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Rugby League World Cup coverage

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Last ditch effort i bet they were on their hands and knees lets be frank here the average viewing figures for the NRL matches on Premier a couple of years ago were around 6000,i would doubt if they were more than double that now in my estimation we are looking at a maximum of around 20000 for RLWC matches which just about puts us on par with netball (In fact its half of that:((((

No matter how much spin is put on it this deal is a disaster FULL STOP

CM

Considering one of the main aims for this tournament is to raise awareness of the sport then I'm inclined to agree with you.

 

The one thing that is giving me hope is that the number of exclusive games Premier has is open to change, so I hope the BBC pick up a handful of other games. I could live with secondary rights on a lesser channel if the BBC had 10-15 games live and extensive highlights programmes.

 

At the moment, the BBC hasn't really bought into the World Cup, they've bought into the England RL team.

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My thoughts exactly.. the 'biggest year in RL' apparently..

The BBC aren't prepared to back the tournament as an event, quite simply.

reminds me of 1995 all over again.

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Maybe the England team need to produce some great rugby league performances and fans need to turn out in big numbers and the RLWC2013 team have to create great events out of the games and then the BBC will buy into rugby league.  After all, they aren't morally or legally obliged to buy into our sport.  We need to make it attractive to them and give them something to believe in.  If we can do that then for all we know there could be some renegotiations to the positive following on from the world cup.

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For me, the BBC has to show at least 2 of the quarter finals (England & Australia) and have one of the semi finals and extensive highlights of the other. This deal isn't quite good enough, and dilutes the RLWC's importance.

I don't know the viewing figures on Premier Sports - can anyone post them? If as CM asserts we are looking at 20k viewers then it isn't good at all.

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fantastic deal for me only you tight arsed folk are complaining get your seven pounds spent and enjoy the greatest game.

It's a fantastic deal fore RL supporters, but therein lies the problem.

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question is....how much have they paid?.....and what about overseas rights?

Sky would have offered more money, but would have wanted more say in the KO times etc

 

Very interesting that PS have the coverage too, competition for Sky to consider is only a good thing IMO.

At this stage i wouldn't think that Sky are worried about PS. They will just keep an eye on them though as regards viewing figures for the world cup in percentage terms with PS subscrbers.

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It's a fantastic deal fore RL supporters, but therein lies the problem.

I disagree that it's a problem.  I mean, the outreach to potential new fans is through the BBC.  There just isn't a better channel for reaching the agnostic than the BBC.  If they promote the games enthusiastically and schedule them wisely then even better.  There are plenty of games being shown to have the desired effect, especially when you bear in mind the number of people who have claimed to be converted to RL by just watching one particular game a season: namely, the Challenge Cup.  This deal is six times that number on consecutive weeks to the whole nation.  In this day and age, that's great for us.

 

Meanwhile, anyone already a rugby league stalwart or those who having seen a taster match on the BBC want to watch more, have as much international rugby league as they could possibly want for an extra ten quid a month at most.  Bargain!

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I disagree that it's a problem.  I mean, the outreach to potential new fans is through the BBC.  There just isn't a better channel for reaching the agnostic than the BBC.  If they promote the games enthusiastically and schedule them wisely then even better.  There are plenty of games being shown to have the desired effect, especially when you bear in mind the number of people who have claimed to be converted to RL by just watching one particular game a season: namely, the Challenge Cup.  This deal is six times that number on consecutive weeks to the whole nation.  In this day and age, that's great for us.

 

Meanwhile, anyone already a rugby league stalwart or those who having seen a taster match on the BBC want to watch more, have as much international rugby league as they could possibly want for an extra ten quid a month at most.  Bargain!

It is a problem though. The fact that the BBC have seen fit to only show one game per weekend (at the moment) and only those games that feature England show that they haven't really bought into the tournament.

 

Games like NZ v Samoa or PNG v France would show that there is more to international RL than England v Australia.

 

The BBC showed 4 live international games last Autumn, this is hardly a massive step up considering they had 28 available. I think that's why people are disappointed.

 

Now we may be pleasantly surprised and the BBC may show extensive highlights of the tournament at decent times, nationally, but I won;t hold my breath on this one. They haven't treated this is a major event, and that is a problem.

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Maybe the England team need to produce some great rugby league performances and fans need to turn out in big numbers and the RLWC2013 team have to create great events out of the games and then the BBC will buy into rugby league.  After all, they aren't morally or legally obliged to buy into our sport.  We need to make it attractive to them and give them something to believe in.  If we can do that then for all we know there could be some renegotiations to the positive following on from the world cup.

it is attractive its the best game on the planet why they wouldn't buy into it is a complete mystery, we are probably the second best team in the comp, al we need is one big game against the aussies in the final and they will be falling over each other to sign it up.

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it is attractive its the best game on the planet why they wouldn't buy into it is a complete mystery, we are probably the second best team in the comp, al we need is one big game against the aussies in the final and they will be falling over each other to sign it up.

Exactly.  If England play well - better still, if we beat the Aussies - then chances are that will do the sport a world of good.  The best outcome of course would be for England to win the comp.  (So we'd better get praying for drastic loss of form or ankle sprains to Slater, Cronk et al just in time for the competition!)

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It is a problem though. The fact that the BBC have seen fit to only show one game per weekend (at the moment) and only those games that feature England show that they haven't really bought into the tournament.

I think they have bought into it; just not as much as we would all like.  But as you suggest, we may be pleasantly surprised by the way in which the BBC handles the comp and everything ends up looking rosy.  Let's hope so.  I'm prepared to judge them at the end of it all rather than now.  I'm preferring to be happy that the BBC are showing any games at all.  They certainly aren't obliged to!

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Last ditch effort i bet they were on their hands and knees lets be frank here the average viewing figures for the NRL matches on Premier a couple of years ago were around 6000,i would doubt if they were more than double that now in my estimation we are looking at a maximum of around 20000 for RLWC matches which just about puts us on par with netball (In fact its half of that:((((

No matter how much spin is put on it this deal is a disaster FULL STOP

CM

 

Absolutely agree. There is no doubt that the highest bidder of some low bids were taken.

 

Again, short term gain has been chosen over long term.

 

Think of all the pubs in the country outside the heartlands that may have had the RLWC on had sky been given the rights over PS. I know very little pubs that have PS and I don't imagine they will be flocking to subscribe because of the RLWC.

 

This is an absolute tragedy for the game in the UK and quite simply a stuff up from the authorities who have ignored their own expressions of the importance for this competition to increase the profile of the sport. 

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im trying hard not to be negative about this deal, but to me it just doesn't seem to be anything different from what we already had.. For a tournament like this i would expect BBC news to carry extensive previews of the days games in its morning sports bulletins, across TV and radio, and also results, features and reaction in its evening and nightly sports news broadcasts. I would also expect promo's being aired at least 1 month before the first broadcast, and at regular intervals leading up to the first game, at least two promo's per day, with one being prime time. combine that with a highlights show on the evening of any games that are played ,and a decent live broadcast, that would be buying in to the tournament.. that's what every other major sport in this country would get.. and i don't think the above is really that much to ask for .. unless of course the broadcaster showing the tournament is just happy to do the bare minimum, and not prepared to back the tournament fully.

 

We'll be lucky to get half of that..

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What are the chances that Premier will offer a special RLWC streaming package? I'm on VIrgin too so TV's off the agenda, and I'm not particularly interested in subscribing to their whole streaming system, but I'd probably buy a reasonably priced package for just the World Cup games (like the NHL do on Gamecenter just for the playoffs). 

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Absolutely agree. There is no doubt that the highest bidder of some low bids were taken.

 

Again, short term gain has been chosen over long term.

 

Think of all the pubs in the country outside the heartlands that may have had the RLWC on had sky been given the rights over PS. I know very little pubs that have PS and I don't imagine they will be flocking to subscribe because of the RLWC.

 

This is an absolute tragedy for the game in the UK and quite simply a stuff up from the authorities who have ignored their own expressions of the importance for this competition to increase the profile of the sport. 

 

Thing is, how many pubs would have actually shown the RL outside of the heartlands? Especially if there was, say, some soccer on. I don't come from very far from the heartlands, but I know of very few pubs around there that would show the RL if I didn't ask. So what is worse - RLWC on PS, or RLWC on SS4, with all the pubs actively choosing to not show it?

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I think the RFL need to link up with a chain pub or two, I'm not entirely sure which one, but I'm sure a lot of pubs now have a company who watch over them.

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Thing is, how many pubs would have actually shown the RL outside of the heartlands? Especially if there was, say, some soccer on. I don't come from very far from the heartlands, but I know of very few pubs around there that would show the RL if I didn't ask. So what is worse - RLWC on PS, or RLWC on SS4, with all the pubs actively choosing to not show it?

 

It is possible that when there are non football conflicting fixtures or those scheduled to start immediately after football, it is likely that the pubs may just leave the telly on. Less chance when they don't have PS or have to change the channel.

 

I think the RFL need to link up with a chain pub or two, I'm not entirely sure which one, but I'm sure a lot of pubs now have a company who watch over them.

 

This is a very good idea. I am not sure of any deal that exists like this with other sports.

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I think the RFL need to link up with a chain pub or two, I'm not entirely sure which one, but I'm sure a lot of pubs now have a company who watch over them.

Or a brewery. The freebies for the last Rugby Union World Cup and posters etc in pubs were all branded with a beer (Guinness I think)

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During the last union world cup i was on holiday in the South of France, every bar that served Heineken, which was pretty much most, had some form of promotional branding, whether it was posters advertising games, beer mats etc.. not sure if the RLWC have linked up with an alcohol partner yet, But someone like Tetleys would be the obvious choice. Heineken are a long term partner of the union mob though..

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Don't think there is a brewery link up yet.

 

At the very least, the RLWC should be on in the bars of the Marriot hotels!

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fosters would be as good as any. Sold the length and breadth of the country unlike tetleys, but yes that is a great shout. I was thinking about the earlier comment as well and how pubs receive free flags to put up in their pubs, promotional hats, balls etc. While there may not be budget for that, certainly beer mats and posters would be a start.

 

Be interesting to know how experienced advertisers would think about promoting the world cup coverage

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Don't think there is a brewery link up yet.

 

At the very least, the RLWC should be on in the bars of the Marriot hotels!

Have Premier Sports over-ride the rudey-dudey films in rooms...

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Out of curiousity, does anyone know how many subscribers Premier Sports has currently? Ie. How small of a potential market are we talking about?

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Thing is, how many pubs would have actually shown the RL outside of the heartlands? Especially if there was, say, some soccer on. I don't come from very far from the heartlands, but I know of very few pubs around there that would show the RL if I didn't ask. So what is worse - RLWC on PS, or RLWC on SS4, with all the pubs actively choosing to not show it?

As statties already covered, the benefit is from those pubs who just leave Sky Sports on, which many of them do as standard.

 

I often go into pubs in Edinburgh and the RL will just be on in the background.

 

There is also the fact that we will miss out on Sky Sports News, which loads of pubs leave on.

 

As for your last question, which is worse - definitely RLWC on PS. The reason being that all pubs will have SS4 so even the heartland pubs may struggle to show RLWC on PS.

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As statties already covered, the benefit is from those pubs who just leave Sky Sports on, which many of them do as standard.

 

I often go into pubs in Edinburgh and the RL will just be on in the background.

 

There is also the fact that we will miss out on Sky Sports News, which loads of pubs leave on.

 

As for your last question, which is worse - definitely RLWC on PS. The reason being that all pubs will have SS4 so even the heartland pubs may struggle to show RLWC on PS.

 

You reckon Sky Sports News will acknowledge the existence of the World Cup?

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