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Clubs aiming beyond their capabilities

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And your challenge would be not to post pie in the sky ideas and back them up with stats about leagues that have no relvence to the game in this country. If you think mergers are the way forward, then fine, you imo are wrong, but you of course are entitled to your opinion.

that's a fair point

 

but for the very reasons you give, ideas about mergers in uk rugby league not working are pie in the sky with no stats to back them up. Although for the record Featherstone Rovers are the result of a merger, but the situation was more fluid then.

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Great post, why can't the merger mob get this into their thick skulls?

I will admit that there have been times when I have thought about the idea of an over arching "super" club with the three as feeders, but as you say, no one would watch it.

 Well, now. no one actually knows if that is true or not. It might be,...or again, it might not be.

 

One possibility is that the ticket-buying fans might mount some sort of protest that generates a rise in gates at the affected clubs. Another might be a boycott of a merged team  that results in reduced gate.  Both of these effects might be temporary or permanent.  They might be temporary as older fans  take the most permanent red card of all, only to be replaced by a new generation of 21st century fans.

 

I do think, though that the current situation of Fev, Wakie and Cas ( for example) supports my belief that the support, finance, playing strength and management  of those clubs has not reached critical mass and so there is no chain reaction strong enough to support  two out of three at SL level, never mind three out of three.

 

I reckon there is though, enough to support ONE SL club in that area that could compete with Wigan, Leeds, Bradford, Saints, Wire etc. I'm not suggesting a deliberate move in that direction, though. It may be  that Wakefield currently the strongest of the three,  takes on the mantle at the expense of Cas and Fev. Or it may be of course that circumstances  force the issue.

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And your challenge would be not to post pie in the sky ideas and back them up with stats about leagues that have no relvence to the game in this country. If you think mergers are the way forward, then fine, you imo are wrong, but you of course are entitled to your opinion.

 

ok, well I fell into the trap of arguing and that is my fault as this is an opinion piece which all are entitled. As new to this forum thing, I need to work on that. 

 

I do feel that spectator sport is part of the entertainment industry and that overseas developments are relevant here.

 

Back to my opinion, the region can only sustain 1 SL club and SLE need to act on this. I never mentioned merger to star with, I mentioned a new club where the three existing clubs are stakeholders. This will give fans of all three a SL club to support.

 

If the existing clubs and fans wish to fight for that single place, then so be it, but there will be more people disappointed than in my original idea and ultimately a longer route to success for the lucky club selected.

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1. As new to this forum thing, I need to work on that. 

 

2. Back to my opinion, the region can only sustain 1 SL club and SLE need to act on this.

3. If the existing clubs and fans wish to fight for that single place, then so be it, but there will be more people disappointed than in my original idea and ultimately a longer route to success for the lucky club selected.

1. Your doing great. You need to work on nothing. Some of the old heads on here need to work on their manners.

2. "act"!!!! You assume the RFL/SLE are passive??

3. Oh I agree 100% that a fight to the death (a Padge quote, watch out for that guy) may be "ultimately a longer route to success for the lucky club"

But this is the era of licensing and format re-jigging. Fev only have a right to an SL place if SL remain at 14 clubs and a 10 club SL is likely to reject anyone skint playing out of a ground with few seats but plenty of asbestos cement cladding.

They're not passive, they're conniving......

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there is no trend of decline

 

but

 

a successful, well supported world cup would be nice-although for some bizarre reason supporters of at least one club actively oppose it.

 

An end to the recession

 

the rise and rise of clubs like Bradford salford and wakefield, who have had bad experiences that some people have gloated about, yet those same people have seen to have gone quiet about in the light of their bouncing back

 

a serious thoroughgoing examination of what is going on at London Broncos. The potential is massive, the game is established in the South east yet the club is massively under achieving.

 

a broadening of the competitiveness of Super League so that more clubs are capable of making a major impact. relegating one club and replacing it with a weaker one: the farce/joke/ laughing stock of Leigh replacing Castleford for instance several years ago demeans the competition rather than enhances it. If Featherstone for instance were to replace castleford-currently SL's weakest team, would they do any better-assuming they would be relegated immediately  as the period of grace that Widnes for instance enjoy, would be abandoned on principle. If not then it would be futile, expensive and quite possibly have catastrophic ramifications for both clubs.

 

and the acquisition of a credible main sponsor for the sport's flagship competition. Even in the previously mentioned recession this should not be beyond the capabilities of those who are employed to achieve this.

 

Do you seriously believe that bringing back a discredited structure to the professional game is the panacea that it needs? In itself risible, but also self serving and also the idea that one element will bring the game into some sunny carefree upland is untenable.

 

Super League is not a 'division' within a competition, it is a competition in itself. The championship is a competition with two divisions.

 

Again there is no downward trend in attendances.

Where have I suggested a return to P and R ?

 

There is a definate decline in the Championship , and one in SL if you look at recent figures , partly without doubt due to the reccession , but also a lack of intensity

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there is no trend of decline

 

but

 

a successful, well supported world cup would be nice-although for some bizarre reason supporters of at least one club actively oppose it.

 

An end to the recession

 

the rise and rise of clubs like Bradford salford and wakefield, who have had bad experiences that some people have gloated about, yet those same people have seen to have gone quiet about in the light of their bouncing back

 

a serious thoroughgoing examination of what is going on at London Broncos. The potential is massive, the game is established in the South east yet the club is massively under achieving.

 

a broadening of the competitiveness of Super League so that more clubs are capable of making a major impact. relegating one club and replacing it with a weaker one: the farce/joke/ laughing stock of Leigh replacing Castleford for instance several years ago demeans the competition rather than enhances it. If Featherstone for instance were to replace castleford-currently SL's weakest team, would they do any better-assuming they would be relegated immediately  as the period of grace that Widnes for instance enjoy, would be abandoned on principle. If not then it would be futile, expensive and quite possibly have catastrophic ramifications for both clubs.

 

and the acquisition of a credible main sponsor for the sport's flagship competition. Even in the previously mentioned recession this should not be beyond the capabilities of those who are employed to achieve this.

 

Do you seriously believe that bringing back a discredited structure to the professional game is the panacea that it needs? In itself risible, but also self serving and also the idea that one element will bring the game into some sunny carefree upland is untenable.

 

Super League is not a 'division' within a competition, it is a competition in itself. The championship is a competition with two divisions.

 

Again there is no downward trend in attendances.

I asked you for a solution , ie , what you think the clubs and the governing body should DO to change/improve things , not just a wish list

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Where have I suggested a return to P and R ?

 

There is a definate decline in the Championship , and one in SL if you look at recent figures , partly without doubt due to the reccession , but also a lack of intensity

 

I'm sure you can back that up so what are your sources?

 

- what is your evidence to support your assertion that  SuperLeague gates are falling?

- what is your evidence that the "recession" is having any effect on anything?

- What is your evidence that there is any lack of intensity?

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I asked you for a solution , ie , what you think the clubs and the governing body should DO to change/improve things , not just a wish list

 

 

I asked you for a solution , ie , what you think the clubs and the governing body should DO to change/improve things , not just a wish list

one person's wish list is another's to do list.

All of these things are doable.

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There is a definate decline in the Championship , and one in SL if you look at recent figures , partly without doubt due to the reccession , but also a lack of intensity

Hence all alleged "solutions" are to drop the number in SL to up the intensity.

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