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Dropping into the league of death would be disasterous for the club.

I have been following them for 34 years but I would not go and watch games against the likes of Gloucester Gerbils and Hemel Hamsters !!!!!

Why not?

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We can blame the officials or look for other excuses as much as we want but the reality is that we are just not consistanly good enough on the pitch for this league. Everyone knows the pressure was on last year to get out of what was called the league of death and Darren and Phill came up with the goods by putting a competative team together.

Reality is if we manage to keep above relegation then there remains the floodlight money to be found to stay in Chapionship and even more fundraising to put a competative team on the pitch for 2014. Work has started on fundraising but im inclined to think that will be needed to finish this season off.

Dropping back to Championship 1 and retaining the local side whilst working on clearing financial positions and funding for the future may be the only way that Barrow Raiders ever get back to being competative with all teams in Championship.

This season isn't over. There are 9 teams who could easily go down. We got beat by the best team in the league on their own patch, not the end of the world. If we are within 3 points of staying up with 3 games to go I'm more than confident we'll survive.

We arnt doomed by any means yet.

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Maybe you are not the supporter that you thought you were then?

 right or wrong Baaarow has a valid point and im sure there are many others with that same viewpoint mate. Times is tough

 

IF we get relegated I hope the BOD have put in a business plan which takes into account average home crowds of around 500 because thats all that will pay to watch the likes of Hemel or Oxford. Dont expect the paying public to turn out for what is a poor league. Look at this years gates so far.....way down on what I expected and no doubt the BOD as well !!!!

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Why not?

Because I'd be paying £15 to watch what would be amateur standard rugby.

However, as stated later on on this thread, we are not doomed yet. There is a long long way to go....15 game to be exact, starting with Warrington reserves (aka Swinton) at home in two weeks time !!!!!!

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Expansion???? The gate was 105 at Gloucestershire All Golds. What was the gate at the last Dalton or BI match for instance.

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Expansion???? The gate was 105 at Gloucestershire All Golds. What was the gate at the last Dalton or BI match for instance.

I really cannot see the league continuing for long in this format i.e. two comps below super league, when there are clubs playing infront of 100 fans. I think that within 5 years there will just be one Championship competition.

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You probably get more than 105 at mini rugby on a sunday morning...

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This season isn't over. There are 9 teams who could easily go down. We got beat by the best team in the league on their own patch, not the end of the world. If we are within 3 points of staying up with 3 games to go I'm more than confident we'll survive.

We arnt doomed by any means yet.

 

Maybe your missing my point, lets say we are lucky and stay up, whats the plan for next year ? another fight to stay out of relegation. Barrow needs to ship players in to compete at top level in Championship and that meens additional costs for traveling and players that cannot be afforded by the club as yet.  The plan in 2011 was to get barrow back on a stable financial footing and that was a 3 year plan. Only the faithfull will pay £15 week after week to watch a team struggling for survival.

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Valid point Neil but seeing the gates in the 'expansion' clubs so far this season do you think they will still be around in 2014.

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Not many teams will be going to any of the top 5 and avoid a thumping.

Our business is in that mini league of 6-7 teams trying to avoid finishing in the bottom two.

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Valid point Neil but seeing the gates in the 'expansion' clubs so far this season do you think they will still be around in 2014.

No!!

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Maybe your missing my point, lets say we are lucky and stay up, whats the plan for next year ? another fight to stay out of relegation. Barrow needs to ship players in to compete at top level in Championship and that meens additional costs for traveling and players that cannot be afforded by the club as yet. The plan in 2011 was to get barrow back on a stable financial footing and that was a 3 year plan. Only the faithfull will pay £15 week after week to watch a team struggling for survival.

We need to build on our squad year on year like Featherstone did. We have a young team with alot of potential, let's build on it.

Fair enough spending lots of money on a first team to get the fans in. Maybe we should spend a fortune, get 3k against fax on a Thursday, put 70 past Leigh and win the league? Then what happened.

We just need to graft things out at the bottom and build a team. There is 9 sides who can go down and it could be easily any of them and we just need to make sure it ain't us, I believe the squad is good enough to do so.

Featherstone are the role model for our club. It may take three seasons to build up a good team sustainably but so be it, there isn't any other way. Building up a quality squad which we can afford is the way forward to being sustainable, fair enough the part time fans won't like it but that's how it's gonna be.

If we keep the same core of players that will be a big advantage against the A team's as they will constantly be swapping and changing players and not build any chemistry. Mass changes arnt going to be needed to survive in this league in the seasons ahead, it's just this season which is critical but was always going to be toughest.

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We need to build on our squad year on year like Featherstone did.agreed We have a young team with alot of potential, let's build on it. partly agreed + we need to hold onto  the likes of Kurt Haggerty and hope Bull wants to carry on next year ???

Fair enough spending lots of money on a first team to get the fans in. Maybe we should spend a fortune, get 3k against fax on a Thursday, put 70 past Leigh and win the league? Then what happened. we don't want that to happen again

We just need to graft things out at the bottom and build a team. There is 9 sides who can go down and it could be easily any of them and we just need to make sure it ain't us, I believe the squad is good enough to do so. I disagree with this we are 3 or 4 players short in key positions

Featherstone are the role model for our club. It may take three seasons to build up a good team sustainably but so be it, there isn't any other way. Building up a quality squad which we can afford is the way forward to being sustainable, fair enough the part time fans won't like it but that's how it's gonna be. agreed

If we keep the same core of players that will be a big advantage against the A team's as they will constantly be swapping and changing players and not build any chemistry. Mass changes arnt going to be needed to survive in this league in the seasons ahead, it's just this season which is critical but was always going to be toughest. agreed...... with the key additions sooner rather than later even if we have to fund it out of a supporters sponsorship of a player style of setup maybe ?

 

 

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I agree with what you are saying, the tortoise wins the race as they say.

Whats annoying me and many others I suppose, is whats happening at half time. Nearly every game this season we play different in the second half. Theres no consistency. Its needs sorting or we will be playing CC1 next year.

We need to build on our squad year on year like Featherstone did. We have a young team with alot of potential, let's build on it.

Fair enough spending lots of money on a first team to get the fans in. Maybe we should spend a fortune, get 3k against fax on a Thursday, put 70 past Leigh and win the league? Then what happened.

We just need to graft things out at the bottom and build a team. There is 9 sides who can go down and it could be easily any of them and we just need to make sure it ain't us, I believe the squad is good enough to do so.

Featherstone are the role model for our club. It may take three seasons to build up a good team sustainably but so be it, there isn't any other way. Building up a quality squad which we can afford is the way forward to being sustainable, fair enough the part time fans won't like it but that's how it's gonna be.

If we keep the same core of players that will be a big advantage against the A team's as they will constantly be swapping and changing players and not build any chemistry. Mass changes arnt going to be needed to survive in this league in the seasons ahead, it's just this season which is critical but was always going to be toughest.

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I'll try answer the above posts in one but I agree morty Haggerty and Bull are crucial, they are our best two players. Haggerty idk what his intentions are but I'd imagine SL will be his aim. Bull won't move to another club I wouldn't imagine but it's the same thing every year he makes his mind up very late. But they are who we should be building our pack around.

Second point obviously no one does. Third point we agree on.

To survive I just think we need a tad for experience and then a half back who can build pressure and tire teams out. Jamie Rooney did it against us to perfection, the four sets we defended on our line consecutively cost us the game. All down to completing sets and getting a goal line drop out at the end of it, it wins you games and I don't think we have someone capable doing it at Championship level. Fev have Finn, Batley had Handforth who I think is at Fax now all the best sides have them and we need one. Although they are hard to find. Also a impact prop would be good. The sponsorship thing may be a great idea, didn't Doncaster do the same thing for Paul Cooke? It could be the difference between staying up and going down.

Livo I think this is due experience and lack of guidance. We have dominated teams for a 20 - 30 minute spell against every side I've watched this season (didn't go to Fev and Sheff due to money) but the point still stands I guess. We just need to capitalize on the spell which we dominate which will stop us running out of steam. Darren in his prime is the player we need at the minute and Chris Young, two of those type signings would see survive IMO.

But I don't think we are miles away from having a squad good enough to stay up, just abit of experience is needed.

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Last year was a total local side as was needed and which we could only afford. The financial aspect of last years buisness plan fell short by over £100k. This year that £100k is still required plus £100k for floodlights. I dont believe the club is going backwards but i do believe that the club will be stagnated with debt year in year out until the arears are cleared. Putting a team on the pitch to atract crowds is esential but the balance wont come from overspending on travelling players.

During a meeting with the RFL last year I produced a 3 year buisness plan along with the current debts of the club. It was clear from the RFL that Barrow is one of the best sustainable clubs in the Leauge but the arears will cripple it if they are not cleared. The flood lights could be paid ( or part paid ) from the Sport England inspired facilities grant. All we have to do is apply for it and with a bit of luck we will gain a boost in the coffers that we need. I have already stated too many times that we missed the boat last year by not applying. The next round HAS TO BE SUBMITED by 4pm on the 25th of this month. We cannot afford to again miss chances for hand outs.

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Like Martin Luther King I had a dream. I dreamt of starting a rugby league club in Coventry that one day would play the best clubs in the country Wigan, St Helen's,Leeds and of course the best of them all Barrow.

Now I am within touching distance of achieving that as Coventry work towards acceptance into Championship 1 in 2014.

There is an old saying " be careful of what you wish for" my dream meant playing my boyhood heros in the top professional division not in the bottom.

So there is a danger that my dream could change into a nightmare.

I still think its unlikely that we will go down. Most of the games we have played have given me confidence that the squad is good enough to consolidate and cement a place in the Championsip.

IF we were to be relegated would it really be as bleak as people are painting on here?

Last year playing in C1 we had a winning team and our supporters turned out in good numbers amongst the teams we played were London Skolars, Gateshead, South Wales. They will likely be there again next year along with one or two of the big clubs Oldham and Rochdale. So why should next year be any different to last year?

I went to most of the away games last year ( Whitehaven being the only one I missed) we took at least 40 or 50 people to even the most distant of those clubs. Yes, it's true that they didn't bring anywhere as near as many to CP but our gates were still pretty healthy.

We bemoan the fickle fans that don't support a losing team but both ourselves and the soccer know that the fans will turn out to see a winning team.

Will the other teams still be around? Part of the process of gaining admission to C1 is to present a business plan that shows how continuation will be achieved to sustain a professional club. There is of course some speculation on the forecasted attendances likely to be achieved. The RFL know that all clubs go through this process and look closely and demand some realism be applied. The Coventry business plan does not rely on inflated projections but on realistic achievable numbers and I suspect that the All Golds, Hemel and Oxford have also submitted similar forecasts.

There are other reasons to think that in the long run ( and remember we MUST take the long term view, we have tried quick fixes and surely we have learnt that they don't work) relegation would give us time for our young team to gel and gain experience and we would have longer to raise the 100k towards the floodlights.

But to finish on a positive note I think that we will stay up and I will have to wait for Coventry to get promoted before that dream comes true!!!

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i admire your optimism Ron and good luck with the Bears gaining admission to C1 in 2014

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Good post Ron and nothing I would like to see is RL being our national sport but do you really think there is any real appetite for the best game in the world outside the heartlands. Even the BBC are only showing 1 game from CC rounds 4 & 5.

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Good post Ron and nothing I would like to see is RL being our national sport but do you really think there is any real appetite for the best game in the world outside the heartlands. Even the BBC are only showing 1 game from CC rounds 4 & 5.

Yes, I do think that there is a growing appetite for the game outside of the traditional heartlands DESPITE the BBC only showing one game.

There are now 4 stand alone amateur sides in Coventry.

As I go around I still hear " oh rugby league, what's the difference to rugby union" but increasingly sports fans are saying "I'd rather watch rugby league it's more exciting than union"

The new clubs will grow. Take Hemel as an example, there are over 1.2 million people living in the county with only Watford soccer being the only significant professional sports team. To the people of Hemel a game against Oxford or Gloucester in a national league would mean a lot more than a game against Hunslet ("where's that? Oh it's a suburb of Leeds") Hemel have built from the bottom up and RL is seen as the major sport in the town.

It's not going to be easy, there are too many distractions competing with all sports these days. But, the only way to grow the sport is to find a new audience.

One of the concerns must be the age of the current batch of supporters, I wonder how many Barrow fans are over 60?

One only has to look at the state of our working men's clubs to see that what our parents thought of as a good night won't do for our kids.

Standing still isn't an option. Some of the big names below Superleague are getting by on crowds in the low hundreds and a lot of their punters are getting on in age. That isn't sustainable.

I read over and over again that the RFL shouldn't waste money on expansion as its never worked ( London, Paris, Kent, and nearer to the M62 Liverpool, Chorley, Blackpool)

So what should the RFL do? They could give a handout to the more traditional clubs of course, but what are those clubs doing to help themselves?

Where is the innovation? Oldham for example, they have gone from Superleague to Whitebank. They are getting poor crowds but what are they doing to try and change things? I might be being unfair to them but I certainly havent noticed them thinking outside of the box.

Clever marketing works (true it can alienate the existing customer) but as it stands there are not enough existing customers. Bradford and Keighley both increased their crowds with a bit of razzmatazz but then they both ran out of steam and the crowds disappeared.

What's that saying about its lunacy to continue doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

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The posting appear to have gone of track of the title, but still v ery valid, but about the game................

My brief thoughts/report and stats.................. and nothing which Raiders should be ashamed of in their performance against a good Championship team.

 

 

 

Eagles: Laulu-Togagae; Finigan, Yere, Armstrong, Taulapapa; Walker, Brambani; Roche, Henderson, Stringer, Knowles, Staugheir, Hirst. Subs: Davey, Esposito, Garside, Green.

Tries: Yere, 20, 42, Hirst 25, Walker,55, Stringer 53, 62, Brambani 73, Laulu-Togagae 78. Goals: Brambani 6/8.

 

Raiders: Backhouse; McGilvray, Low, Wiper, Clay; Finch, Casey; Butler, Mossop, Dawson, Harrison, Kurt Haggerty, Toal. Subs: Nicholson, Whitehead, Brennan, Mattew Haggarty.

Tries: Harrison 31, Haggerty 40, Wiper 58. Goals: Haggerty 3/3.

Referee: Jamie Leahy. Attendance: 1,177.

 

MATCH STATS

 

Penalties:Awarded to Sheffield:

14 min: Holding down; 23 min: shoulder charge; 37 min: off side; 38 min: ripping; 47 min: high late tackle; 53 min: kicked out on the full; 55 min: ripping; 61 min : use of elbow and ripping; 70 min holding down.

 

Penalties awarded to Barrow:

8 min: not square; 35 min:off-side; 50 min: high tackle; 57 mmin: ripping; 65 min: tipping player

 

Scoring sequence: 6-0; 12-0; 12-6; 12-12..HT: 16-12; 20-12; 26-12; 26-18; 32-18; 38-18; 44-18.

 

View from the Stand[NRB2013]

5 min Misi Taulapapa forced into touch inches from the try line. With two penalties and a substitution before the first try scored by Menzie Yere under the posts and Dominic Brambani converts easily. 26 mins Joe Hirst gets over the line and Dominic Brambani converts again. This passage of play was after a very pedestrian 20 odd mins where both sides made many silly/careless mistakes with Eagles being the ones throwing the advantage away on far too many occasions, b y dropping passes, poor decision making and general “schoolboy” errors. Sheffield could have scored at least 5 times before Menzie made the breakthrough. Raiders kept plugging away until the 31st minute when Liam Harrison broke the line for a well taken try. Kurt Hagggarty made a successful conversion. The following 9 minutes were similar to the first 20, and not particularly entertaining. Raiders were tackling well and their defence remained solid, and they made several forays towards the Eagles line. With 20 seconds left on the clock Eagles won the scrum and only had to use their 6 tackles or more simply, keep hold of the ball, yards from their try line, but Patch Walker tried a clearing kick on the second tackle, which was expertly charged down, and picked up by Kurt Haggarty with 5 seconds left and he fell over the try line to score a deserved try for the Raiders. He successfully converted his own try to bring the half time to a close at 12 points all. The second half started at a much better pace with the Eagles playing into the wind. Menzie took on the Raiders defence and powered through to score his 2nd try of the afternoon, 14th of the season, which was unusually missed by Dominic Brambani from close to the posts. Personally I believe a miscalculation of the strength of the wind was the reason as the ball failed to even reach the posts. 10 mins later, after some deft handling, Patch Walker broke through a scored Eagles 4th try on 51 mins. I mistakenly said “I can't see Dom missing this!” He managed to hit the near upright from in front of the posts. Sheffield had stepped up a gear or two and the power of Mitch Stringer took him over the whitewash to claim the first of his tries, on 53 mins., which brought up 300 points scored for the Eagles in his career. This time Brambani made no mistake in converting. Sheffield were now finding their rhythm, with much improved ball control but Raiders were thinking differently and Wiper scored the Raiders third and final try. Again Haggarty stepped up and cooly slotted over his third conversion. This appeared to give the Eagles the kick they needed and Mitch went on a power run to score his 2nd of the day. Once again Brambani slotted over the necessary conversion.. Raiders dug in and stopped Sheffield scoring on every move. Some heavy tackles went in and eventually the ball was passed out to Brambani who scored a try of his own . He successfully made the score up to 6 and Eagles had a 20 point gap. To end the half, with less than 2 mins left QLT added to his season's tally of 8 and had now scored 64 tries in 64 matches. Brambani finished the afternoon off with another fine goal. Seconds were left on the clock, so Sheffield stuck to the game plan, did nothing silly and held onto the ball until the final whistle went.

 

Replacements: Eagles

Time

On

Off

20

Green

Roche

28

Davey

Henderson

33

Esposito

Stringer

33

Garside

Hirst

50

Stringer

Green

?

Hirst

Straugheir

?

Roche

Knowles

?

Henderson

Davey

?

Green

Esposito

Replacements: Raiders

Time

On

Off

20

Brannan

Butler

22

Whitehead

Dawson

26

Nicholson

Mossop

50

Dawson

Whitehead

?

Mossop

Finch

?

Brennan

Dawson

 

 

 

 

SPONSORS Man of Match: Mitch Stringer

Club 300 Man of Match: Menzie Yere

View From Stand MoM: Mitch Stringer, Carlton Roche

Raiders MoM: Kurt Haggerty

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I've just watched the "Highlights" of the game on eagles tv 

www.eaglestv.co.uk

Not for the squeemish.

Pathetic attempts at tackling

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oh dear

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