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They are run by several governing bodies but run very very well indeed

RFU England/Championship/Everything else

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I suppose RU just attracts people of greater intelligence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The true answer is that I don't exactly know how they will get 7,000.

Thanks for the truth!!

Thanks also for your persistent optimism.

According to Hindle X111 we are "poison"!!!!!!

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Thanks for the truth!!

Thanks also for your persistent optimism.

According to Hindle X111 we are "poison"!!!!!!

 

That is the truth, but also true is the fact that many teams have upped their attendances as i quoted and it is also true that, given the right circumstances they can up them further. As we know Halifax have previous convictions in the 7,000 range, Barrow have the Furness peninsula to themselves and with a new ground,on field success, and investment, and the fact that the shipyards still provide decent employment, I see no reason why they could not up their attendances.

 

Sheffield is a work in progress, but seem to have cracked to 1200 barrier recently and with further success, a new stadium and the continued decline of the Sheffield soccer teams, who knows.. Featherstone have worked wonders so far from their CC1 days. The truth is I just don't know but equally neither do you. there are other examples but I don't want to go on too long.

 

It seems to me though that tere are many positive looking stories whereby attendances are slowly inching up as opposed to the odd disaster as at the Broncos. I am an optomist but not I hope a cockeyed one. You should try it sometime.

 

You and I are at odds on many points and both seem to be stubborn Yorkshireman with a good knowldgw of the game at out disposal and the cillision in arguments is inevitable. Poison,. well that's a strong word. Monopolising of threads, well i guess we could both plead guilty to that but it's up to the others to knock us off our perch with their arguments and points of view.

 

In my opinion we provoke a wide range of views, usually opposing, on a range of RL issues and that, to me, is what this board is about.

 

If neither of us defended out corner then one view would prevail by default and the points made would be weaker for it.

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That is the truth, but also true is the fact that many teams have upped their attendances as i quoted and it is also true that, given the right circumstances they can up them further. As we know Halifax have previous convictions in the 7,000 range, Barrow have the Furness peninsula to themselves,I see no reason why they could not up their attendances. Sheffield is a work in progress, but seem to have cracked to 1200 barrier recently and with further success, a new stadium and the continued decline of the Sheffield soccer teams, who knows.. Featherstone have worked wonders so far from their CC1 days. I am an optomist but not I hope a cockeyed one. You should try it sometime?

 

You and I are at odds on many points and both seem to be stubborn Yorkshireman with a good knowldgw of the game at out disposal and the cillision in arguments is inevitable. Poison,. well that's a strong word. Monopolising of threads, well i guess we could both plead guilty to that?

1. It's true clubs draw some great crowds, compared with many in the past and the level of support for the game is arguably as good as it's ever been. For a Castleford to be on over a 7,000 average and HKR to be on over 8,000 is something that back in the pre-SL days, if a crystal ball had revealed those figures to their fans as future attendances they'd be very happy. If you then said that their clubs would be facing a slide to deaths door on those figures they'd be severely perplexed.

That's where we are sadly and the idea (a good one) that we drop the salary cap to something sixteen clubs can afford and maybe allocate SKY money according to need is supremely well intentioned.

The simple hurdle is the effect on the game of removing £millions of pounds worth of wages the top clubs can afford to save the bottom clubs. Ian Millward said the majority of clubs pay full cap and Cas are left behind. Bring the bar down just for Cas or HKR and what would happen. Ian Millward again said that Chase's move to Illawara was just another NRL move for the best in England and this would go on. Surely dragging the cap down would make a trickle and exodus?

2. I'm so proud to be a part of the "Poison Brothers" bringing our act to a keyboard near you. It's a shame that some individuals can't hold their manners and mean spirits. I love these types of threads and stay out of most threads not about the history and development of the game. I try to be logical in argument and courteous in manners but apparently to Hindle it's "poison".

Maybe I post too much and maybe it's vacuous rubbish, but it's a bit rich when Hindle's posts number thousands more than mine, perhaps they are all literary masterpieces and perceptive gems!!!!

As the mod and other posters are saying press the darn ignore button for those you can't get on with.

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No most of my posts are guff too, short guff though. ;)

 

Still, I think I made Parky and keighley have a kiss and cuddle. My plan worked!

 

Just bear in mind a lot of the time you two just argue and go round in circles, usually diluting a thread or taking it off-topic, my only gripe is people read these threads so any to-ing and fro-ing between two parties can put others off contributing.

 

Heck even another two posters pedantry of the Calder valley added to it. We all want discussion and debate, but not the same agendas shouting over others.

 

And "poison" was harsh.

 

That is all.

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No most of my posts are guff too, short guff though. ;)

 

Still, I think I made Parky and keighley have a kiss and cuddle. My plan worked!

 

Just bear in mind a lot of the time you two just argue and go round in circles, usually diluting a thread or taking it off-topic, my only gripe is people read these threads so any to-ing and fro-ing between two parties can put others off contributing.

 

Heck even another two posters pedantry of the Calder valley added to it. We all want discussion and debate, but not the same agendas shouting over others.

 

And "poison" was harsh.

 

That is all.

Getting some practice in for a future role? :huh:

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Getting some practice in for a future role? :huh:

Not at all, I actually like this place. I don't remember if I've reported anyone, nor do I ignore, I'd rather say "look, have a word" and crack on.

 

I'm no moral authority, and if someone wants to tell me to shut up I will.

 

Now if you don't mind I'm going to curl back up in my basket at the bottom of Webby's bed.

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No most of my posts are guff too, short guff though. ;)

 

Still, I think I made Parky and keighley have a kiss and cuddle. My plan worked!

I reserve the right to post long guff.

The kiss and cuddle was awful, he hadn't shaved.

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I reserve the right to post long guff.

The kiss and cuddle was awful, he hadn't shaved.

:D You two loved it really. Now play nicely or I'll slipper your legs again!

 

Nah, seriously though, too often on here serious issues or talking points become petty point scoring pedantry between posters IMO.

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:D You two loved it really. Now play nicely or I'll slipper your legs again!

 

Nah, seriously though, too often on here serious issues or talking points become petty point scoring pedantry between posters IMO.

 

It's just that people like Parksider who think they are right all the time are particularly annoying to those of us who know we are.

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I don't normally read the "On this Day" article in RLE but the one on April 8th caught my eye as it was about the proposed Super League in 1995. It states that originally there would be fourteen SL teams comprising of six merged clubs, London, Paris, Toulouse and five stand alone clubs. The stand alone clubs comprised Wigan, Leeds, St Helens, Bradford Northern and (fanfare) Halifax. I wonder what Mo saw in Halifax that Parky can't?

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I don't normally read the "On this Day" article in RLE but the one on April 8th caught my eye as it was about the proposed Super League in 1995. It states that originally there would be fourteen SL teams comprising of six merged clubs, London, Paris, Toulouse and five stand alone clubs. The stand alone clubs comprised Wigan, Leeds, St Helens, Bradford Northern and (fanfare) Halifax. I wonder what Mo saw in Halifax that Parky can't?

Interestingly he didn't even include Huddersfield.

Given that in the end Halifax and Bradford collapsed financially and Davey's lamenting Fartown can't get a crowd maybe Mo should have put the three together as Bradhuddersfax like he did with Calder.

But as this won't happen in the end Bradford may like Wakefield be the only ones in the 10 club SL1.

That the RFL bought the ground and big SL clubs rallied to Bulls cause I suspect (hey I dunno just my humble opinion) this may be the end game.

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But you keep telling us that Mo knew what he was talking about and you also tell us that there's no place in SL for Fax'. Mo obviously thought differently.

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Leeds/ bradford merge,in the long term interests of the sport ,why is that a problem?

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But you keep telling us that Mo knew what he was talking about and you also tell us that there's no place in SL for Fax'. Mo obviously thought differently.

Mo said there weren't enough fans, quality players and money men in the game for it to professionalise successfully.

He wanted the clubs to pare down to less in number and bigger in size.

They didn't mainly because the diehard fans who were probably a noisy minority would not even discuss it and as such the clubs fight each other for resources and one clubs success is another clubs downfall.

Currently there's rumours Koukash/Noble will try to take Paterson and Dobson off HKR. That's an example of a lack of quality players. If Salford start winning fans will come back but if someone else starts losing fans will melt away.

Mo was right in what he said and it has clearly IMHO come to pass. Seventeen years on and Superleague remains a mess.

After Mo proposed his club structure it didn't happen, and halifax went on to fail badly seven years on.

I think the idea that because Mo thought Halifax would make a go of it and they didn't doesn't prove anything other than on Halifax he thought wrong.

It doesn't discredit his overall analysis, and it doesn't affect my humble opinion that Halifax aren't big enough a club to stand alone and succeed in Superleague from their own resources. They eventually showed they didn't have money by 2003 they showed it again when the applied for SL last, their crowds have never got above a level that could turn a profit and currently only a handful of Halifax lads play SL regularly.

Yes Mo thought different but didn't have a crystal ball, so what's your point?

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It doesn't discredit his overall analysis, and it doesn't affect my humble opinion that Halifax aren't big enough a club to stand alone and succeed in Superleague from their own resources. They eventually showed they didn't have money by 2003 they showed it again when the applied for SL last, their crowds have never got above a level that could turn a profit and currently only a handful of Halifax lads play SL regularly.

Yes Mo thought different but didn't have a crystal ball, so what's your point?

Who does have money? A handful, no more, no less. I thought Mo was the be all and end all of RL oracles. You seem to rate him very highly on that score but simply dismiss it when he's proven wrong. You still haven't told me why Bradford and Leeds shouldn't merge as obviously both are chasing the same fans and players. Halifax didn't have money = not good enough. Bradford had big crowds but hit money problems and now run conservatively with falling crowds = carry on Bradford. I just don't see your logic of, don't have money now, never will have money. As I said in a previous post, who knows what would have happened had Peter Deakin pitched up at Halifax instead of Bradford?

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That is the truth, but also true is the fact that many teams have upped their attendances as i quoted and it is also true that, given the right circumstances they can up them further. As we know Halifax have previous convictions in the 7,000 range, Barrow have the Furness peninsula to themselves and with a new ground,on field success, and investment, and the fact that the shipyards still provide decent employment, I see no reason why they could not up their attendances.

 

Sheffield is a work in progress, but seem to have cracked to 1200 barrier recently and with further success, a new stadium and the continued decline of the Sheffield soccer teams, who knows.. Featherstone have worked wonders so far from their CC1 days. The truth is I just don't know but equally neither do you. there are other examples but I don't want to go on too long.

 

It seems to me though that tere are many positive looking stories whereby attendances are slowly inching up as opposed to the odd disaster as at the Broncos. I am an optomist but not I hope a cockeyed one. You should try it sometime.

 

You and I are at odds on many points and both seem to be stubborn Yorkshireman with a good knowldgw of the game at out disposal and the cillision in arguments is inevitable. Poison,. well that's a strong word. Monopolising of threads, well i guess we could both plead guilty to that but it's up to the others to knock us off our perch with their arguments and points of view.

 

In my opinion we provoke a wide range of views, usually opposing, on a range of RL issues and that, to me, is what this board is about.

 

If neither of us defended out corner then one view would prevail by default and the points made would be weaker for it.

Attendances, increases and decrease, have to be taken relatively to the overall average at the time, you quote Wigan at 4,000 to 15,000, I presume you mean Wigan at 4,505 in 78/79 when the first division averaged 4,128.

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Fax was surely nothing more than a nod to recent history. They won the league in 89 I think? It would obviously have been a mistake and they would have been replaced or perhaps Davy would have been successful with a joint Hudds/Halifax proposal, which I would actually like to see going forward.

A bit of tinkering about the edges of Mo's proposal a few years in doesn't entirely discredit it. This was really the bigger problem than the proposal itself - it was drawn up and rubber-stamped too hurriedly. With patience and better fan involvement it could have been fabulous and its best aspects should still be implemented.

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Mo said there weren't enough fans, quality players and money men in the game for it to professionalise successfully.

He wanted the clubs to pare down to less in number and bigger in size.

They didn't mainly because the diehard fans who were probably a noisy minority would not even discuss it and as such the clubs fight each other for resources and one clubs success is another clubs downfall.

Currently there's rumours Koukash/Noble will try to take Paterson and Dobson off HKR. That's an example of a lack of quality players. If Salford start winning fans will come back but if someone else starts losing fans will melt away.

Mo was right in what he said and it has clearly IMHO come to pass. Seventeen years on and Superleague remains a mess.

After Mo proposed his club structure it didn't happen, and halifax went on to fail badly seven years on.

I think the idea that because Mo thought Halifax would make a go of it and they didn't doesn't prove anything other than on Halifax he thought wrong.

It doesn't discredit his overall analysis, and it doesn't affect my humble opinion that Halifax aren't big enough a club to stand alone and succeed in Superleague from their own resources. They eventually showed they didn't have money by 2003 they showed it again when the applied for SL last, their crowds have never got above a level that could turn a profit and currently only a handful of Halifax lads play SL regularly.

Yes Mo thought different but didn't have a crystal ball, so what's your point?

 

And with this assinine DR system there will be even less juniors produced to a professional level in the future.

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Attendances, increases and decrease, have to be taken relatively to the overall average at the time, you quote Wigan at 4,000 to 15,000, I presume you mean Wigan at 4,505 in 78/79 when the first division averaged 4,128.

 

I mean Wigan in the second division, whenever that was.

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And with this assinine DR system there will be even less juniors produced to a professional level in the future.

The DR system doesn't produce juniors the amateur game does and it produces the most where Sl clubs are subccessful, but bend your argument to champion the old days and ways.

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Who does have money? A handful, no more, no less. I thought Mo was the be all and end all of RL oracles. You seem to rate him very highly on that score but simply dismiss it when he's proven wrong. You still haven't told me why Bradford and Leeds shouldn't merge as obviously both are chasing the same fans and players. Halifax didn't have money = not good enough. Bradford had big crowds but hit money problems and now run conservatively with falling crowds = carry on Bradford. I just don't see your logic of, don't have money now, never will have money. As I said in a previous post, who knows what would have happened had Peter Deakin pitched up at Halifax instead of Bradford?

Mo had it right about resources. That's all I have ever said.

Leeds and bradford have proved they can be big Superleague clubs.

Entierly up to you to believe that on the showings of the two clubs, Halifax and Bradford, over the last 17 years halifax would be the better bet.

Just justify it please?

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