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Thatcher - Has passed away.

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He's an idiot.

 

There is a distinction between not speaking of ill of the dead (which is nonsense) and celebrating their death (which is distasteful).

 

I can understand that for some the 1980s was painful enough that they might find this difficult to follow in practice but it's the so-and-sos that weren't really affected by it that just need to vent that are a bit much.

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He's an idiot.

There is a distinction between not speaking of ill of the dead (which is nonsense) and celebrating their death (which is distasteful).

I can understand that for some the 1980s was painful enough that they might find this difficult to follow in practice but it's the so-and-sos that weren't really affected by it that just need to vent that are a bit much.

I disagree the negative critique of her (of which there is a lot) should not be suppressed otherwise the outcome will be to distort history.

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Absolutely no time for her whatsoever, but she has family and friends who will mourn her departure and for them I am sure the loss is no less than that felt by your average bloke down the pub in similar circumstances.

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she had a big impact on my and my fathers life and we will shed no tears for her.

my father,my brother, and many of my cousins

and no I wont either.

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I disagree the negative critique of her (of which there is a lot) should not be suppressed otherwise the outcome will be to distort history.

 

Negative critique is one thing but celebration is another.

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Being from a shipbuilding town she tried to destroy, I only seen happy smiling faces today at work today.

No love for maggie in barrow

thatcher saved your town.

The Trident programme was a Thatcher policy.

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The response to her death isn't about 'achieving anything'. It's a vent for those who were adversely affected by her, and also against the gushing nonsense we've been subjected to by the media so far today.

 

What's really quite interesting is how the most prominent reactions of that sort are coming from people who have actually been very positively affected by Thatcher throughout their careers. Comedians and various other celebrities who have made a comfortable career out of opposing what she supposedly stood for, even though some of them are too young to remember what life was like before she came to power.

 

A reasoned critique of Thatcher and her policies is one thing, and should be welcomed, but to spew out vile insults on Twitter or other social media, and to want to be seen to be doing that to curry favour with their supposed audience, is pathetic, in my view.

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What's really quite interesting is how the most prominent reactions of that sort are coming from people who have actually been very positively affected by Thatcher throughout their careers. Comedians and various other celebrities who have made a comfortable career out of opposing what she supposedly stood for, even though some of them are too young to remember what life was like before she came to power.

 

A reasoned critique of Thatcher and her policies is one thing, and should be welcomed, but to spew out vile insults on Twitter or other social media, and to want to be seen to be doing that to curry favour with their supposed audience, is pathetic, in my view.

Tony Benn pretty much does that Martyn

I'm trying to find the quotes, but what he says rises above the emetic, hysterical dross.

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thatcher saved your town.

The Trident programme was a Thatcher policy.

 

Yes, I also thought that was a surprising claim to make.

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A lot of the extreme reaction would have already died away if it were not for the horrendous air-brushing of history going on as we speak. I'm sure a more considered reaction from the media will come, but saviour of the nation launched my own 10 minute rant about the evils she committed.

 

If she committed evil acts she certainly should not have been supported by anyone.

 

I'd be quite interested to know what you think they were.

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What's really quite interesting is how the most prominent reactions of that sort are coming from people who have actually been very positively affected by Thatcher throughout their careers. Comedians and various other celebrities who have made a comfortable career out of opposing what she supposedly stood for, even though some of them are too young to remember what life was like before she came to power.

 

A reasoned critique of Thatcher and her policies is one thing, and should be welcomed, but to spew out vile insults on Twitter or other social media, and to want to be seen to be doing that to curry favour with their supposed audience, is pathetic, in my view.

Social media has brought out that latent desire in certain people to string someone up just for the fun of it. The mob mentality.  It's a disturbing feature of humanity that I have never understood and always leaves me feeling very uncomfortable. 

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If she committed evil acts she certainly should not have been supported by anyone.

 

I'd be quite interested to know what you think they were.

There is a lot of hyperbole flying around and I doubt many people are actually thinking at all.

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If she committed evil acts she certainly should not have been supported by anyone.

 

I'd be quite interested to know what you think they were.

If she committed evil acts she certainly should not have been supported by anyone.

 

I'd be quite interested to know what you think they were.

'good' and 'evil' are value judgements.

I don't doubt for a minute that the Thatcher government and their supporters thought and still think that what was done was good and right.

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If she committed evil acts she certainly should not have been supported by anyone.

I'd be quite interested to know what yGou think they were.

it's late but for starters the cover up of hillsborough and scapegoating of the victims, refusal to sanction south Africa and castigation of Mandela as a terrorist whilst cavorting with Pinochet and other despots, torpedoing a retreating ship and killing hundreds then reacting with joy, using the police as a tool at orgreave and covering up. All these class as evil acts in my eyes. I will add to themin the morning.

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it's late but for starters the cover up of hillsborough and scapegoating of the victims, refusal to sanction south Africa and castigation of Mandela as a terrorist whilst cavorting with Pinochet and other despots, torpedoing a retreating ship and killing hundreds then reacting with joy, using the police as a tool at orgreave and covering up. All these class as evil acts in my eyes. I will add to themin the morning.

The police covered up Hillsborough and there was a widely held belief at the time that drunken fans had caused the problem (thanks to the police disinformation).  She didn't sanction South Africa because she didn't believe in sanctions as they hurt the poor and innocent but she publically condemned apartheid.  Many believed Mandela to be a terrorist just as many believed the IRA to be terrorists.  I can't remember myself whether Mandela was involved in killing but his wife certainly was.  I don't remember her cavorting with Pinochet although he was a friend and his wife had lots of shoes.  She didn't react with joy at the torpedoing of a ship.  We were at war and the press were on about the Belgrano when Thatcher wanted to point to the bravery of our own troops.  No idea what Orgreave was.

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She was an incredibly divisive figure, to the extent that those who supported her seem to feel the need now to defend her every action as though she was some infallible goddess, while those who opposed her can find no redeeming features whatsoever. There aren't any shades of grey allowed in these assessments, yet no one is ever right or wrong about absolutely everything.

The Guardian editorial sums up my own views pretty well. Critical of her political legacy, but without resorting to the kind of cheap and distracting personal insults which characterise too much of what passes for opinion these days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-editorial

There is some undeniable rewriting of history going on in many of the tributes being paid. Some of it is truly nauseating in its obsequiousness, just as much of the criticism has been ignorant, offensive and counter-productive.

She was dumped by her own side, after all, which calls into question the 'greatness' some are seeking to bestow upon her now.

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Well i for one liked her, at least she had the balls to stand up to the unions who were crippling industry

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She was dumped by her own side, after all, which calls into question the 'greatness' some are seeking to bestow upon her now.

Tbf it is said that all political careers end in failure.

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spot on

 
 Lets face the fact that you have had to issue this caution say's it all

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You agreed with the fact that it was her policies that lost the islands in the first place then?

First off, I was brought up not speak ill of the dead regardless of their politics

Secondly, as an callow youth heading down the South Atlantic to the Falklands I would like to echo Simon Weston who said agree with her policies or not we were bloody glad she was in charge during that conflict.

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I forget who said it, but it sums up my feelings about her exactly. "You knew where you were with Maggie, it was being there without a paddle that I didn't like"

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I've been uncomfotable about people saying they will celebrate her death.

 

Many of my family and many of my friends had their lives ruined by the way she orchestrated the miners' strike and the way her vassals went about their work. So the idea of a tax payers' funded national celebration of her lifein the form of a ruritanian state funeral  makes me feel even more uncomfortable: I feel like my family and friends who went through all that will b having their faces rubbed in the #### once again:That they are being mocked. Maybe a street party will be in order after all.

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She was dumped by her own side, after all, which calls into question the 'greatness' some are seeking to bestow upon her now.

 

Surely that says more about "her own side" than it does about her.

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I've been uncomfotable about people saying they will celebrate her death.

 

Many of my family and many of my friends had their lives ruined by the way she orchestrated the miners' strike and the way her vassals went about their work. So the idea of a tax payers' funded national celebration of her lifein the form of a ruritanian state funeral  makes me feel even more uncomfortable: I feel like my family and friends who went through all that will b having their faces rubbed in the #### once again:That they are being mocked. Maybe a street party will be in order after all.

I wonder what the Taxpayers' Alliance would have to say about such a profligate use of public money in these financially straitened times.

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