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I was just looking over the superleague table, having been out of the loop a bit recently.

Is it just me who thinks there are probably only 10 teams who are realistic every week contenders, that is to say each could regularly turn over any of the other 9. Is this why there are rumours if two 10 team conferences of superleague?

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I was just looking over the superleague table, having been out of the loop a bit recently.

Is it just me who thinks there are probably only 10 teams who are realistic every week contenders, that is to say each could regularly turn over any of the other 9. Is this why there are rumours if two 10 team conferences of superleague?

No - the reason was wishful thinking....

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I was just looking over the superleague table, having been out of the loop a bit recently.

Is it just me who thinks there are probably only 10 teams who are realistic every week contenders, that is to say each could regularly turn over any of the other 9. Is this why there are rumours if two 10 team conferences of superleague?

I would have thought so.

I imagine most people think there's only three or four contenders.

If there are ten, as you say, then really we need to expand to sixteen or even eighteen teams.

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If you had a 10 team league,someone would still be bottom.No doubt someone would then suggest a 8 or 9 team league.

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If you had a 10 team league,someone would still be bottom.No doubt someone would then suggest a 8 or 9 team league.

Why would they if the bottom team had the resources to do better the following year?

It's not coming bottom that is a problem at all.

It's not having the money or players to compete that is the problem.

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10 teams for me......

1. wigan

2. st helens

3. warrington

4. huddersfield

5. bradford

6. leeds

7. hull fc

8. hull kr

9. catalan

10. london

would produce a incredibly good league imo

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10 teams for me......

1. wigan

2. st helens

3. warrington

4. huddersfield

5. bradford

6. leeds

7. hull fc

8. hull kr

9. catalan

10. london

would produce a incredibly good league imo

No it wouldn't.

Don't you appreciate a good league needs money?

HKR don't have any so why put them in? You want Wigan to smash them three times a season?

Salford may be the richest club in the Rugby League and they are NOT in??

The strongest area of RL for fans(up to 20,000) and players (20 quality home grown talents) is the Calder area and you've left them all out.

It's a recipe for disaster.

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10 teams for me......

1. wigan

2. st helens

3. warrington

4. huddersfield

5. bradford

6. leeds

7. hull fc

8. Merged Calder Team

9. catalan

10. london

11. Salford

12. Toulouse

would produce a incredibly good league imo

I think 12 would be ok, if Sky paid the same as they do now the extra money could be split with London, Toulouse and a merged Calder team receiving a higher weighting. London should get at least another £500k.

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I think 12 would be ok, if Sky paid the same as they do now the extra money could be split with London, Toulouse and a merged Calder team receiving a higher weighting. London should get at least another £500k.

Or we could merge Leeds and Bradford

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Or we could merge Leeds and Bradford

Ok, let's do that, that leaves another spot for maybe another London team or even a team from the East MIdlands.

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I think 12 would be ok, if Sky paid the same as they do now the extra money could be split with London, Toulouse and a merged Calder team receiving a higher weighting. London should get at least another £500k.

If the game has to go to 12 or 10 clubs it will be time for RFL/SLE to sort out a Superleague properly instead of leaving it to the clubs to independently sort themselves out with the clubs for SL depending on who has a rich daddy at any given time.

So things like picking the teams strategically and geographically to maximise their resources, and yes giving extra money to clubs who need it to develop and more central control etc.

Because if we went to 10 clubs then I can't see many of those left out going anywhere but downwards rapidly, and if a couple of the superten then went bust that would be a heck of a mess.

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If the game has to go to 12 or 10 clubs it will be time for RFL/SLE to sort out a Superleague properly instead of leaving it to the clubs to independently sort themselves out with the clubs for SL depending on who has a rich daddy at any given time.

So things like picking the teams strategically and geographically to maximise their resources, and yes giving extra money to clubs who need it to develop and more central control etc.

Because if we went to 10 clubs then I can't see many of those left out going anywhere but downwards rapidly, and if a couple of the superten then went bust that would be a heck of a mess.

Nah , surely the Championship would become more ' Vibrant and worth winning in its own right ' then , that nice Mr Wood said so a couple of years ago , it has to happen eventually , doesnt it ?

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Nah , surely the Championship would become more ' Vibrant and worth winning in its own right ' then , that nice Mr Wood said so a couple of years ago , it has to happen eventually , doesnt it ?

I take that as tongue in cheek and take your point. I too could only hope the Championship would have become a strong league with the move to 14 clubs. Instead clubs abandoned independence and tied in to Superleague clubs for survival, whilst clubs who were still talking about Superleague have seen their own crowds drop and Leigh spoke of having no money and an "ageing fanbase"

The bad news from Castleford and now HKR isn't going to help the championship, just add more casualties to the trolleys in the championship hospital corridors and maybe push a couple of clubs down into the "League of death". Radical changes are necessary for the game to survive.

If it was a ten club league I'd bet the RFL/SLE would go for Leeds, Hull, Wakefield, Bradford, Toulouse, Les catalans, Salford, Saints, Wire and Wigan. Running to a policy of every resource in the game being pumped into these ten.

The recently stated reluctance of money men at HKR, Widnes, Fartown, Cas, to go on funding deficits forever is IMHO telling....I think some of these people know what;s coming 2015

But I would not be happy with a ten club league one little bit.

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I take that as tongue in cheek and take your point. I too could only hope the Championship would have become a strong league with the move to 14 clubs. Instead clubs abandoned independence and tied in to Superleague clubs for survival, whilst clubs who were still talking about Superleague have seen their own crowds drop and Leigh spoke of having no money and an "ageing fanbase"

The bad news from Castleford and now HKR isn't going to help the championship, just add more casualties to the trolleys in the championship hospital corridors and maybe push a couple of clubs down into the "League of death". Radical changes are necessary for the game to survive.

If it was a ten club league I'd bet the RFL/SLE would go for Leeds, Hull, Wakefield, Bradford, Toulouse, Les catalans, Salford, Saints, Wire and Wigan. Running to a policy of every resource in the game being pumped into these ten.

The recently stated reluctance of money men at HKR, Widnes, Fartown, Cas, to go on funding deficits forever is IMHO telling....I think some of these people know what;s coming 2015

But I would not be happy with a ten club league one little bit.

They dont actually know , the ' Census ' I suggested they do ended up being a similar survey to the one posted on here , with not enough actual information to make any conclusions of any importance

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I take that as tongue in cheek and take your point. I too could only hope the Championship would have become a strong league with the move to 14 clubs. Instead clubs abandoned independence and tied in to Superleague clubs for survival, whilst clubs who were still talking about Superleague have seen their own crowds drop and Leigh spoke of having no money and an "ageing fanbase"

The bad news from Castleford and now HKR isn't going to help the championship, just add more casualties to the trolleys in the championship hospital corridors and maybe push a couple of clubs down into the "League of death". Radical changes are necessary for the game to survive.

If it was a ten club league I'd bet the RFL/SLE would go for Leeds, Hull, Wakefield, Bradford, Toulouse, Les catalans, Salford, Saints, Wire and Wigan. Running to a policy of every resource in the game being pumped into these ten.

The recently stated reluctance of money men at HKR, Widnes, Fartown, Cas, to go on funding deficits forever is IMHO telling....I think some of these people know what;s coming 2015

But I would not be happy with a ten club league one little bit.

As a sport are we setting the sights far to high for it's own good.

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No it wouldn't.

Don't you appreciate a good league needs money?

HKR don't have any so why put them in? You want Wigan to smash them three times a season?

Salford may be the richest club in the Rugby League and they are NOT in??

The strongest area of RL for fans(up to 20,000) and players (20 quality home grown talents) is the Calder area and you've left them all out.

It's a recipe for disaster.

clubs not in my 10 super league would be in a revamped championship....with a one up one down P&R process....

so no one has be "left out".....

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With this in mind, is it that we only have a talent pool to sustain this many teams?

Would promo and relegation just mean these players changing teams?

Should we look at minimum youth requirements for superleague? Should they be the ones developing geographic areas? At ther cost?

Like someone said, these clubs get all the money, shouldn't they HAVE to create players which can benefit the lower teams aswell?

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A merger between Leeds and Bradford would be foolish. Neither ground can accommodate the average combined attendance of the clubs. One side, almost certainly leeds, would be seen as the majority partner and Bradford fans would desert inn droves.

Now a Bradford and Huddersfield merger would work. so would a Cas and Trinity merger.

There is no reason why Bradford, Huddersfield, Cas and Trinity couldn't also be the bases for Championship teams, with the Championship returning to a winter season.

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Two FT tens it has to be then with 1 up 1 down. Dropping from SL to PT with no promotion would kill those clubs as it is killing those in Championship who have ambition

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As a sport are we setting the sights far to high for it's own good.

I think you have a brilliant point there Marauder.

Wages are set as high as possible to supposedly stop Union and NRL raids, but I fear they get the players they want anyway.

Those games don't need lot's of European RL stars, so it may be that your point is a good one.

Put the cap down and organise 14 clubs who all can spend it and you may have something......

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clubs not in my 10 super league would be in a revamped championship....with a one up one down P&R process....

so no one has be "left out".....

Point taken.....

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Should we look at minimum youth requirements for superleague? Should they be the ones developing geographic areas? At their cost?

Like someone said, these clubs get all the money, shouldn't they HAVE to create players which can benefit the lower teams as well?

Superleague clubs are already required by the licence to have youth development programmes and some are active in "new" areas at their cost.

They may get "all the money" but it's woefully short in terms of being able to run a professional side and a youth development side to any great degree.

SL clubs produce players that "benefit the lower teams as well" both by cast offs signing for the lower teams and by Dual Reg.

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A merger between Leeds and Bradford would be foolish. Neither ground can accommodate the average combined attendance of the clubs. One side, almost certainly leeds, would be seen as the majority partner and Bradford fans would desert inn droves.

Now a Bradford and Huddersfield merger would work. so would a Cas and Trinity merger.

There is no reason why Bradford, Huddersfield, Cas and Trinity couldn't also be the bases for Championship teams, with the Championship returning to a winter season.

I love this post because it is realism and radicalism all in one!!

I don't think the calder area could fail to provide a club that could match Leeds Wigan or Hull.

Equally the trip from Fartown to the Shay to Odsal is a relatively small triangle and like calder probably has up to 20,000 RL fans and enough quality players for a near home grown quality 25 man squad.

The thing is in Calder you want castleford and Ponte's juniors, Featherstones Nahaboos money, and Wakefields ground and support.

In Bradhuddersfax you want Fax as a strong junior base, Fartowns ground and Bradfords crowd, Daveys money etc etc.

These two areas really mirror each other.

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