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Minimum Standards

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Nobody met mimimum standards and failed to get a license get real, P & R with min standards gives clubs TWO hurdles to jump to get promoted and as far as 3. is concerned a club could be all geared up to do OK in SL as Widnes were and be denied a place because someone like Sheffield may have snatched the grand final away.

I'm astounded that people want P & R then proceed to put barriers in the way of clubs getting Peed and barriers in the way of them getting arred.

It's a pigs ear it will be as silly as it was when we had the system. Short memories......

 

But if you tick all boxes, i.e. win the league AND meet minimum standards you will be promoted. Under licencing you may well meet minimum standards but the SL Gods decide that the bottom SL club has a better application for a licence, then that club will get the licence, not the club who qualified for it from the championships.

 

It is indeed a more difficult hoop to jump through than the unqualified guaranteed promotion of yesteryear but is it guaranteed. Licencing a still a ###### shoot.

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Is ther a sport in the country, be it franchised,licensed or with P&R that doesn't have some form of minimum standards?

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But if you tick all boxes, i.e. win the league AND meet minimum standards you will be promoted. Under licencing you may well meet minimum standards but the SL Gods decide that the bottom SL club has a better application for a licence, then that club will get the licence, not the club who qualified for it from the championships.

Nobody ticks the boxes.

Sheffield don't on 1,000 crowds, Leigh don't because they are skint, Halifax definately did not tick the boxes last time as the licensing committee said, Batley and Dewsbury don't want superleague and below that you have the DR clubs fighting to survive on crowds in the hundreds.

Featherstone may tick the boxes dependent on a rich man guaranteeing cap spend.

Go back to 2010 and Featherstone had won the division by six points clear. They deserved to go up but they had the grand final to come. They lost it by a point.

Had we had your suggested system then Halifax would have got the promotion but had it denied as they were skint, and in addition to that Les Catalans who came bottom would have been "protected" anyway.

The fans would have been going mad because...

1. Featherstone won the league and did not get promoted

2. Halifax won the grand final and did not get promoted

3. Les Catalans deserved to go down but were protected

What if Batley had a great season but refused to go up, and Cas had as awful a season as Halifax had 2003 when they had no money? Do we condemn Cas to be slaughtered for another season in SL. What does the sporting world make of the club who refused promotion?

There's no sense at all to P & R with minimum standards.

In the first 10 years Workington, Oldham, Halifax and leigh collapsed financially out of SL, Huddersfield came bottom four times but stayed up three, London would not have been allowed to go down as weren't catalans, and Hunslet and dewsbury were refused promotion - an absolute pigs ear it was.

I'm not against P & R but either do it or don't do it because the evidence is all there to show it was a mess 1996-2006 when standards were applied to it, and would have been an equal mess in recent years under "standards".

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Quite. Do it right. get the rules sorted and do it. If those teams you mentioned didn't meet the standards then so be it.

There is precedent for teams to request re assigment to another division. Gateshead did just that. They requested demotion. The same think would happen if a team refused promotion. There would be a reprieve for a team set to be relegated.

The point is that, more difficult with standards than heretofore or not, if all the boxes are ticked then, under p and r, promotion would be guaranteed.

That's all I want. No random elevation depending on licencinf committees whereby even if a team meets the necessary criteria for promotion they can be passwed over by some commitee in favour of a losing bottom placed team from SL.

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Nobody ticks the boxes.

Sheffield don't on 1,000 crowds, Leigh don't because they are skint, Halifax definately did not tick the boxes last time as the licensing committee said, Batley and Dewsbury don't want superleague and below that you have the DR clubs fighting to survive on crowds in the hundreds.

Featherstone may tick the boxes dependent on a rich man guaranteeing cap spend.

Go back to 2010 and Featherstone had won the division by six points clear. They deserved to go up but they had the grand final to come. They lost it by a point.

Had we had your suggested system then Halifax would have got the promotion but had it denied as they were skint, and in addition to that Les Catalans who came bottom would have been "protected" anyway.

The fans would have been going mad because...

1. Featherstone won the league and did not get promoted

2. Halifax won the grand final and did not get promoted

3. Les Catalans deserved to go down but were protected

What if Batley had a great season but refused to go up, and Cas had as awful a season as Halifax had 2003 when they had no money? Do we condemn Cas to be slaughtered for another season in SL. What does the sporting world make of the club who refused promotion?

There's no sense at all to P & R with minimum standards.

In the first 10 years Workington, Oldham, Halifax and leigh collapsed financially out of SL, Huddersfield came bottom four times but stayed up three, London would not have been allowed to go down as weren't catalans, and Hunslet and dewsbury were refused promotion - an absolute pigs ear it was.

I'm not against P & R but either do it or don't do it because the evidence is all there to show it was a mess 1996-2006 when standards were applied to it, and would have been an equal mess in recent years under "standards".

Im not sure leigh did collapse financially out of sl

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Im not sure leigh did collapse financially out of sl

crowds were poor right from the start, affecting the budget badly, they lost £30,000 on an imported player who had a hernia, two directors resigned mid season, and another director had to deny rumours liquidation would follow relegation.......

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crowds were poor right from the start, affecting the budget badly, they lost £30,000 on an imported player who had a hernia, two directors resigned mid season, and another director had to deny rumours liquidation would follow relegation.......

I'm told they made a profit.

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I'm told they made a profit.

So given they could not hack SL, were short of money to make it in SL and are skint today what do you want me to say to that??

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The point is that, if all the boxes are ticked then, under p and r, promotion would be guaranteed.

That's all I want. No random elevation depending on licencing committees whereby even if a team meets the necessary criteria for promotion they can be passwed over by some commitee in favour of a losing bottom placed team from SL.

The licensing committee judges on the standards now.

"All you want" is the club who qualifies for promotion being judged on standards.

Rather than on the field of play.

Lock the thread, Leigh were a profitable SL club and promotion should not be decided on standards, but on erm standards.

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The licensing committee judges on the standards now.

"All you want" is the club who qualifies for promotion being judged on standards.

Rather than on the field of play.

Lock the thread, Leigh were a profitable SL club and promotion should not be decided on standards, but on erm standards.

 

What the heck are you talking about ? Winning the league, i.e. winning on the field and job one and then meeting the stadards is job two. Job two does not even cause a blip on the radar until job is achieved on the field.

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