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Havenwarrior

What A Farce

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Seems clubs are unsure who plays for them, brings the DR system and So Called Partnerships even more to the fore, it's a farce to save them poor SL clubs money.

There has been some confusion surrounding young centre James Mendeika's loan move to London Broncos earlier this week.

Mendeika, 21, has moved south on a five-week loan in a deal announced by both Warrington and the Broncos.

However, Mendeika is actually on the move from Championship side Swinton, with whom he signed a one-year deal earlier this season, alongside five other ex-Wolves team-mates - Glenn Riley, Ryan Shaw, Gene Ormsby, Jordan Burke and Jack Morrison.

The RFL have confirmed that Mendeika is officially a Swinton player, now on loan to London.

The confusion stems from the partnership between Warrington and Swinton, which sees the Lions make use of the Wolves' facilities, effectively meaning the six players have continued to train full-time with Warrington.

That confusion was further increased when Warrington announced that Mendeika, as their player, had made the move south, while London also announced in a press release that they had signed Mendeika from their Super League rivals; when in fact, he had been signed from Swinton.

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Swinton are just Wires A side, the RFL likely see it that way and so do probably Wire and Swinton. It doesn't really matter if I'm honest if he's good enough for SL he'll play for Warrington if he isn't he'll play of Swinton.

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So Swinton have 6 part-time players, whose full-time job is training with Warrington but not playing for Warrington. Of these 6, one has now gone on loan to London, where the confusion arose when both Warrington and London announced that they had signed a loan player from Warrington, rather than the reality that they had signed one from Warrington's pool of players that train with them, but one that is contracted to, and plays for Swinton. Simples. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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So Swinton have 6 part-time players, whose full-time job is training with Warrington but not playing for Warrington. Of these 6, one has now gone on loan to London, where the confusion arose when both Warrington and London announced that they had signed a loan player from Warrington, rather than the reality that they had signed one from Warrington's pool of players that train with them, but one that is contracted to, and plays for Swinton. Simples. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for clearing that one up for us  :lol:

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Simple error is probably Warrington assuming all players are theirs by right

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It's a 'clarification' that insults the intelligence of the reader, it simply repeats what we already know & makes no attempt to answer the glaringly obvious questions which arise:

Why would Warrington announce the loan transfer of a player that no longer has any connection to them?

How could London possibly believe they had signed him from Warrington? They had just completed negotiations with Swinton, hadn't they?

Interestingly it also seems to confirm that Warrington are in breach of the operational rules by allowing unregistered players to train with them.

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The RFL will monitor the situation on DR and report back at the end of the season by which time this will have been forgotten about and DR will be hailed as a success.

Mendieka, Riley et al are still described as in Warringtons first team squad on the Wolves website - you'd have thought they would be up to date by now.

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As the heading says, it is a farce and it just confirms what everyone said at the time that the six players that changed overnight from being dual registered to signed Swinton players was merely a ploy to get round Warrington not having a reserve team any more.   

 

The RFL need to be looking at this now, not at the end of the season.   Warrington should have no control whatsoever over a player signed by Swinton. 

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As the heading says, it is a farce and it just confirms what everyone said at the time that the six players that changed overnight from being dual registered to signed Swinton players was merely a ploy to get round Warrington not having a reserve team any more.

The RFL need to be looking at this now, not at the end of the season. Warrington should have no control whatsoever over a player signed by Swinton.

Spot on.

It's farcical how Swinton (and Warrington) have been allowed to bend the rules this way.

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Again its poor adminstration by the RFL. We all make mistakes but the way the RFL just seem to allow such things to happen and do nothing is for me not right

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Swinton are just Wires A side, the RFL likely see it that way and so do probably Wire and Swinton. It doesn't really matter if I'm honest if he's good enough for SL he'll play for Warrington if he isn't he'll play of Swinton.

Realistic reply there as usual BRK.

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What I'm interested to know is how, when on a part-time contract with Swinton, is the player(s) in question able to afford to train full time with Warrington? Are they really able to live on a part-time RL salary without another job? Or is the reality that Warrington are actually paying them a wage as well, despite them being contracted to Swinton and Swinton alone.

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What I'm interested to know is how, when on a part-time contract with Swinton, is the player(s) in question able to afford to train full time with Warrington? Are they really able to live on a part-time RL salary without another job? Or is the reality that Warrington are actually paying them a wage as well, despite them being contracted to Swinton and Swinton alone.

I am sure the Salary Cap Manager at the RFL will be on top of this issue....

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I am sure the Salary Cap Manager at the RFL will be on top of this issue....

Salary cap is only for your core first team squad of 25 isn't it? Unless he plays first team for Warrington he wouldn't count on the cap, so it's not a cap issue.

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The sooner they abandon this farcical facade the better!

 

Stop siphoning every penny towards the top and start funding and running proper youth systems at every professional club.

U14s Development squads, U15s & U16s Scholarships, U18s and a 2nd team.

 

Forge stronger, closer links with schools and community clubs then support those establishments with personnel on a regular basis.

Once this is done,

STOP MESSING ABOUT WITH IT!

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Salary cap is only for your core first team squad of 25 isn't it? Unless he plays first team for Warrington he wouldn't count on the cap, so it's not a cap issue.

 He isn't even registered with Warrington, nevermind in their first team squad! Interesting job to have though, training with Warrington when you don't play for them/aren't registered with them. :wacko:

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Salary cap is only for your core first team squad of 25 isn't it? Unless he plays first team for Warrington he wouldn't count on the cap, so it's not a cap issue.

It may impact Swinton's though?

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 He isn't even registered with Warrington, nevermind in their first team squad! Interesting job to have though, training with Warrington when you don't play for them/aren't registered with them. :wacko:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's no issues, just not a salary cap issue (from Warrington's pov)

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It may impact Swinton's though?

good point

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The sooner they abandon this farcical facade the better!

 

Stop siphoning every penny towards the top and start funding and running proper youth systems at every professional club.

U14s Development squads, U15s & U16s Scholarships, U18s and a 2nd team.

 

Forge stronger, closer links with schools and community clubs then support those establishments with personnel on a regular basis.

Once this is done,

STOP MESSING ABOUT WITH IT!

Is U14's/15's/16's/18's and 2nd team the premium solution or just your preference?

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Is U14's/15's/16's/18's and 2nd team the premium solution or just your preference?

 

I think it's close enough to what we have now to be feasable, We already have the U14s, U15s & U16s its whats happening beyond that which is farcical.

 

My preference would be to have U17s, U19s and then a version of the old 'A' team

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He isn't even registered with Warrington, nevermind in their first team squad! Interesting job to have though, training with Warrington when you don't play for them/aren't registered with them. :wacko:

Isn't the dual registration between the clubs about sharing facilities and knowledge as well as just sharing players. Is it not possible he's training at Warrington as part of the Swinton team.

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Isn't the dual registration between the clubs about sharing facilities and knowledge as well as just sharing players. Is it not possible he's training at Warrington as part of the Swinton team.

I, perhaps mistakenly, always thought players signed to the Championship club could train with the Super League side as part of the partnership agreement.  I guess, if correct this was intended so any prospect from the Championship could benefit/test the water of the Super League set up as part of the agreement.  But the reality is obviously somewhat different!

 

With regard wages, is there anything to stop Swinton playing a player a part time players wage and then a Super League club employing them in a part time community/development role?  Not saying for a second that is happening, but I guess it could do.

 

A lot of "guessing" going on, but I'm not alone judging from threads on here/other forums/social networks!  Not a fan of DR at all.

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Isn't the dual registration between the clubs about sharing facilities and knowledge as well as just sharing players. Is it not possible he's training at Warrington as part of the Swinton team.

 Quite possibly he is for some of the time if Swinton are using Warrington's facilities. The OP quotes he is training with Warrington (along with 5 other Swinton contracted payments) on a full time basis however, which means he isn't just training with Swinton, but with Warrington too.

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A lot of "guessing" going on, but I'm not alone judging from threads on here/other forums/social networks! 

 Perhaps most of the guessing is because the rules appear as clear as mud. :lol: 

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