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07/04/13 - Leeds Rhinos v Warrington Wolves - KO 6.45pm (Sky Sports)

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I think poor may be slightly harsh - neither were at their best.

 

I do however think their defences and some of their attacks were good enough to beat many of the teams around them quite comfortably - it just wasn't at the level we were hoping for from these teams I think.

Yeah,you're right.I agree with your point about the OTT commentary and "analysis".

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No arguments from me about how well Peacock is playing, quite awesome (even though he should actually have penalised for being offside for that forward pass in the first half!).

 

The concern from an England perspective is that he is still advanced in years and appears to be playing massive minutes every week. Will he still have anything in the tank come November?

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Peacock has retired from International rugby.

 

Indeed, but Harrigan posed the question and if he keeps up this form it would be interesting.

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Indeed, but Harrigan posed the question and if he keeps up this form it would be interesting.

Yes it would but Peacocks resurgence of form could be down to not playing the last round of Internationals.he also turned down an opportunity to work with Mcbanana in a coaching capacity in the England setup.

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Yes it would but Peacocks resurgence of form could be down to not playing the last round of Internationals.he also turned down an opportunity to work with Mcbanana in a coaching capacity in the England setup.

 

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Indeed, but Harrigan posed the question and if he keeps up this form it would be interesting.

Actually, I didn't post the question. I did say his resurgence this year was to do with his full off season. I just thought his form, coupled with the chance to win the only thing he never has may be too big of an opportunity to miss.

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I agree with much that has already been written. I watched with the sound off, so cannot comment on the Sky commentary, save that it seems to me that as a matter of course they come up with an approach to a particular game, and stick with it regardless of the evidence. So, if they have decided Leeds were excellent, then nothing that see would shake them from that view. They are from the Dennis Moran school of playing what's in front of you.

It seemed to me, without any particular emotional engagament in either side, that Leeds looked comfortable winners from around the midpoint of the first half, without playing that well. My over riding impression of Warrington was a lack of oomph. Leeds seemed to contain their forwards with ease, which in turn meant that their halves weren't able to play to their off the cuff strengths. Of course, it is hard to read anything into that at this stage, as we don't know where the respective teams are in their training for the season. Some food for thought for Smith. I am sure I am not alone in concluding that Hodgson has perhaps gone on a season too long, but on the plus side Joel M showed a turn of speed I doubted he had.

Finally, on Leeds, if we can find a way to fit Hardaker and Sam in the same team we should do. Perhaps we could play 2 3 2 in the backs rather than boring old 1 4 2? Peacock is immense - he will know himself whether he can sustain this form and do a job in the World Cup. If he decides to have another go, I'd be delighted. Leeds' last 2 performances have been pretty good, though playing one few game than their opponents leading into them may have been a factor (and might explain Wire's forwards apparently more leaden legs).

I enjoyed it. I like the Sunday evening slot far more than Saturday.

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I agree with much that has already been written. I watched with the sound off, so cannot comment on the Sky commentary, save that it seems to me that as a matter of course they come up with an approach to a particular game, and stick with it regardless of the evidence. So, if they have decided Leeds were excellent, then nothing that see would shake them from that view. They are from the Dennis Moran school of playing what's in front of you.

It seemed to me, without any particular emotional engagament in either side, that Leeds looked comfortable winners from around the midpoint of the first half, without playing that well. My over riding impression of Warrington was a lack of oomph. Leeds seemed to contain their forwards with ease, which in turn meant that their halves weren't able to play to their off the cuff strengths. Of course, it is hard to read anything into that at this stage, as we don't know where the respective teams are in their training for the season. Some food for thought for Smith. I am sure I am not alone in concluding that Hodgson has perhaps gone on a season too long, but on the plus side Joel M showed a turn of speed I doubted he had.

Finally, on Leeds, if we can find a way to fit Hardaker and Sam in the same team we should do. Perhaps we could play 2 3 2 in the backs rather than boring old 1 4 2? Peacock is immense - he will know himself whether he can sustain this form and do a job in the World Cup. If he decides to have another go, I'd be delighted. Leeds' last 2 performances have been pretty good, though playing one few game than their opponents leading into them may have been a factor (and might explain Wire's forwards apparently more leaden legs).

I enjoyed it. I like the Sunday evening slot far more than Saturday.

Hard to disagree with too much of that - apart from the fact that the Wire forwards, with their leaden legs, made more metres per carry than Leeds' forwards. Jamie Peacock aside, Wire's forwards did a solid job apart from the 5 handling errors.

 

Hodgson is a funny one - he has always had errors in him, but I think without Briers we don;t see Hodgson joining the line on the back of precision passes - tbh this is where he and Atkins are struggling in general play IMHO.

 

I think Monas had a touch of help as Sinfield for some reason decided to wipe out McGuire who had the best chance of catching him!

 

On the positive, Briers has been ruled fit to make a comeback in the coming weeks. 

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One more point on the stats (yep - I know, I'm a geek) - but Jamie Peacock is showing some of his best form of his career at the moment IMHO.

 

When you look at the combined efforts of the forwards for both teams:

 

Metres - Leeds 709 v 667

Carries - Leeds 128 v 111

Ave Carry - Wire 6m v 5m

 

When you look at Peacock's Stats individually he made an unbelievable 185m from 27 carries. Leeds' next best forward was Leulai with 97m from 16 carries, which is a very good effort.

 

The bloke is a beast, and the importance of Peacock, Hall and then Sinfield's kicking can;t be overstated.

I think he intimated lastnight that he may be rested for the next game.Lastnight he tweeted that he was spent and had nothing left in the tank

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Reading League Express and the Albert Goldthorpe points for that game were; 3 points. Ryan Hall, 2 points. Zak Hardaker, 1 point. Stefan Ratchford.

 

I don't think we'll see a Happy Harri... I think he just exploded!

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It's Peacock's fault. He's playing consistently great so the idiots who pick the points don't notice him standing out. It's just another Peacock performance ;)

That being said, Hall finished his 2 try's brilliantly and Hardaker showed why he is one of the best young players in the country. It's just a shame 25+ hit ups, 190m and 30+ tackles every week doesn't get you more recognition.

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Reading League Express and the Albert Goldthorpe points for that game were; 3 points. Ryan Hall, 2 points. Zak Hardaker, 1 point. Stefan Ratchford.

 

I don't think we'll see a Happy Harri... I think he just exploded!

 

Forwards get scant recognition in the AGM though.

 

Putting Leeds to one side, I thought Warrington's best performers in order were:

 

1) Grix

2) Higham

3) J Monaghan

4) Ratchford.

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Regarding stats, the team metres made needs to be understood in context. Leeds pretty much spent the entire first half in Warrington territory - the scope to make huge metres was limited.

 

I have an ongoing issue with Phil Caplan's Albert Goldthorpe points awards - apart from consistently getting them wrong (in my opinion) he also is permanently keen to demonstrate he isn't biased. So Leeds will win 50-0 with the opposition having a universal mare and he will still find scope to give one of the places to the losing side. As long as he is Leeds correspondent there won't be a winner from Headingley.

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Regarding stats, the team metres made needs to be understood in context. Leeds pretty much spent the entire first half in Warrington territory - the scope to make huge metres was limited.

 

I have an ongoing issue with Phil Caplan's Albert Goldthorpe points awards - apart from consistently getting them wrong (in my opinion) he also is permanently keen to demonstrate he isn't biased. So Leeds will win 50-0 with the opposition having a universal mare and he will still find scope to give one of the places to the losing side. As long as he is Leeds correspondent there won't be a winner from Headingley.

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Regarding stats, the team metres made needs to be understood in context. Leeds pretty much spent the entire first half in Warrington territory - the scope to make huge metres was limited.

 

I have an ongoing issue with Phil Caplan's Albert Goldthorpe points awards - apart from consistently getting them wrong (in my opinion) he also is permanently keen to demonstrate he isn't biased. So Leeds will win 50-0 with the opposition having a universal mare and he will still find scope to give one of the places to the losing side. As long as he is Leeds correspondent there won't be a winner from Headingley.

Maybe - but the majority of their ptb's in the 2nd half were in their own half.

 

I agree about the AG points, I don't like the award at all tbh.

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The award is good in theory but if you have the same person reporting on the same teams week after week as League Express often does then there is a danger of it being unduly affected by that. (and yes I know Gareth Walker wrote the report for Sunday's game but it is almost always Phil Caplan).

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