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London Broncos moving to Farnborough next year

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The RFL really should have invested in a suitable base in London and consolidated/centralised its operation in the capital a long time ago.

In my opinion the RFL should have looked into taking over the running of and developing somewhere like New River Stadium as a base for rugby league in the capital.

This could have provided a suitable home for both a Super League (Broncos) and a tier two club (Skolars), top class training facilities for youngsters, a venue for local finals, rep games etc and an administrative centre for all RFL staff in the south.

It was good to see Hector McNeil (IM2) suggesting something very similar in this month's RL World. My only fear is that, barring a miracle, we may already have 'jumped the shark' in terms of rugby league's continued survival as an elite level sport in the capital.

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The RFL really should have invested in a suitable base in London and consolidated/centralised its operation in the capital a long time ago.

In my opinion the RFL should have looked into taking over the running of and developing somewhere like New River Stadium as a base for rugby league in the capital.

This could have provided a suitable home for both a Super League (Broncos) and a tier two club (Skolars), top class training facilities for youngsters, a venue for local finals, rep games etc and an administrative centre for all RFL staff in the south.

Skolars and Broncos already share players, if they shared a stadium as well then Skolars would be Broncos' reserves. Who would pay money to watch Broncos A when a couple of quid more will get you into a SL game?

 

Broncos need a new home but it should not be a ground share with Skolars.

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I'm not sure Pom.

Wasn't the problem with Wasps and Sarries (and now the old ex pats clubs) that they were amateurs without professional stadia, and had to move out of London to accommodate crowds that have grown extremely well to levels London Broncos can only dream of???

 

 

My point was that there are plenty of soccer grounds actually in London. Why aren't the likes of Saracens and Wasps playing at one of those stadiums? Lack of interest from spectators or London soccer club apathy?

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Skolars and Broncos already share players, if they shared a stadium as well then Skolars would be Broncos' reserves. Who would pay money to watch Broncos A when a couple of quid more will get you into a SL game?

Broncos need a new home but it should not be a ground share with Skolars.

It's not that simple. The trick is to schedule to ensure that each week there's a pro fixture in the capital.

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My point was that there are plenty of soccer grounds actually in London. Why aren't the likes of Saracens and Wasps playing at one of those stadiums? Lack of interest from spectators or London soccer club apathy?

All I know is that the London RU clubs are well supported and achieved good support from a very low base in 1996

and that even though they had to move out of London to find soccer clubs who'd allow RU on their grounds (Watford, Reading, Wycombe) they STILL got good support......

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All I know is that the London RU clubs are well supported and achieved good support from a very low base in 1996

and that even though they had to move out of London to find soccer clubs who'd allow RU on their grounds (Watford, Reading, Wycombe) they STILL got good support......

I'm not sure their support was all that fantastic. My impression was that those London clubs who moved out tended to fair worse than than other clubs in terms of attendances.

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I'm not sure their support was all that fantastic. My impression was that those London clubs who moved out tended to fair worse than than other clubs in terms of attendances.

I fear talking RU on an RL website but I believe Sarries, Irish, and Wasps have crowds many RL clubs in the north would covet and some of the London double header RU specials have attracted crowds only the RL challenge cup can match.

We're on a loser arguing RU in London isn't doing very well, as much as I'd like to spin it that way.

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There are two London based RU clubs: Harlequins and Saracens, and even Saracens are only recently back in London proper. Listing those other clubs and calling them London based is the equivalent of calling Warrington and St Helens Liverpool clubs.

 

There are also reports today that the new ownership at Wasps are looking for a site in west London as a new home. 

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I fear talking RU on an RL website but I believe Sarries, Irish, and Wasps have crowds many RL clubs in the north would covet and some of the London double header RU specials have attracted crowds only the RL challenge cup can match.

We're on a loser arguing RU in London isn't doing very well, as much as I'd like to spin it that way.

 You were the one who introduced RU to the discussion Parky. Do these massive double headers make any money?

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There are two London based RU clubs: Harlequins and Saracens, and even Saracens are only recently back in London proper. Listing those other clubs and calling them London based is the equivalent of calling Warrington and St Helens Liverpool clubs.

 

There are also reports today that the new ownership at Wasps are looking for a site in west London as a new home.

Wasps would be a logical fit to share with Brentford if/when Lionel Road happens. Talking of those 'London' RU clubs who don't play in London, a colleague told me London Irish are known as the 'Not Nots'. Because they aren't Irish and they don't play in London

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How about getting things back on topic as I suspect, whichever way we try to twist the facts, taking on London rugby union is an argument we can't win.

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You were the one who introduced RU to the discussion Parky. Do these massive double headers make any money?

And your the one taking it further into a pure Union discussion.

I'll stick with Union will be pleased in Broncos go.

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And your the one taking it further into a pure Union discussion.

I'll stick with Union will be pleased in Broncos go.

Regardless of whether the double headers and Wembley showcases make money, we'd be delighted to get 80,000 to a regular season game - let alone in London.

Regardless on which zone the clubs happen to be based in, rugby union is going great guns at all levels in and around the M25. It would be churlish to suggest otherwise.

We'd be far better thinking about London Broncos and figuring out how they can somehow knit together the patches of positive development in and around the capital.

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If Broncos continue to decline and if Skolars or Hemel or both get to the championship, there coild well,be a debate about which club in London is the most progressive and vasluable to the future of league in London.

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Maybe it;'s time for lthe broncos to be relegated to the championship, with a brand new london club formed. With Skoloars, Hemel and Broncos all feeder clubs for this new club

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What's point? There wouldn't be enough support for a new London SL either and nobody to back it.

 

You might as well just have Broncos continue as a SL club.

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maybe call the new club, London United, London Griffins?

London Griffins? Hmmm.......

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If Broncos continue to decline and if Skolars or Hemel or both get to the championship, there coild well,be a debate about which club in London is the most progressive and vasluable to the future of league in London.

Broncos may decline and no longer be an SL club, at the same time Skolars and Hemel may get to the championship and hold their own, but only if the Championship declines adequately enough to allow this.

And so it will come to pass that NONE of them will be "valuable to the future of League in London" because what you will not accept is that below Superleague, nothing has any value in terms of being able to stimulate the best athletes to play, the paying fans to turn up in numbers and the corporate people to take notice and invest whether through a £20 ticket, or a half a million pounds annual prop up of a club whom a businessman fancies backing.

RL in London without Super league is a minority enthusiasts sport.

But not in your mind.

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I think we are back to "grass roots development is a waste of time, Skolars and Stags should just not bother".

 

Parky says "don't bother lads, you'll never get any better" - this from the self-appointed voice of expansion.

 

And ironically enough, he spent years arguing that Stags won't ever step up to the semi-pro ranks.

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Broncos may decline and no longer be an SL club, at the same time Skolars and Hemel may get to the championship and hold their own, but only if the Championship declines adequately enough to allow this.

And so it will come to pass that NONE of them will be "valuable to the future of League in London" because what you will not accept is that below Superleague, nothing has any value in terms of being able to stimulate the best athletes to play, the paying fans to turn up in numbers and the corporate people to take notice and invest whether through a £20 ticket, or a half a million pounds annual prop up of a club whom a businessman fancies backing.

RL in London without Super league is a minority enthusiasts sport.

But not in your mind.

With all that population to go at both London clubs should be booming , its all down to population you know

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With all that population to go at both London clubs should be booming , its all down to population you know

Indeed, as we all know Lewis / Sky wanted a second SL club therefore it was absolutely definitely going to happen and anyone who said otherwise had their heads in the sand. Or so Parky argued then.

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Broncos may decline and no longer be an SL club, at the same time Skolars and Hemel may get to the championship and hold their own, but only if the Championship declines adequately enough to allow this.

And so it will come to pass that NONE of them will be "valuable to the future of League in London" because what you will not accept is that below Superleague, nothing has any value in terms of being able to stimulate the best athletes to play, the paying fans to turn up in numbers and the corporate people to take notice and invest whether through a £20 ticket, or a half a million pounds annual prop up of a club whom a businessman fancies backing.

RL in London without Super league is a minority enthusiasts sport.

But not in your mind.

It seems you agree with Mr Wood

 

In London with Super League RL is a minority enthusiasts sport , get it right

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Maybe it;'s time for lthe broncos to be relegated to the championship, with a brand new london club formed. With Skoloars, Hemel and Broncos all feeder clubs for this new club

No no no. As separate entities we may see them all in SL eventually which is far more valuable than the much despised (in the UK) feeder concept

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