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Must have played our lads.......................Only joking. without seeing the teams we can't really judge, but a score like that against a good amateur side at this stage of the season must have the alarm bells ringing.

One wonders whether this league should really be tier 4 not 3. Is there too much of a gulf in standards between CC and Conference League South for dual registration to work?

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One wonders whether this league should really be tier 4 not 3. Is there too much of a gulf in standards between CC and Conference League South for dual registration to work?

Sheffield have a lot of tier 4 players, one of ours got 4 tries and one who is at Toll Bar 3 today, I suspect a couple more of ours may be joining them soon as they all knock about together.

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Sheffield have a lot of tier 4 players, one of ours got 4 tries and one who is at Toll Bar 3 today, I suspect a couple more of ours may be joining them soon as they all knock about together.

I know but does anyone really think that Conference South is a much higher standard than say the Pennine League that justifies calling it a different tier?

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I know but does anyone really think that Conference South is a much higher standard than say the Pennine League that justifies calling it a different tier?

Its the standards off the field as well that differentiate it.

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Its the standards off the field as well that differentiate it.

The Sheffield result is the reason why IMO it's on the field that should decide who is tier 3, 4, 5 or whatever at amateur level.

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Its the standards off the field as well that differentiate it.

I'd say it was ambitions that define it. I don't want to put too much emphasis on one result but St Albans are a good side and that result sounds like one-sided slaughter. 

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I'd say it was ambitions that define it. I don't want to put too much emphasis on one result but St Albans are a good side and that result sounds like one-sided slaughter.

Lets see what the future brings

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Personally don't think dual reg should be allowed at our level, but to be fair we don't know what the eagles team was.

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Dual reg is immoral and should not be allowed at any level.

I wouldn't go that far but rules need to be tightened up to prevent abuses. That's a general comment rather than one aimed at Sheffield.

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I wouldn't go that far but rules need to be tightened up to prevent abuses. That's a general comment rather than one aimed at Sheffield.

Don't like banging on about BARLA rules/laws but didn't they have it right when they only allowed 2 permit players.

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Don't like banging on about BARLA rules/laws but didn't they have it right when they only allowed 2 permit players.

Yeah, they did get that right to be fair.

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Wasn't at the St Albans/Sheffield game and just got home from a week end away and seen the score.  Had to ring someone who was there to find out what happened.  Apparently St Albans were really struggling to get players out this weekend due to lots of injuries and had to get quite a few first timers into the squad - including the coach and some of the development lads who were playing their first game of competitive RL.   However, trying not to make excuses, I was told that Sheffield were very good indeed, apparently their players from Moorends and the Eagles U23's just dominated the game and were a cut above most of our lads, really good players.

Being on the receiving end of a hammering from a dual reg team isn't nice - but if it was our team that had a 'twinning' with a higher team I'd be all for it I suppose. 

 

Now I have to write a match report for the local press - and make it sound positive :wacko:

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Exiled Townie, on 21 Apr 2013 - 19:56, said:

Wasn't at the St Albans/Sheffield game and just got home from a week end away and seen the score. Had to ring someone who was there to find out what happened. Apparently St Albans were really struggling to get players out this weekend due to lots of injuries and had to get quite a few first timers into the squad - including the coach and some of the development lads who were playing their first game of competitive RL. However, trying not to make excuses, I was told that Sheffield were very good indeed, apparently their players from Moorends and the Eagles U23's just dominated the game and were a cut above most of our lads, really good players.

Being on the receiving end of a hammering from a dual reg team isn't nice - but if it was our team that had a 'twinning' with a higher team I'd be all for it I suppose.

Now I have to write a match report for the local press - and make it sound positive :wacko:

Just one of those games by the sounds of it. Sheffield are great in attack when they have all their Eagles forwards out, as they probably did yesterday, but against us and Leicester they were a bit flaky defensively. I expect them to be the side to beat, but it's not all over yet - let's see how the season pans out. Northampton and Leicester are improving week by week (Storm should have won yesterday, but were pipped on the final hooter) and with their best players out the Cents are a decent side. There will be plenty of twists and turns before the season's out.

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I've just been told that Sheffield never used one member of the Eagles first team squad, he said he was not sure if Sheffield where that good or Saints where poor.

 

On the bright side I remember getting a 92 to a very little thumping at Westgate, two weeks later with basically the two same set of players we beat them 48 to very little, Rugby League is a wonderful game.

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Today's results:

Bristol 40 - 6 Nottingham

Leicester 22 - 12 St Albans

Northampton 6 - 68 Sheffield Hallam

Good first half performance from the Sonics today. Nottingham seemed to take an age to get up to speed with the game. When they did, they squandered a few chances, dominated the first 20 of the second half, scored a solitary try and then saw a player sent off for foul and abusive language after he'd been sin-binned for a 'chicken wing' tackle. The Sonics then ran away with it a bit in the last 20.

Good to see Leicester getting their first win, and Sheffield Hallam roll on in ominous fashion - could be a decent game when we play them in Bristol in three weeks time.

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I went and had a look at the league table on the NCL site.  I see that after 4 weeks the top two teams are the teams that have dual reg agreements with other teams, and then the teams below that seem to be 'stand alone' teams.  As the press release about this league a few months ago said several other teams (I think one was Eastern Rhinos) were waiting to see how this season pans out before considering joining next season,  I was wondering if the success of the teams that had the extra option of calling on dual reg players might put teams off joining this league when they see how these dual reg teams seem (up to now) to be dominating the league. 

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I went and had a look at the league table on the NCL site.  I see that after 4 weeks the top two teams are the teams that have dual reg agreements with other teams, and then the teams below that seem to be 'stand alone' teams.  As the press release about this league a few months ago said several other teams (I think one was Eastern Rhinos) were waiting to see how this season pans out before considering joining next season,  I was wondering if the success of the teams that had the extra option of calling on dual reg players might put teams off joining this league when they see how these dual reg teams seem (up to now) to be dominating the league.

Well, Nottingham have no 'dual reg' players and they've done well this season and will be in the mix at the end of the year.

For the record, the Sonics have fielded no more than four 'dual reg' players in any one game this year. Today two of those 'dual reg' players signed for the All Golds from the Sonics. The other two have All Golds first team experience, but are still students (I think). I'm also pretty sure at least one previously played 'Tier 4' with other South West clubs. One also broke his collarbone, so we won't be seeing him for a while, and sadly the All Golds won't be either.

Our man of the match today was one of the Filton RL Academy graduates, who is being monitored by the All Golds but hasn't as of yet signed for them. He's still only 18, I think (or maybe 19).

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For the record, the Sonics have fielded no more than four 'dual reg' players in any one game this year.

Not having a go, just wondering if dual reg was worth it or not in this type of league or would it cause some clubs to consider not  joining?  If you have some clubs in areas where there is no higher rl club to share dual reg players, surely they are at a disadvantage over clubs that do, so why would they join a league where some clubs have the choice of 'more', (better?) players and they don't.  Hope that makes sense.  

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Today's results:

Bristol 40 - 6 Nottingham

Leicester 22 - 12 St Albans

Northampton 6 - 68 Sheffield Hallam

Good first half performance from the Sonics today. Nottingham seemed to take an age to get up to speed with the game. When they did, they squandered a few chances, dominated the first 20 of the second half, scored a solitary try and then saw a player sent off for foul and abusive language after he'd been sin-binned for a 'chicken wing' tackle. The Sonics then ran away with it a bit in the last 20.

Good to see Leicester getting their first win, and Sheffield Hallam roll on in ominous fashion - could be a decent game when we play them in Bristol in three weeks time.

We did take an age to get into the game, not sure why really! Bristol played well, especially around their offloads. They had 3 or 4 standout players who were the difference.

Its easy to criticise refs when u lose, and we do have some awful officials in our league, but I thought the ref yesterday was excellent. We had him a couple of weeks ago as well and he was good then. Lets the game flow, uses his touch judges and works well with players.

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For the record, the Sonics have fielded no more than four 'dual reg' players in any one game this year. Today two of those 'dual reg' players signed for the All Golds from the Sonics. The other two have All Golds first team experience, but are still students (I think). I'm also pretty sure at least one previously played 'Tier 4' with other South West clubs. One also broke his collarbone, so we won't be seeing him for a while, and sadly the All Golds won't be either.

In terms of dual reg - If you are in favour that's fine, but I don't think saying that a couple came from Sonics in the first place is relevant. You wouldn't have a scheme that was 'dual reg only with ur club of origin'. Equally the fact that two might be students isn't relevant either.

Would be interested to know how many dual reg players Sheffield used in first couple of games vs last two which is when the scores have blown out.

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In terms of dual reg - If you are in favour that's fine, but I don't think saying that a couple came from Sonics in the first place is relevant. You wouldn't have a scheme that was 'dual reg only with ur club of origin'. Equally the fact that two might be students isn't relevant either.

Would be interested to know how many dual reg players Sheffield used in first couple of games vs last two which is when the scores have blown out.

Apparently Sheffield are adding BARLA players once their season comes to an end.

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Apparently Sheffield are adding BARLA players once their season comes to an end.

And why not? Any of the other clubs can do that, too. Obviously it's harder for clubs further south to do that, but many teams at Tier 3 (Conference League South) and Tier 4 (regional leagues) have players with previous BARLA experience. People move around the country over the time these days for work, study etc so it's no big thing.

As far as I can tell, the make up of the Sheffield-Hallam side hasn't changed much in recent weeks, it's just that they're playing better. The signs were always there - I mean they scored lots of points against us (40) and Leicester (around the same) before their games against St Albans and Northampton, they've just tightened up their defence. I think there are three players who have first team experience with the Eagles - two who played in pre-season friendlies, and another who was a regular a couple of years back but has been out of favour since (Corey Hanson). He's been playing for the Hallam Uni side as well, as he studies there.

I was chatting to someone from another club about dual reg yesterday (not Nottingham, as it happens) and he said: "What's the big deal? If it makes the standard of the league better, I'm all for it. I'd rather have tougher games every week."

I have to admit I personally had doubts about whether it would work for the Sonics when we were discussing the parthership offer from the All Golds. I did worry that it would impact on players who have been with us for years and work hard in training - if I was losing my place to a player sent down for a week or two by Brad Hepi, I would be annoyed. So far, it's worked well, and our players seem to have raised their games. We improved a lot in the second half of last season and we seem to have continued to improve, which I think we would have done regardless of whether we had a dual reg deal or not. In fact, I'd argue our best players this year have been those who have nothing to do with the All Golds - young forwards (in particular) who did well last year but have continued to get stronger thanks to a winter's strength and conditioning work.

Odsal Outlaw also mentioned that "you couldn't have a system where players only dual reg with their club of origin". I'd actually expect that to be seriously looked at in future - it may be how the RFL 'sweetens' any deal with the NCL. I'm not saying it will happen, or even that the NCL clubs would be open to it, but it would certainly make some sense - if players aren't getting games at their pro clubs, why not let them go back to their amateur club? Strengthens the amateur club, sees players returning to their communities, stops this drain of players to academies and pro squads who don't get enough game time.

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And why not? Any of the other clubs can do that, too. Obviously it's harder for clubs further south to do that, but many teams at Tier 3 (Conference League South) and Tier 4 (regional leagues) have players with previous BARLA experience. People move around the country over the time these days for work, study etc so it's no big thing.

As far as I can tell, the make up of the Sheffield-Hallam side hasn't changed much in recent weeks, it's just that they're playing better. The signs were always there - I mean they scored lots of points against us (40) and Leicester (around the same) before their games against St Albans and Northampton, they've just tightened up their defence. I think there are three players who have first team experience with the Eagles - two who played in pre-season friendlies, and another who was a regular a couple of years back but has been out of favour since (Corey Hanson). He's been playing for the Hallam Uni side as well, as he studies there.

I was chatting to someone from another club about dual reg yesterday (not Nottingham, as it happens) and he said: "What's the big deal? If it makes the standard of the league better, I'm all for it. I'd rather have tougher games every week."

I have to admit I personally had doubts about whether it would work for the Sonics when we were discussing the parthership offer from the All Golds. I did worry that it would impact on players who have been with us for years and work hard in training - if I was losing my place to a player sent down for a week or two by Brad Hepi, I would be annoyed. So far, it's worked well, and our players seem to have raised their games. We improved a lot in the second half of last season and we seem to have continued to improve, which I think we would have done regardless of whether we had a dual reg deal or not. In fact, I'd argue our best players this year have been those who have nothing to do with the All Golds - young forwards (in particular) who did well last year but have continued to get stronger thanks to a winter's strength and conditioning work.

Odsal Outlaw also mentioned that "you couldn't have a system where players only dual reg with their club of origin". I'd actually expect that to be seriously looked at in future - it may be how the RFL 'sweetens' any deal with the NCL. I'm not saying it will happen, or even that the NCL clubs would be open to it, but it would certainly make some sense - if players aren't getting games at their pro clubs, why not let them go back to their amateur club? Strengthens the amateur club, sees players returning to their communities, stops this drain of players to academies and pro squads who don't get enough game time.

The system in theory is good but it doesn't allow for the mardy human nature, we gain strength in our second team this year because we didn't play the first as a second team when they didn't have a game.

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If the eagles add some good barla players to their side they'll walk this league. Easily the best side the demons have played in years and that's counting widnes 21's, they're a proper mini pro outfit schooled well in RL.

Personally I'm indifferent to the duel reg issue. i like the raising of the standards but also believe that this is too low a level for champ one players right now. Also 4 champ one players at this level is worth roughly 30 points to a team in this division imo. The eagles have to play somewhere so I've no gripe with them but in reality their players would also develop better themselves if they we're playing in NCL 2, unfortunately there is no chance of promotion.

Ironically talking about BARLA I believe the Demons could be joining in the near future.

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