below (I could list more):

1. Clubs (including mine) being kicked out of the top flight to make way for Paris and London

Regardless of whether it was fair or not, it was the old regime. Get over it. Don't hold a grudge against someone for what someone else did to upset you. THAT'S injustice.

2. Keighley being denied promotion in 95 to make way for Paris & London.

See above.

3. Dewsbury & Hunslet not being promoted.

They were denied because their grounds don't meet specifications. They're far too small.

But again, see above.

4. Gateshead being fast tracked

See above.

However, why is this an injustice? They didn't take anyone's place? Because if their entry, the league was able to expand.

5. Catalans being fast tracked

This isn't true. This was a planned expansion over four years that all teams knew about. I wouldn't call that "fast". They're a French team applying for a European league. They shouldn't have to pander to the British second tier to get there. It won't work, and that's why you want it! THAT'S injustice.

6. Crusaders being fast tracked

They finished 2nd and runners up in the Grand Final. Had they not been given a license, they'd have been given promotion on the field anyway as there were two spots up for grabs.

You called it an injustice that Keighley were denied promotion, yet are calling it an injustice that Crusaders were promoted? Simply because they're from Wales? But not an injustice that Salford were promoted? It's hypocritical, and shows really what your problem is, and it's not injustice!

7. Scrapping P&R

Why is that an injustice? That's just a disagreement about how you think entry should be made into the top tier.

8. Clubs going into administration and not being punished (points deduction without P&R is not punishment)

Err... yes it is! Not only is that not injustice, it's just plain incorrect!

9. Clubs being given a licence but it is dependent on them moving to new grounds but when the new grounds don't materialise they are just given another license with a condition that they must upgrade or move stadiums

Had there been a club ready to replace them, those said clubs wouldn't have another chance.

If things don't change at Cas (they're in the most danger), they won't be around in SL.

10. Feeder clubs (call it what you want that's what they are)

No-one's forcing them. It's their choice.

Sorry for not feeling great about the game but it is because in my view there are so many injustices that have come from the RFL.

A lot of what you perceive as "injustice" is really just a case of you not agreeing with someo else's very justifiable opinion. And they are. The fact that you can't let something from 17 years ago go and prejudge a new regime simply because they're the RFL shows not a man of morals but a man of bitterness and stubbornness. These are not things I would celebrate.

You try and justify your opinions all you like, but to argue with people that everything's OK on their high horse because of the club they follow IS NOT a justification. If anything, again, THAT is an injustice to take away a person's right of opinion because they support a certain club. Believe it or not, just because you support Wigan or Leeds doesn't mean they don't know anything about injustice! I'm pretty sure people have lives outside if rugby and can tell what fair and unfair is.

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Imagined wrongs?? They appear real enough to me John....

What you think is wrong doesn't make it real.

Look matey, without protracting this argument over and over .... again, this is simple enough.

We dsagree I know, but...this is how it is. I feel there is a significant degree of unfairness in the direction the game has gone that makes me want to abstain from SL, internationals etc. We've been here before so I'm not overdoing that debate again.

You disagree with my (and Ian's) stance. Fair do's. You have a different opinion to me.

I won't call you for it. I won't take the mick out of you belief. Nor will I make generalised comments about the nature of your posts. It's upto you how you enjoy your RL. Enjoy matey. I do, even tho it's down here in the sludge that is the championship!! :lol: :lol:

ANd for what it's worth.... I still think it's the best sport on earth!!!!!!!!

That's fine.

People are only wanting to bring you back round to the game that you claim to enjoy so you're not cutting off your nose to spite your face and e joy yourself.

Some other people would rather take us away from the game so we can all be miserable (I'm not saying you're one of them, you're rather less forceful in asserting your displeasure on others).

That's the difference here. Some people want a happy outcome. Some people want a miserable outcome.

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What you think is wrong doesn't make it real.

That's the difference here. Some people want a happy outcome. Some people want a miserable outcome.

Good post and I accept what you're saying without necessairly agreeing with you.

I watch and enjoy a good deal of rugby. I watch amateur whenever I can, and enjoy watch several clubs in the championship. It's fun. There aren't too many of us down here so we know an awful lot of opposition fans by name and in many cases become good mates. That's one ironic positive about the way the game's gone.

I found the actions of SL/RFL in 96 divisive, and still do. No regime since then has changed that. Until they do I'll continue with my stance without encouraging anyone else to do likewise.

I look forward to one day when the game is united again and I can spend post after post rammin 1983 down ya neck* instead of trawling through more of this sheeeeite!!!!! :lol: [* attempt at humour btw].

I take your well made points... But I'll keep attending the facio-maxilla to sort me proboscis!

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Ian, Your imagined wrongs are still imagined wrongs . To quote Abe Simpson, "everyone is agin me". In the 56 years I've been following the game, the two clubs I've supported have gone through some great times and some terrible times. They've played well and they've played appallingly. They've had good crowds and bad crowds, good owners and bad owners, good boards and bad boards And you know what - just like with your club, its been their own fault. Morals? Nowt to do with it.

and Robin, yes its the greatest game. So isn't it a shame that some are missing so much of it.

Final answer. :)

I see now it's my boards fault. What they should have done is the following.

1. Anticipated back in 95 that the relegation spots were going to be 11th place and below.

2. Broke the salary cap in order to be docked just enough points to avoid relegation.

3. Promised to build a new ground in order to acheive a franchise.

4. Go into administration despite having thousands of pounds from Sky knowing that the punishment would only be points deduction

5. Lie on there franchise application.

Thanks for clearing that up for me I am going to phone the club up now to tell them where they have gone wrong.

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Good post and I accept what you're saying without necessairly agreeing with you.

I watch and enjoy a good deal of rugby. I watch amateur whenever I can, and enjoy watch several clubs in the championship. It's fun. There aren't too many of us down here so we know an awful lot of opposition fans by name and in many cases become good mates. That's one ironic positive about the way the game's gone.

I found the actions of SL/RFL in 96 divisive, and still do. No regime since then has changed that. Until they do I'll continue with my stance without encouraging anyone else to do likewise.

I look forward to one day when the game is united again and I can spend post after post rammin 1983 down ya neck* instead of trawling through more of this sheeeeite!!!!! :lol: [* attempt at humour btw].

I take your well made points... But I'll keep attending the facio-maxilla to sort me proboscis!

What specific actions that happened then and are still happening now do you find divisive?

And what can the current regime do?

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I see now it's my boards fault. What they should have done is the following.

1. Anticipated back in 95 that the relegation spots were going to be 11th place and below.

2. Broke the salary cap in order to be docked just enough points to avoid relegation.

3. Promised to build a new ground in order to acheive a franchise.

4. Go into administration despite having thousands of pounds from Sky knowing that the punishment would only be points deduction

5. Lie on there franchise application.

Thanks for clearing that up for me I am going to phone the club up now to tell them where they have gone wrong.

Your club voted in favour it

There was no salary cap at the time

Two clubs have made this promise and reneged on it for different reasons. If you check the rest of pro rugby league the improvement in facilities including your own club has been of a high standard. Why do you think that has been?

What punishment did your club receive?

There are no franchises to apply for. If you are referring to licenses then I'm not sure what you mean

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