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Brian Noble is the new coach of Salford Reds

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Harris? Paul x 2? Hape? Vainikolo?

Cheers Pottsy. That's a decent prompt for Roy Boy's memory.

Never let the facts etc...

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Harris? Paul x 2? Hape? Vainikolo?

 

  and he coached them man and boy.No !  Paul was already there and he signed the other 2  3

  Don't think the overses signings will be so easy this time around.

  I am sure he improved them,though. :mellow:

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Cheers Pottsy. That's a decent prompt for Roy Boy's memory.

Never let the facts etc...

I think TwoBlues has given the answer but would also add that big Les was hardly a "flair" player - more of an agile battering ram!

You can raise a repost, but do try harder ;)

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and he coached them man and boy.No ! Paul was already there and he signed the other 2 3

Don't think the overses signings will be so easy this time around.

I am sure he improved them,though. :mellow:

The accusation was that he didn't like flair players. The fact that he signed them proves the point even more.

A major factor in our demise was the signing of IIestyn Harris, surely a flair player if ever there was one. There's loads more too. Noble has nothing to prove when it comes to developing or signing flair players.

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I think TwoBlues has given the answer but would also add that big Les was hardly a "flair" player - more of an agile battering ram!

You can raise a repost, but do try harder ;)

Going by your very narrow definition, how many Super League players actually qualify as 'flair' players????

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Going by your very narrow definition, how many Super League players actually qualify as 'flair' players????

Sadly not many imo - I do think there are some good youngsters around and time will only tell.

I think the game / coaches in general have over-coached or stifled some of the "Mavericks" (to quote Konkrete) in the SL era as is noticeable by the lack of good creative halves born & bred.

You can use the over use of southern hemisphere halves also being a contributory factor and all clubs have been guilty.

 

As to my comment re Nobby - I would have had Long or Briers in front of Deacon for GB ;)  

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Sadly not many imo - I do think there are some good youngsters around and time will only tell.

I think the game / coaches in general have over-coached or stifled some of the "Mavericks" (to quote Konkrete) in the SL era as is noticeable by the lack of good creative halves born & bred.

You can use the over use of southern hemisphere halves also being a contributory factor and all clubs have been guilty.

 

As to my comment re Nobby - I would have had Long or Briers in front of Deacon for GB ;)

Brian Noble selected

Deacon 3 times for GB

Long 8 times for GB

Briers 0 times for GB

I rest my small overnight bag...

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Brian Noble will be in a different financial position at Salford than he was at Bradford.

 

In those days

 - Aussies could earn more in Britain than at home ... no longer the case.

 - The salary cap was effectively worth more and good players could be attracted by most Superleague clubs ... no longer the case.

 - Clubs could sell players at a profit to Rugby Union ... these days, short-term contracts mean that they can leave for next-to-nothing.

 

At Salford, he will seek British players from cash-strapped Superleague clubs .... even Wigan are now a selling club. The financial straits and short-term contracts in operation at those other clubs means that he can get top players cheaply.

 

He didn't have much money at Crusaders, and bought well. Assuming that the new owner does have genuine financial clout, I think Salford fans can rest easily.

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Brian Noble will be in a different financial position at Salford than he was at Bradford.

 

In those days

 - Aussies could earn more in Britain than at home ... no longer the case.

 - The salary cap was effectively worth more and good players could be attracted by most Superleague clubs ... no longer the case.

 - Clubs could sell players at a profit to Rugby Union ... these days, short-term contracts mean that they can leave for next-to-nothing.

 

At Salford, he will seek British players from cash-strapped Superleague clubs .... even Wigan are now a selling club. The financial straits and short-term contracts in operation at those other clubs means that he can get top players cheaply.

 

He didn't have much money at Crusaders, and bought well. Assuming that the new owner does have genuine financial clout, I think Salford fans can rest easily.

On the 'cash-strapped' point - whilst I wouldn't have worded it like that, I agree, any player should be available for the right price.

 

A transfer fee could be enough for a club to balance its books for a year, maybe two, so I think it can be done.

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On the 'cash-strapped' point - whilst I wouldn't have worded it like that, I agree, any player should be available for the right price.

 

A transfer fee could be enough for a club to balance its books for a year, maybe two, so I think it can be done.

It is the case two of HKR's best players Dobson and Paterson have been suggested, as have Hauraki at Castleford once Chase leaves.

Who may become available at Widnes if SOC has had enough is another question.

I'm not so sure Noble will just rush in with large transfer fees as much as Dr. MK talks big money, but there will probably be elements of a transfer fee.

I note your comment "Balance the books for a year or two" and take that to mean balance the books until the end of the licence period?

The problem with the struggling clubs (who may also know there's writing on the wall for them) offloading too quickly is there's a full season to go next year, and the ability to compete will be badly depleted if they sell their stars now.

The further effect is seen at Castleford who have openly put Chase up for sale agreed to Clark leaving and posted no hands off warnings on Thompson and Hauraki who are seemingly free to go. That has, it was reported, led to the other Cas players "considering their future".

Noble will do what's best for salford of course. Worry is that SL 2014 could have some serious and maybe embarrassing competitiveness problems for several clubs next year as they await the likelihood of the chop.

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It is the case two of HKR's best players Dobson and Paterson have been suggested, as have Hauraki at Castleford once Chase leaves.

Who may become available at Widnes if SOC has had enough is another question.

I'm not so sure Noble will just rush in with large transfer fees as much as Dr. MK talks big money, but there will probably be elements of a transfer fee.

I note your comment "Balance the books for a year or two" and take that to mean balance the books until the end of the licence period?

The problem with the struggling clubs (who may also know there's writing on the wall for them) offloading too quickly is there's a full season to go next year, and the ability to compete will be badly depleted if they sell their stars now.

The further effect is seen at Castleford who have openly put Chase up for sale agreed to Clark leaving and posted no hands off warnings on Thompson and Hauraki who are seemingly free to go. That has, it was reported, led to the other Cas players "considering their future".

Noble will do what's best for salford of course. Worry is that SL 2014 could have some serious and maybe embarrassing competitiveness problems for several clubs next year as they await the likelihood of the chop.

Nope - you read too much into things and automatically try and relate things back to licensing - not unlike Lobby with P&R (see the England Supporter's Club thread!).

 

Steve O'Connor has not stated that he will stop financially investing in Widnes, he is looking for more people to come on board and create a more sustainable club and BOD - which all makes sense. James Rule pretty much stated that SOC will continue to invest.

 

On the point about balancing the books, I mean just that. It is not unusual for clubs to lose £100-200k per year, so if they can get a large transfer fee then it helps financially - this has always been the case and is probably more so in the current financial climate - I don;t see this as anything to do with the licensing period. Money talks and always has.

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Nope - you read too much into things and automatically try and relate things back to licensing - not unlike Lobby with P&R (see the England Supporter's Club thread!).

 

Steve O'Connor has not stated that he will stop financially investing in Widnes,

I only read what is said.....

"""What we're looking to do is build a board around Steve, bring in some new investors, and the obvious benefit of that is there will be an injection of cash into the business. And despite stepping down as chairman, Rule believes O'Connor's commitment to the club will remain as strong as ever""".

The injection of cash into the business is attributed entirely to "some new investors" they don't yet have

The continued investment of O'Connor is not mentioned at all. The word used is "commitment" which does not at all confirm a financial commitment.

Also Rule says he only has a "belief" O'Connor will remain strongly committed, yet he's close enough to actually know whether O'Connor will keep bankrolling the club or not.

Nothing in there at all says that O'Connor is going to continue to put the millions in.

Your too much like Lobby Dave, not reading things properly and just assuming things.

This is a typical press release. It may be O'Connor will continue to put millions in, it may be otherwise. At least Neil Hudgell said he is to stop putting the millions in (good old honesty)

O'Connor could have confirmed he will continue to put significant monies in that would have been easy to do. But he didn't. I think your closer to Lobby's naivety then me!

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Your too much like Lobby Dave, not reading things properly and just assuming things.

This is a typical press release. It may be O'Connor will continue to put millions in, it may be otherwise. At least Neil Hudgell said he is to stop putting the millions in (good old honesty)

O'Connor could have confirmed he will continue to put significant monies in that would have been easy to do. But he didn't. I think your closer to Lobby's naivety then me!

So let me get this straight - you say I don't read properly and then assume things, yet you are claiming that O'Connor has said he is stopping investing. You then above state that SOC may continue to put millions in - but haven't you said he said he was stopping investing?

Surely you haven't assumed that he is no longer investing? That would be slightly hypocritical wouldn't it?

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So let me get this straight - you say I don't read properly and then assume things, yet you are claiming that O'Connor has said he is stopping investing. You then above state that SOC may continue to put millions in - but haven't you said he said he was stopping investing?

Surely you haven't assumed that he is no longer investing? That would be slightly hypocritical wouldn't it?

It could be Dave, but apparently Viking Warrior has the answer, although he was not very clear either.

Quote from the piece "O'Connor has invested millions into the Vikings".

So we know what he has done. What's he going to do as regards money?

Answers on a postcard.....

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Widnes lack the glamour of their neighbours so Steve wants to bring in uncle Des for that bit of showbiz.

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It could be Dave, but apparently Viking Warrior has the answer, although he was not very clear either.

Quote from the piece "O'Connor has invested millions into the Vikings".

So we know what he has done. What's he going to do as regards money?

Answers on a postcard.....

I haven't a clue what he will do regarding money - he wants to back away from the daily running of the club, and wants more external investment.

 

The fact that he will remain as Director suggests there is certainly a level of commitment there, whether it is the same level financially as previously is unknown to any of us (unless I have genuinely missed something).

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Back on topic, it'll be a relief when the first biggish signing is inked

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