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Hock and Mossop to the Eels

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I would prefer to have nothing to do with Hock, I don't like his style or his past and do not really rate what he delivers in any consistent way, hot and cold and pretty stupid too often, no place for a player than can not control himself for me.

Parramatta have been run so badly for so long it does my head in, although they have been in Grand Finals, they seem to self destruct when they are doing ok.

If Parra could consistently get up there the whole NRL will get a boost, I fear they have let so many supporters down for so long that the damage may not be easy to fix.

Hock has real issues in that he struggles with his rage even when he has the ball.

 

There have been a number of occasions where he has been penalised instead of just getting up and playing the ball.

 

I can live with somebody pushing the limits with aggression and tackles and sometimes going ott, but some of the penalties and negatives he bring to a team can really hurt them.

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If we beat the Aussies in a series or win the World Cup it is pretty much guaranteed that we would get increased media coverage, viewing figures and crowd figures. I would argue that point 100% with anybody.

Yes - the money point about Union is right, but if there is money on offer from the NRL then they have a different option to make decent money.

How can something be 'killing' youth development in the space of 3-4 months? I suspect there will be changes over the coming months and years until it is right. Your club voted for DR and the scrapping of the old system, they seem to have very good youth records, so maybe they have a strong idea of what is right to do?

You've missed the bit where I said on the HKR - Wigan thread that I was appalled that wigan voted for it. I'm a wigan supporter, but don't always agree with everything they do, so I don't think you can throw that strawman at me. I hope you're right though and it gets changed.

The union/ NRL agruement is a bit different. I think the players will be worth about the same in the NRL and Union. However, you can either stay in the same country, keep all your friends, or completely start again in another country (with better weather). That's not necessarily an easy choice.

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You've missed the bit where I said on the HKR - Wigan thread that I was appalled that wigan voted for it. I'm a wigan supporter, but don't always agree with everything they do, so I don't think you can throw that strawman at me. I hope you're right though and it gets changed.

The union/ NRL agruement is a bit different. I think the players will be worth about the same in the NRL and Union. However, you can either stay in the same country, keep all your friends, or completely start again in another country (with better weather). That's not necessarily an easy choice.

Apologies if it came across like that, I was simply pointing out that Wigan are probably the best at youth development in the game here, yet they saw fit to scrap the previous system. I'm absolutely convinced they didn't do this simply to save 100k.

 

I'd like to hear what the likes of Wigan and Leeds have to say on this, as for all we know the previous system may have been pants.

 

I agree the NRL v Union thing is not an easy choice - but at least it is a choice. At least some players who get attractive offers are not having to leave the game.

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Hock has real issues in that he struggles with his rage even when he has the ball.

 

There have been a number of occasions where he has been penalised instead of just getting up and playing the ball.

 

I can live with somebody pushing the limits with aggression and tackles and sometimes going ott, but some of the penalties and negatives he bring to a team can really hurt them.

Totally agree Dave.

There are certain traits in players that you do not want, if they can not adjust those issues they have no place in the Team.

I have seen plenty of overly aggressive players but without control they are a liability.

I always liked something that the late Jack Gibson did, he would not accept overtly foul or dirty play, he hooked players from the field and gave them time in the reserves if need be to consider how they played the game, it may have been detrimental to his team but he did what he thought was right regarding foul play.

I like that.

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Btw, you haven't got a spare underrated young hooker/DH lying around somewhere waiting for a crack at the big time?

 

(the one we got is pants)

Daryl Clark at Castleford, just 20 yo but one of the best young hookers i have seen. I agree, Keating is ######.

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Hock in the NRL would be pure entertainment.. the good side, his obvious skills, and the bad side, his tendency to start rucks and give away stupid penalties, he'd certainly be great copy for the Aussie journo's..

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When Adrian Morley went down under, the Aussie press had a field day with his wayward discipline and general hotheadedness. I doubt Hock has the Moz's potential to learn self-control.

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When Adrian Morley went down under, the Aussie press had a field day with his wayward discipline and general hotheadedness. I doubt Hock has the Moz's potential to learn self-control.

But for all his talent Morley was effectively rubbed out of the NRL.

He was released by the Roosters mid season after attempting to knee a player in the face at the play the ball

Its a business at the end of the day and staff that can not get with the rules are cut loose.

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But for all his talent Morley was effectively rubbed out of the NRL.

He was released by the Roosters mid season after attempting to knee a player in the face at the play the ball

Its a business at the end of the day and staff that can not get with the rules are cut loose.

Not strictly true - Morley had already signed for Wire and then got banned for 7 games with 6 to go in the NRL.

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I would prefer to have nothing to do with Hock, I don't like his style or his past and do not really rate what he delivers in any consistent way, hot and cold and pretty stupid too often, no place for a player than can not control himself for me.

Parramatta have been run so badly for so long it does my head in, although they have been in Grand Finals, they seem to self destruct when they are doing ok.

If Parra could consistently get up there the whole NRL will get a boost, I fear they have let so many supporters down for so long that the damage may not be easy to fix.

 

Parra need to get some mongrel, I reckon we should take the chance and Hock should too, he could change a lot of opinions about himself by performing, and everyone who watches the sport wants all the players in all the teams to perform at their top level and show us some great Rugby League.

 

Everything you said about Parramatta is true unfortunately, as we seen in 2009, 75,000 will turn up to see two top Sydney clubs battle it out, a crowd that even the mighty South Sydney could not beat against the same opposition in the same game, yet here they are a few seasons later with arguably the second biggest junior nursery in world Rugby League struggling to keep local juniors.

 

It defies belief that it has been allowed to happen for so long, Parramatta are a powerhouse club in the NRL, they should not be struggling. 

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Not strictly true - Morley had already signed for Wire and then got banned for 7 games with 6 to go in the NRL.

That may well be right Dave but his card was already marked at Easts, he was not offered a long term contract due to his inability to stay on the field.

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Daryl Clark at Castleford, just 20 yo but one of the best young hookers i have seen. I agree, Keating is ######.

 

 

I hope the fella from Parra having a look at the two current guys has a read of the forum and takes a peak, we need someone, something and anything because, as you said, Keating really is ######   :lol:

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Parra need to get some mongrel, I reckon we should take the chance and Hock should too, he could change a lot of opinions about himself by performing, and everyone who watches the sport wants all the players in all the teams to perform at their top level and show us some great Rugby League.

 

Everything you said about Parramatta is true unfortunately, as we seen in 2009, 75,000 will turn up to see two top Sydney clubs battle it out, a crowd that even the mighty South Sydney could not beat against the same opposition in the same game, yet here they are a few seasons later with arguably the second biggest junior nursery in world Rugby League struggling to keep local juniors.

 

It defies belief that it has been allowed to happen for so long, Parramatta are a powerhouse club in the NRL, they should not be struggling.

Have you ever noticed how many players leave Parra as duds to go on and be Stars with The Dogs or Manly etc?

How many players do Parra pay top dollar for that turn to ###### at Parra?

Its almost like the Club is a Jinx since the mid 80's

The best player they have had since their Golden Days Jamie Lyon they manage to up.

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Have you ever noticed how many players leave Parra as duds to go on and be Stars with The Dogs or Manly etc?

How many players do Parra pay top dollar for that turn to ###### at Parra?

Its almost like the Club is a Jinx since the mid 80's

The best player they have had since their Golden Days Jamie Lyon they manage to ###### up.

 

 

It brings a tear to the eye knowing that every year, no matter what teams are playing in the GF, one or both teams will have a Parra junior playing that was deemed not good enough for the eels first grade squad!

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It brings a tear to the eye knowing that every year, no matter what teams are playing in the GF, one or both teams will have a Parra junior playing that was deemed not good enough for the eels first grade squad!

 

 

Oops forgot to add, in Manly's case, they've won GF's with half a team full of Parra discards/rejects in the last few years  :blink:

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That may well be right Dave but his card was already marked at Easts, he was not offered a long term contract due to his inability to stay on the field.

dunno about that, sure it was a factor as he served a fair few bans over there

 

funnily enough not sure he has been banned since he returned here - he certainly hasn't seen red.

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dunno about that, sure it was a factor as he served a fair few bans over there

 

funnily enough not sure he has been banned since he returned here - he certainly hasn't seen red.

Plus weren't they sniffing around about two years ago with an offer for him to return there?

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Would have been a lot more bothered about Mossop six weeks ago. However given that the likes of Crosby, Flower, Dudson and Burke have stepped up in his absence, I'm content that we'd cope. Good luck to Lee - I hope he's a success and that the recurring problems with his shoulders are not a chronic weakness.

Less said about Hock the better. Although a talent, I'm glad to get rid of his inconsistency and we're better off with Farrell in any case.

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Honestly, I don't get it.

 

Australians are always banging on about how good they are, and how many great players they bring through, yet the raids on English players are increasing.

Cause they can Franksy, plenty of good cheap deals to be had at bargain bin prices.

Half of them will do really well the other half will play for a feeder Club then go home.

Tomkins will be next unless he goes to Union.

The positive side is there are only the same amount of English players in first grade NRL as most Super League teams had

Aussies and Kiwis in each Club team for most of the last decade.

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Oh, how the worm has turned.

 

A couple of years of economic upside, and now the Aussies are willing to chuck their RL principles down the nearest dunny.

 

Australians have been slagging off British RL for decades for attempting to poach their best players, and now the exchange rate has finally gone in your favour, you do exactly the same.

 

Not like the Aussies to be contrary, is it?

 

What's the betting that the next time Australia lose a test match, the over abundance of British players in the NRL gets the blame?

Don't worry Hannibal, Wigan have a production line of Juniors, they will just turn out more that are even better than the ones leaving.

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I'm not worried. I'm also not Hannibal, whoever he is.

I just wonder why, with the supposed numbers of fantastic players coming through the ranks in Australia, the clubs are going for record numbers of English players.

Record number in what context?

There were far more English players in the ARL for short seasons when the Leagues were played at opposite seasons.

How many current players have been signed from England that are guaranteed a starting team spot in the NRL at this stage?

I will start it off.

1)Sam Burgess

2)James Graham

3)George Burgess (only a handful of games under his belt at this stage, he was hardly a star import)

4)

5)

You can fill in the other 2 dozen or so that you have in mind.

I am sorry you are not the well known identity known as Hannibal or Wigan Warrior, you seemed very familiar Franksy, my mistake.

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If the clubs don't want them for starting spots, then why do they want them at all? Just because they can?

Well who are you talking about?

Maybe they are priced right and are a back up option? or potential future players, look at the Burgess boys, Sam had the name the others were fringe players that would not be on top dollar, they have probably done better in Oz than they may have in England.

Why was Worrincy signed? dunno, he was not expensive I guess, he may have been a similar wage as some Windsor Wolves players, Jordan Tansey? Richard Mathers?

If a player backs himself and has potential and is cheap what is the risk?

Worst thing can happen he does not make it and goes home.

So Franksy..

1)Sam Burgess

2)James Graham

3)George Burgess (only a handful of games under his belt at this stage, he was hardly a star import)

4)

5)

You can fill in the other 2 dozen or so that you have in mind.

Who are the others on this exodus?

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