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Bob Crowther

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though cowards flinch and traitors sneer..........

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though cowards flinch and traitors sneer..........

I am tempted to say, then raise the scarlet standard high but I've not been to Stradey Park in Llanelli (Slash) recently.....Union is more a working class game in Wales, Pontypool was my team when I lived in Wales.....

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Stradey's gone.

 

I was going to go there for the Wales-Lebanon game back in 2000 but the floods stopped me getting there. Shame.

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I don't recall being asked to vote for my countrymen to go to war. Whether we should sell off our national assetts, assetts that we all owned to make rich a few shareholders?

I don't recall being asked by "Bullying" politicians of the time if I wanted my local authority prevented from building new affordable housing for the vulnerable and/or most needy people in our society?? I can't recall my opinion being sought over the de-reg of the banking system which is rooted firmly and deeply in the mess we have today??

I was in BACM at the time of the strike.... and did my 12 months. I know exactly what it was like. I worked for the deputy chairman of BCC, Sir John Northard after the strike and was made well aware what the political drivers of the then government was and what the furture (or lack of it) held for the coal industry.

Some communities have never really recovered fronm that strike. That administration were intent on closing 95% of the industry and selling off just a small few of what was left of that industry. Many people involved in mining, associated businesses and their communities suffered greatly because of the political motivations of the time.

There are some deeply empassioned views from some families around featherstone who suffered because of the politics of the day.

I am not one who will celebrate the death of anyone, largely as the old woman that dies last week was not the Margret Thatch that inflicted her pain across many thousands of families and their communities. Her neurological deterioration was so severe she would not have had the capacity or memory recall to process what she presided over during her term in office. In essence Mrs Thatch died ten years ago!

But I certainly aren't going to condemn those that do wish to voice their legitimate feelings about the damage she did at that time.

I started work for BCC as a trainee accountant on sept 29th 1979. There were 232 pits, employing 229,000 people just underground. Add clerical, management, ancillary staff, transport, workshops, coal prep staff etc and that number rose to over 400, 000 employess.

I think there are four pits left now.

The industry has been obliterated. I too could go on but I'm reluctant to do so. The mines have gone.... so has Mrs Thatch. I shead no tears.

thanks for that Robin, i'm not afraid to say i hated that woman with a passion and i'm glad she's gone.

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i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.

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i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.

New what he was talking about, OR, but made the  grave error of failing to ban all overtime during the twelve months prior to the predicted strike and therefore aiding maggies tactics by building up stocks. There should have been hardly a nugget stockpiled. 

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as you say Bob, an overtime ban and work to rule would have done it. i still think he's an arrogant bombast. Joe Gormley was a far better man.

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So was jack Taylor of the yorks NUM. He was never from the far left. He came across as a principled bloke and brought south yorks area coalfield out 3 weeks before the rest.

His mantra was always about protecting livelihoods.

Far left my botty.

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So was jack Taylor of the yorks NUM. He was never from the far left. He came across as a principled bloke and brought south yorks area coalfield out 3 weeks before the rest.

His mantra was always about protecting livelihoods.

Far left my botty.

I do believe that he spoke at quite a few socialist workers meetings, Robin.

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i can't agree the strike was engineered by the left, when the government was stockpiling coal for 12 months before the the strike. maggie also provoked scargill into striking in the summer months when demand for coal was at its lowest. scargill was a bombast and maggie played him.

 

Great post. ;)

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I agree that Scargill was bad for the miners, he was passionate and rallied his men around him, but he was a target for the Tories and didn't have Gormley's wisdom & guile. Two other opposing politicians would have settled for a compromise toward the end, but Maggie & Arthur didn't know the meaning of the word, and with all the dirty tricks that have come to light all these years later, there was only going to be one winner.....Whoever controlled the media! A bit like Rugby league really! (Murdoch is king, I'm sorry to say). But as long as people keep on buying The Sun and Subscribing to Sky, nothing will change!

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I agree that Scargill was bad for the miners, he was passionate and rallied his men around him, but he was a target for the Tories and didn't have Gormley's wisdom & guile. Two other opposing politicians would have settled for a compromise toward the end, but Maggie & Arthur didn't know the meaning of the word, and with all the dirty tricks that have come to light all these years later, there was only going to be one winner.....Whoever controlled the media! A bit like Rugby league really! (Murdoch is king, I'm sorry to say). But as long as people keep on buying The Sun and Subscribing to Sky, nothing will change!

Isn't it true Steve, that Sky are reigning back their finance for rugby league in 2014?. They appear to be pulling out of coverage for the cup competitions and if they do cut back it looks like going back to part time. Not a bad option IMO.

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Isn't it true Steve, that Sky are reigning back their finance for rugby league in 2014?. They appear to be pulling out of coverage for the cup competitions and if they do cut back it looks like going back to part time. Not a bad option IMO.

 Especially when you see the quality coming out of the part-time game, Bob. There are at most 8 clubs that have the income to sustain full-time rugby for their whole squad without being propped up by benefactors. The trouble is if you reduce the size of SL someone still has to be bottom, and their crowds will drop, and would fans of those excluded clubs still subscribe to Sky? I'm a firm believer in initiaives like Wakefield's season ticket offer, and other ideas to get more bums on seats. This is because the game is reliant on sponsors these days, and who would want to sponsor a club with empty terraces? Likewise with Sky, you marginalise a club and the subscriptions will drop!

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I'm just relieved we didn't have a minute's silence yesterday.

 

A minute's applause I could've coped with.

 

We had a minute's silence yesteday - for one of our suporters, the people killed at the Boston Marathon and the Hillsborough disaster.

 

So - a round hundred people and Youknowwho, rather pointedly, not one of them. :happy:

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  Especially when you see the quality coming out of the part-time game, Bob. There are at most 8 clubs that have the income to sustain full-time rugby for their whole squad without being propped up by benefactors. The trouble is if you reduce the size of SL someone still has to be bottom, and their crowds will drop, and would fans of those excluded clubs still subscribe to Sky? I'm a firm believer in initiaives like Wakefield's season ticket offer, and other ideas to get more bums on seats. This is because the game is reliant on sponsors these days, and who would want to sponsor a club with empty terraces? Likewise with Sky, you marginalise a club and the subscriptions will drop!

Just over 8,000 at three cup games this w/end. Not good enough to sustain sponsorship or attract new.

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