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Fullback is a position well covered in the NRL.

Tomkins would get reasonable offers from the NRL but I doubt it would be much more than Widdop got who is tried and tested and will not homesick or cry off if it gets tough.

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Fullback is a position well covered in the NRL.Tomkins would get reasonable offers from the NRL but I doubt it would be much more than Widdop got who is tried and tested and will not homesick or cry off if it gets tough.

This the same NRL where Luke and George Burgess comfortably make the first team, and Williams walks straight back into after not playing competitive sport for years?

He'd be a superstar from day 1 and the clubs are astute enough to know it. He's twice the player Widdop will ever be. Having had to adjust as a family to moving from Milton Keynes to Chorley, he'd be equipped for any culture shock.

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This the same NRL where Luke and George Burgess comfortably make the first team, and Williams walks straight back into after not playing competitive sport for years?

He'd be a superstar from day 1 and the clubs are astute enough to know it. He's twice the player Widdop will ever be. Having had to adjust as a family to moving from Milton Keynes to Chorley, he'd be equipped for any culture shock.

Neither Luke or George Burgess walked into first grade did they?

They were so so in England and have been brought through to first grade.

Williams was one of the best players in the NRL when he left, he did ok in Union and was in the All Blacks World Cup winning team, why would he not make the grade in the NRL?

Many top Union players are easily as good as their counterparts in Rugby League. Don't you realise that?

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Didn't you realise that Union players are fat, slow, poor at tackling and completely lacking in skill. Sonny Bill Williams couldn't even hold down a place in the All Blacks side. Beyond all the media hype he is a limited and one dimensional Union player. Great at carving up rubbish but struggled against sides who could actually tackle.

Anyway I think it is pretty obvious that Sam Tomkins would command a bigger pay check in the NRL than Gareth Widdop who happens to be a decent player in a very good team. Tomkins is the best player in Super League with the highest profile and has that X factor that can win a side games from nothing.

If Widdop didn't play in the NRL and didn't play for Melbourne people wouldn't make a fuss about him. Playing in a great side doesn't make you a great player. Sure he is a decent player and should probably start for England but Tomkins is on another level completely. Apart from maybe 2 or 3 of the top clubs the rest of the NRL would bite their hands off to get hold of Tomkins.

If the recent English players in the NRL have proven anything it is that top English are more than good enough the problem is they are held back from having to play in the uncompetitive Super League competition were the quality is too thinly spread and the season structure means the regular season games lack meaning and intensity.

I have a suspicion he will go to Saracens RU and with Andy Farrell involved in the England setup he will be fast tracked into the England RU squad like his brother has been. It should be noted that Saracens are owned by a South African billionaire for who money is no objective and there are strong suspicions that they are cheating the RU salary cap by keeping their financial dealing offshore in South Africa.

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The £152m deal includes the HC cup, or equivalent. Only around £100m is for the premiership.

This is not much more than they get now, and less than SL got.

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Didn't you realise that Union players are fat, slow, poor at tackling and completely lacking in skill. Sonny Bill Williams couldn't even hold down a place in the All Blacks side. Beyond all the media hype he is a limited and one dimensional Union player. Great at carving up rubbish but struggled against sides who could actually tackle.

Anyway I think it is pretty obvious that Sam Tomkins would command a bigger pay check in the NRL than Gareth Widdop who happens to be a decent player in a very good team. Tomkins is the best player in Super League with the highest profile and has that X factor that can win a side games from nothing.

If Widdop didn't play in the NRL and didn't play for Melbourne people wouldn't make a fuss about him. Playing in a great side doesn't make you a great player. Sure he is a decent player and should probably start for England but Tomkins is on another level completely. Apart from maybe 2 or 3 of the top clubs the rest of the NRL would bite their hands off to get hold of Tomkins.

If the recent English players in the NRL have proven anything it is that top English are more than good enough the problem is they are held back from having to play in the uncompetitive Super League competition were the quality is too thinly spread and the season structure means the regular season games lack meaning and intensity.

I have a suspicion he will go to Saracens RU and with Andy Farrell involved in the England setup he will be fast tracked into the England RU squad like his brother has been. It should be noted that Saracens are owned by a South African billionaire for who money is no objective and there are strong suspicions that they are cheating the RU salary cap by keeping their financial dealing offshore in South Africa.

You are stupid and do not warrant a reply.

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You mean like the long list of cry baby Australians who have skulked off back home from SL when they realised it wasn't as easy as they thought it was going to be.

 

Christ you are arrogant.

Why were those cry baby Aussies not locked into financial deals where they could not pull out without losing money?

I see you chose not to fill in the players leaving on mass to the NRL in the previous thread.

The fact is Hannibal, yes that is you, why do you still have that arrogant streak that saw you banned here?

Wigan Warrior was a poor attempt.

I was prepared to move on and live and let live but the fact you can not change your ways makes me think you are what you are and that will not change, settle mate you will blow a Turbo :-) if you keep going. The 1000 Park games you played have messed with your Head.

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I'd rather Hannibal than AC. At least he has wit.

Neither Burgess would have made it into the top 50 SL players yet neither has struggled in the NRL.

If Williams can go from a game in which he touches the ball 5 times a game and has to make as few tackles and crack the NRL in 5 minutes it can't be that hard.

Sam would be a superstar, as I hope time will tell.

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I'd rather Hannibal than AC. At least he has wit.

Neither Burgess would have made it into the top 50 SL players yet neither has struggled in the NRL.

If Williams can go from a game in which he touches the ball 5 times a game and has to make as few tackles and crack the NRL in 5 minutes it can't be that hard.

Sam would be a superstar, as I hope time will tell.

Why do you think Union players are ######?

Many in the Southern Hemisphere at least are just as good as their League counterparts.

The fact you are a halfwit and can not make any sort of judgement in pretty basic things sums it up.

Simpleton is a word that describes you and your knowledge of the game.

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You are stupid and do not warrant a reply.

Am I?

If Gareth Widdop was such an exceptional player why isn't he the first choice 6 for the England team ahead of a converted loose forward? He is a decent player but not amazing.

Tomkins would be a hit in the NRL. There is any reason why he wouldn't? English players of a similar quality who have moved there. Morely, Burgess, Graham have all been successful.

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Am I?

If Gareth Widdop was such an exceptional player why isn't he the first choice 6 for the England team ahead of a converted loose forward? He is a decent player but not amazing.

Tomkins would be a hit in the NRL. There is any reason why he wouldn't? English players of a similar quality who have moved there. Morely, Burgess, Graham have all been successful.

Go away annoying person.

Why do you not try and answer some of your own questions.

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No. It is a free board you arrogant and dismissive git.

Learn some manners rather than sneering at other people.

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Why do you think Union players are ######?Many in the Southern Hemisphere at least are just as good as their League counterparts.The fact you are a halfwit and can not make any sort of judgement in pretty basic things sums it up.Simpleton is a word that describes you and your knowledge of the game.

Where to start with this collection of gems?

Vichies are probably good at what they do all day. There are huge numbers of them, and so they are likely to have some very good ones at what they do. I have played (to my shame) and watched enough of both to observe that the skills required to play league well from day 1 at the highest will be beyond all but a few Vichies. If you spend more than half of a "game" either watching people in various heaps, being lifted in the air or kicking you are not learning the sorts of skills you need at league. Given that the NRL considered Flannagan first grade material, it doesn't surprise me that even unionistas can get a run, particularly with access to the standard NRL "supplements".

I won't deign (feel free to look up its meaning) to comment on your abuse. Given the number of others who receive similar abuse, I wonder whether you might have wandered onto the wrong site?

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Wouldn't be surprised if AC is the same person as League Freak or East Coast Tiger. Same lack of objectivity in terms of the NRL and SL. Everyone knows that the standard of the NRL is higher overall, but it doesn't mean every player is better than the cream of SL. No disrespect to Widdop, but for all this talk of him being proven in NRL - all he's proven is that he can be the fourth best playmaker on the best team, not that he can consistently carry the playmaking responsibility as the main man in an NRL side. In contrast Tomkins has proven to be quite simply the best player not only in his successful team, but all of SL. Whilst he has defensive frailties (as does Widdop from games I've witnessed), as an attacking force he is right up with the best of the NRL I have no doubt. Whilst it would be a real disappointment on a personal level to not see him play week in week out for Wigan, I hope he moves to the NRL and proves the arrogant doubters wrong.

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Wouldn't be surprised if AC is the same person as League Freak or East Coast Tiger. Same lack of objectivity in terms of the NRL and SL. Everyone knows that the standard of the NRL is higher overall, but it doesn't mean every player is better than the cream of SL. No disrespect to Widdop, but for all this talk of him being proven in NRL - all he's proven is that he can be the fourth best playmaker on the best team, not that he can consistently carry the playmaking responsibility as the main man in an NRL side. In contrast Tomkins has proven to be quite simply the best player not only in his successful team, but all of SL. Whilst he has defensive frailties (as does Widdop from games I've witnessed), as an attacking force he is right up with the best of the NRL I have no doubt. Whilst it would be a real disappointment on a personal level to not see him play week in week out for Wigan, I hope he moves to the NRL and proves the arrogant doubters wrong.

Exactly. In any sport being a decent player in a great team doesn't make mean the decent player is great. Widdop has been fortunate that he has played with so many great players.

By Super League standards Tomkins is a great player and by NRL standards he is likely to be a very good one. I don't get all this negativity. Burgess, Ellis and Graham have proven how good English players can be if they are given opportunity to test themselves against the best.

English rugby league's problem isn't the lack of talented players it is the lack of a competitive enviroment in which they can test themselves and improve. The Super League just isn't up to scratch in that regard.

Look at New Zealand. When they had most of their players playing in the UK they were fodder. Once the Kiwis got most of their players based in the NRL they became Four Nations Champions and World Champions. Basically the more English players in the NRL the stronger the England team will be.

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Wouldn't be surprised if AC is the same person as League Freak or East Coast Tiger. Same lack of objectivity in terms of the NRL and SL. Everyone knows that the standard of the NRL is higher overall, but it doesn't mean every player is better than the cream of SL. No disrespect to Widdop, but for all this talk of him being proven in NRL - all he's proven is that he can be the fourth best playmaker on the best team, not that he can consistently carry the playmaking responsibility as the main man in an NRL side. In contrast Tomkins has proven to be quite simply the best player not only in his successful team, but all of SL. Whilst he has defensive frailties (as does Widdop from games I've witnessed), as an attacking force he is right up with the best of the NRL I have no doubt. Whilst it would be a real disappointment on a personal level to not see him play week in week out for Wigan, I hope he moves to the NRL and proves the arrogant doubters wrong.

Unfortunately, you are looking at it from a SL perspective. Regardless of how good Tomkins is, he will be viewed as inferior by those in the NRL until such time as he has gone there and proven himself in the NRL.

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I've forgotten what this thread was about.

What's with all the silliness?

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Unfortunately, you are looking at it from a SL perspective. Regardless of how good Tomkins is, he will be viewed as inferior by those in the NRL until such time as he has gone there and proven himself in the NRL.

But why did he look world class in the games against NZ and Aus in the 2011 4N who are made up of the best players from the NRL.

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But why did he look world class in the games against NZ and Aus in the 2011 4N who are made up of the best players from the NRL.

 

But it isn't the week-in, week-out grind of the weekly rounds, etc.

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But it isn't the week-in, week-out grind of the weekly rounds, etc.

I'd of thought the international stage is harder to perform on rather than the NRL.

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I'd of thought the international stage is harder to perform on rather than the NRL.

 

Not in Australia.

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The only way we are going to find out whether Tomkins can deal with the NRL week in week out is for him to play in the competition. I see no reason why Tomkins wouldn't make an impact.

Put it this way. When the Aussies are preparing to play England which English back do you think they worry about most and do their most homework on? He can worry the Kangaroos he can cope with the NRL.

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Interesting that Matthew Elliott says the gap between NRL and SL has never been bigger.

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If it a decision on a challenge then NRL if cash English rugby u, will he follow in the path of Robinson and Farrell or stay in league which I can see the only way that happening in the NRL. He has the ability reported today that roosters looking to get him also don't discount manly given Brett Stewart early retirement rumours.

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The only way we are going to find out whether Tomkins can deal with the NRL week in week out is for him to play in the competition. I see no reason why Tomkins wouldn't make an impact.

Put it this way. When the Aussies are preparing to play England which English back do you think they worry about most and do their most homework on? He can worry the Kangaroos he can cope with the NRL.

Ryan Hall, one of the best players in the world in his position, if not the best.

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