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Not sure if anybody saw the FA Cup semi final yesterday - crowd of 62k.

Now if you believe some here, that is the kind of crowd we have had for our recent Challenge Cup Finals - yet the stadium was far far emptier than any RL final played there.

Maybe, just maybe the 75k crowds were right?

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Its probably the Club Wembley issue again. How full was that tier? And how are those 19,000 seats counted in the total?

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Its probably the Club Wembley issue again. How full was that tier? And how are those 19,000 seats counted in the total?

pretty empty like ours. They had huge sections empty on the lower tier.

30k empty seats yesterday.

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Not sure if anybody saw the FA Cup semi final yesterday - crowd of 62k.

Now if you believe some here, that is the kind of crowd we have had for our recent Challenge Cup Finals - yet the stadium was far far emptier than any RL final played there.

Maybe, just maybe the 75k crowds were right?

 

Wigan did return 10,000 of their allocated tickets!

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Wigan did return 10,000 of their allocated tickets!

Yep - and don't get me wrong,this isn't a criticism of their actual crowd - we'd love 20k at a semi final never mind 60k, it was more a point around people stating that our crowds have been around 60-65k  at Wembley as the ground has been a third empty, yet the stadium yesterday was a third empty and the Challenge Cup has never looked anything like that.

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i went in 2010 and I thought it looked pretty full TBH. Although I must admit I (and my lad) went on a freebie courtesy of Carnegie

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Real figure was around 50000/55000 as usual ALL CLUB WEMBLEY etc were included as they are for RL matches.

Lets see what they come up with this year:))))))))

CM

a 50k crowd would mean the whole top tier would be closed (or the equivalent empty)

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Real figure was around 50000/55000 as usual ALL CLUB WEMBLEY etc were included as they are for RL matches.

Lets see what they come up with this year:))))))))

CM

 

According to reports out this week about the alleged difference in attendance figures for Man Utd home games, Wembley aren't the only ones to bump up the figures significantly. 

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A slight thread tangent, and I hope it doesn't sound disrespectful, but should the RFL look into seeing how much it would cost for Wembley for the Northern Rail Cup and/or Championship finals?

 

I know that sound bonkers, but there are plenty of finals like the Johnston Paint Trophy, FA Trophy final, FA Vase Final, etc. that play at Wembley. Now I'm probably right to assume the FA finance these games with their spare change, but it might open up our own Cup games outside the top division if these were held at Wembley.

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According to reports out this week about the alleged difference in attendance figures for Man Utd home games, Wembley aren't the only ones to bump up the figures significantly.

And here is the article in question from The Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2308323/Manchester-United-police-cast-doubt-claims-16-000-added-official-crowd-figures.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"seats sold" is also in use in Rugby League which is why the published attendance figure often does not correspond to what you see with the naked eye.

Of course there are other reasons - according to Eduardo commenating on Wigan v St Helens the empty seats you could see at the JJB were held back for health & safety reasons otherwise the game would have sold out 3 times over. I feel it only fair to reveal exclusively on TRL that London also need to keep 12,500 seats empty at the Stoop for the same health & safety reasons......

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Related story this week appeared about United and possible differences between what they declare and whats sat on a seat watching a game.

 

As for yesterday I see plenty of blocks were empty in what I think was the 60 quid sections at the Millwall end but the press would have you believe they sold there full allocation.

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And here is the article in question from The Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2308323/Manchester-United-police-cast-doubt-claims-16-000-added-official-crowd-figures.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

"seats sold" is also in use in Rugby League which is why the published attendance figure often does not correspond to what you see with the naked eye.

Of course there are other reasons - according to Eduardo commenating on Wigan v St Helens the empty seats you could see at the JJB were held back for health & safety reasons otherwise the game would have sold out 3 times over. I feel it only fair to reveal exclusively on TRL that London also need to keep 12,500 seats empty at the Stoop for the same health & safety reasons......

In all seaters if the game isn't declared all ticket before the event, Wigan and Saints wasn't, then a certain amount of seats in each stand (I think its 10% except where season tickets have already got occupancy) have to be left available for walk ups.

Its a daft police thing where they don't want a load of fans outside with nowhere to go.

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They must do. I went to 2 games in the space of 10 months at the stadium where similar crowds were posted. Apparently the RL had 1,000 more fans in attendance!...

Tampa Bay Buccaneers v New England Patriots - 84,254

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Leeds Rhinos v Warrington Wolves - 85,217

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This was taken by a Wire fan in the opposite end

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So like I said, 1000 more people are apparently in the Stadium for the Cup final.

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A slight thread tangent, and I hope it doesn't sound disrespectful, but should the RFL look into seeing how much it would cost for Wembley for the Northern Rail Cup and/or Championship finals?

 

I know that sound bonkers, but there are plenty of finals like the Johnston Paint Trophy, FA Trophy final, FA Vase Final, etc. that play at Wembley. Now I'm probably right to assume the FA finance these games with their spare change, but it might open up our own Cup games outside the top division if these were held at Wembley.

It'll be out of date now, but I was told going back 2/3 years the cost for the Johnston Paint was in the region of 250k to 300k, but it was only a conversation in passing, so no idea if thats all in (ie police/stewards etc) or just the venue, either way probably over budget for most games we put on.

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Those photos of the Leeds v Wire game are not a good representation.

The rfl had to scramble to get extra tickets for that game and it was announced as a sellout - no other cup final has sold out. The 5-7k empty seats were club wembley they couldnt resell. People were still streaming in at the time of those photos.

Also worth noticing that the NFL had sections at the bottom not open.

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Those photos of the Leeds v Wire game are not a good representation.

The rfl had to scramble to get extra tickets for that game and it was announced as a sellout - no other cup final has sold out. The 5-7k empty seats were club wembley they couldnt resell. People were still streaming in at the time of those photos.

Also worth noticing that the NFL had sections at the bottom not open.

Those sections make up just over 5k. It's strange how the cup final was a sellout though, yet there were massive red areas in both sides of the Stadium

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Those sections make up just over 5k. It's strange how the cup final was a sellout though, yet there were massive red areas in both sides of the Stadium

I certainly dont remember those red sections being empty during the game - although there will always be no-shows especislly with some of the cheap deals knocking around.

Nobody really questioned the Leeds v Wire 2010 crowd at the time.

It is also worth noting that the legroom at wembley is vast - a block of 2-300 empty seats csn look quite prominent.

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I certainly dont remember those red sections being empty during the game - although there will always be no-shows especislly with some of the cheap deals knocking around.

Nobody really questioned the Leeds v Wire 2010 crowd at the time.

It is also worth noting that the legroom at wembley is vast - a block of 2-300 empty seats csn look quite prominent.

I did, but only because Id been to see the Bucs game the year before and it felt much more full.

I get what you are saying though with the space you get. If Wembley had seat areas the same size as as Old Trafford, it would hold 120,000 people.

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any pictures about of when the rl game had kicked off?

Just to be clear, that. Comparing an NFL photo taken during the game with a pre-match rugby one when fans will be on the concourse or still getting into the stadium is meaningless.

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Just to be clear, that. Comparing an NFL photo taken during the game with a pre-match rugby one when fans will be on the concourse or still getting into the stadium is meaningless.

Not if your team lost and you have a tired agenda to run down the competition in question.

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Isn't it strange how there is the frequent assertion that our game is not as popular with the fans as we might think/like. There seems to be a vicarious pleasure in trying to show how many empty seats there are.

Only in Rugby League...

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See what you've done now Harrigan you've woke CM up.

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