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Only had 2games played, london never get a crowd n cas was on sky and at same time as grand national I expect tomorrows games to be as normal

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I cant see KR getting much more than 6k

 

Wigan 10k

Leeds 15k

Hull 10 k

Salford 4 k

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If you don't mind, please can you delete the incorrect apostrophe in the title?

If it turns out that the aggregate attendance at this round of SL is the lowest on record, how would you interpret that?

You may also be asked why you have left out the Championship.

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If you don't mind, please can you delete the incorrect apostrophe in the title?

If it turns out that the aggregate attendance at this round of SL is the lowest on record, how would you interpret that?

You may also be asked why you have left out the Championship.

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Thursday 11th April 2013

KINGSTONE PRESS CHAMPIONSHIP

Doncaster v Featherstone 19:30

 

 

Saturday 13th April 2013

KINGSTONE PRESS CHAMPIONSHIP ONE

Oxford v South Wales 14:30

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Thursday 11th April 2013

KINGSTONE PRESS CHAMPIONSHIP

Doncaster v Featherstone 19:30

 

 

Saturday 13th April 2013

KINGSTONE PRESS CHAMPIONSHIP ONE

Oxford v South Wales 14:30

Next week.

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Sadly, you are mistaken. They are this week. Just look at the dates.

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Sadly, you are mistaken. They are this week. Just look at the dates.

No your mistaken.  There is not a Championship round this week.  It's like saying SL matches on a Friday night are not counted with Sundays rounds but the previous weeks.

 

So lets say Leeds Rhinos play on a Sunday but there next game is on a Friday.  Does this mean that you would count 2 Leeds crowds into 1 round? Or like usual do you change the tune to try to defend the emabassing attendance figures.  

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The original post was "Could this week be the lowest SL aggregate crowd for a round of SL?"

 

Week.   Do you see?  W....E....E....K.  

 

anyway, if you want an argument, why not start one with the other Featherstone fan...if you can find one.

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The original post was "Could this week be the lowest SL aggregate crowd for a round of SL?"

 

Week.   Do you see?  W....E....E....K.  

 

anyway, if you want an argument, why not start one with the other Featherstone fan...if you can find one.

Take a look at Mr Predantic.  Can we change the wording to round an then have a response from you?

 

Your last comment just shows how desperate you are by trying to divert attention away from the shocking attendance figures.  You can dress it up which ever way you want (Grand national, nice weather, anual international tiddly wink competiotion) the crowds from London and Cas are an embarassment.

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I cant see KR getting much more than 6k............7.600

 

Wigan 10k .....12.500

Leeds 15k        

Hull 10 .........10.00

Salford 4 ........5.600 at widnes

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Could this week be the lowest SL aggregate crowd for a round of SL?

 

 

 

Just to be clear, yes as any round could be.  But it was not even the lowest this season.

 

Round 5 was a 50,207 aggregate (Salford 2.3k, Saints 12.2k, Cas 7.2k, Widnes 5.5k, Hull KR 7.4k, Hudds, 7.6k, Cas 7.8k)

Round 11 had a 55,117 aggregate (Cas 3.2k, London 1.4k, Hull 10.0k, Hull KR 7.6k, Widnes 5.5k, Wigan 12.1k, Leeds 15k)

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The original post was "Could this week be the lowest SL aggregate crowd for a round of SL?"

 

Week.   Do you see?  W....E....E....K.  

 

anyway, if you want an argument, why not start one with the other Featherstone fan...if you can find one.

Worst. Pedantry, Ever.

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Just to be clearer, I have been able to access the data and this week (round 11) was the 191st lowest attended round of Super League.

 

This is based on a match average per round to account for seasons with 12 teams and includes 1999 when some rounds featured teams playing twice.  But it does not account for rearranged fixtures, so if you want actual weekends and not rounds the actual position may be different but only slightly.

 

There are also still 2 incomplete rounds this year. Leeds v Widnes in round 4 (WCC) only needs an attendance of 8952 to beat this weekend, but Wakey v Leeds in round 8 (snow) will be lower as it needs an attendance of 12,901 which is greater than the Belle Vue capacity.

 

The lowest ever attendance was for round 20 in 1996 which had an aggregate of 24,099, an average of 4k (Wigan 7.8k, Paris 4k, Wire 4.3k, Oldham 2.3k, Sheffield 3.2k, Workington 2.4k).

 

For something only featuring current Super League teams, the 5th worst attended was round 19 in 2006 with an aggregate of 30,551 and average of 5.1k (Salford 4.2k, Catalan 4.5k, London 4.1k, Cas 5.4k, Hudds 7.4k, Wakey 4.9k).

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Just to be clearer, I have been able to access the data and this week (round 11) was the 191st lowest attended round of Super League.

 

This is based on a match average per round to account for seasons with 12 teams and includes 1999 when some rounds featured teams playing twice.  But it does not account for rearranged fixtures, so if you want actual weekends and not rounds the actual position may be different but only slightly.

 

There are also still 2 incomplete rounds this year. Leeds v Widnes in round 4 (WCC) only needs an attendance of 8952 to beat this weekend, but Wakey v Leeds in round 8 (snow) will be lower as it needs an attendance of 12,901 which is greater than the Belle Vue capacity.

 

The lowest ever attendance was for round 20 in 1996 which had an aggregate of 24,099, an average of 4k (Wigan 7.8k, Paris 4k, Wire 4.3k, Oldham 2.3k, Sheffield 3.2k, Workington 2.4k).

 

For something only featuring current Super League teams, the 5th worst attended was round 19 in 2006 with an aggregate of 30,551 and average of 5.1k (Salford 4.2k, Catalan 4.5k, London 4.1k, Cas 5.4k, Hudds 7.4k, Wakey 4.9k).

Just to be even clearer...could you please provide the top 10 of lowest aggregate when Leeds and Wigan , or preferably the top 4 crowd pullers at any one time, are away from home...am i right in thinking that SL as a sporting competition pulls in less than a 7,000 average , i.e incredibly dire in modern times,  if you take away the top 4 crowd merchants..????

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Just to be clear, I used the per match average (aggregate divided by matches) to compare rounds with different numbers of matches, in 1999 some even had 10 home games per round because of the midweek fixtures.

 

Counting just the previous four years from 2009 when we went to 14 teams and franchising, then there have been 16 lower attended rounds than this weekend.  The lowest was round 23 in 2010 with 45,129 aggregate and a 6.5k average (Hull 12.7k, Catalans 7.8k, Hull KR 7.8k, Crusaders 1.5k, Hudds 5.3k, Salford 4.6k, Wakey 5.2k).

 

There have only been 4 rounds in that time with an average of less than 7k, all were when both Leeds and Wigan were playing away and Crusaders and at least one of Salford or London were at home.  Those were rounds 16 in 2011 (aggregate 46,294 average 6.6k) round 17 in 2010 (aggregate 47,889 average 6.8k) and round 18 in 2011 (aggregate 48,726 average 6.9k).

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Probably the best way to look at things like this is to compare the 7 games that were played versus their lowest SL figures if there is a desire to dig out something negative.

 

So, for the 7 games played this round:

 

SL lowest combined = 45,918

SL highest combined = 76,090

2013 combined = 55,117

 

So, whilst some of the crowds were low (3 of them were the lowest SL crowds for those games ever) - as you can see the combined amount is almost 10k higher than the worst total.

 

I think people sometimes forget how low some crowds were even 10 years ago.

 

As for taking Leeds' and Wigan's crowds out, why the hell would you do that? Their crowds have been low at times during SL - I'm sure people didn;t want to artificially boost these then.

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Just to be even clearer...could you please provide the top 10 of lowest aggregate when Leeds and Wigan , or preferably the top 4 crowd pullers at any one time, are away from home...am i right in thinking that SL as a sporting competition pulls in less than a 7,000 average , i.e incredibly dire in modern times,  if you take away the top 4 crowd merchants..????

It takes a special type of bitterness to try and reinterpret the crowds in this way.

Not only are you taking out the top 4 clubs (29% of the league) to make out that the crowds are shocking, but you are also reinterpreting them for 'modern times,' as if modern times now guarantee a sport higher crowds.

Why didn't you reinterpret the crowds by taking out the bottom 4 clubs?

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It takes a special type of bitterness to try and reinterpret the crowds in this way.

Not only are you taking out the top 4 clubs (29% of the league) to make out that the crowds are shocking, but you are also reinterpreting them for 'modern times,' as if modern times now guarantee a sport higher crowds.

Why didn't you reinterpret the crowds by taking out the bottom 4 clubs?

 

No bitterness involved, just showing , as you have done yourself, that figures can be manipulated to back up an argument either way...

 

As i happen to think happens at regular intervals in Rugby League with little or no accountability...i just cannot see why some people are so dead against a proper debate/inquiry into the course and future of Super League and Rugby League as a whole..

 

The evidence is there that the game is not sustainable in its current form...

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Let's be clear, there does look to have been a genuine decline in crowds this year. They will still be historically high but there is little denying that some clubs appear to be struggling.

There are obviously some clubs like Salford and London that must be seen as having years out of the ordinary. Salford almost didn't start the season which has obviously had an effect with season tickets and the like. A better judge of them will be next year. London's have dropped but I dislike the way the crowds on the road are being jumped on as evidence; these are obviously extreme circumstances that will not be repeated every year.

Whilst I think most clubs are looking at a decline, the most worrying for me would be Cas, Huddersfield, Catalans and Bradford. I don't think it's any coincidence that two of those clubs benefitted from the ridiculously low season ticket prices. Castleford seem to be imploding, which is sad as they have such a historically loyal support and they seem to have flipped places with Wakefield who for years played very much second fiddle. Catalans last crowd against Leeds was back to where it should be but most have been lower than normal even for the time of year.

You have to question where it is coming from. I think we have done well up until now to be resilient during the economic crisis and there was obviously going to be a point where this had an effect, especially when you consider the demographic of many RL fans. Apathy also needs to be considered though, we're into our 5th year of a system that is alien to most fans. It has to be considered that a number of fans are seeing games as less crucial than others and I hate to say it but I think Leeds' heroics could have damaged the credibility of the weekly rounds. Whether an unrepeatable fluke or not, it has certainly led to a feeling that the league positions don't mean nearly as much as they should. It's hard to get excited about your prospects knowing that it means little come September.

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No bitterness involved, just showing , as you have done yourself, that figures can be manipulated to back up an argument either way...

 

As i happen to think happens at regular intervals in Rugby League with little or no accountability...i just cannot see why some people are so dead against a proper debate/inquiry into the course and future of Super League and Rugby League as a whole..

 

The evidence is there that the game is not sustainable in its current form...

How is there no bitterness involved when you have manipulated the figures to portray a negative picture of the game? I only did so in reply to your manipulation, why do it that way in the first place?

There is a huge difference between debating the future of Super League properly and doing it after you have manipulated figures to the point you call them, 'incredibly dire in modern times.'

There is literally no point having a 'debate/inquiry' with somebody that is coming at it from a position where they are wanting the game to look like it is a failure whether it really is or not.

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