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Sam Tomkins to NZ Warriors in 2015 (merged threads)

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Sam is quality but it is inexcusable that someone of his reputed talent has not sorted out his issues under the high ball.

Which is why Hardaker is a better bet at full back for a wet Autumn night at Old Trafford IMO.

You don't win games with solid defence. You win with creative attack!

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You don't win games with solid defence. You win with creative attack!

Are you actually a Hull KR fan?! :P

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And Slater never drops anything? Then again Slaters reliability on kick returns probably helps against the kiwis...

B/kid c'mon why be so pedantic? I would be the first to agree that every player makes such mistakes and that dropped high balls do happen to be one of the items that F/Backs suffer. Obviously they are often very noticeable occurrences.

But surely you cannot make out a comparable case with the frequent glaring misses that Sam Tomkins ( even in the S/L ) makes a habit of and the ones that you can count made by Slater and for that matter, a lot of other F/Backs playing presently within the NRL and S/L also, most of whom have (also deserve for other aspects in their game) much lower profiles than Sam Tomkins.

Even you yourself have commented on this very item in an critical manner too, have you not?

My criticism of Tomkins on this theme is one I do not apologise over, for it is the low point of what is otherwise an excellent player in almost every other aspect of his game, yet the fact remains that Sam Tomkins, love him or not, is NOT at all proficient or even ( I do not like saying this either) reliable when subjected to this method of attack and could prove a poor last line of defence if on one of his off days, when he will without any doubt be subjected to a hailstorm possibly of high and almost certainly accurate kicks from both the top S/Hemi sides and probably others also.

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Sam is quality but it is inexcusable that someone of his reputed talent has not sorted out his issues under the high ball.

 

Which is why Hardaker is a better bet at full back for a wet Autumn night at Old Trafford IMO.

I believe that I would have to agree with that, the risk with Sam filling the F/B position is one that I personally fear could sorely backfire for us. 

You don't win games with solid defence. You win with creative attack!

Ah but not if the opposition scores more than you do, what.

PS: I doubt that any S/Hemi coach would agree with you on that either.

 

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Rumours in the Aussie press that the Roosters are also interested in Sam.

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The last time I watched Hardaker he dropped a high kick. I cannot recall Sam dropping one in any recent game. Hodgson, who spent years in the NRL, is much less reliable than Sam, and he played SoO (and is thus Superman in the NRL apologists department). As for Slater, he's a million miles away from being safe as houses. If Scott Moore and all the burgesses walk into first teams over it demonstrably ain't all that.

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Good luck to Sam if indeed he does go to NRL. It must be terribly frustrating for him fannying around here where the game is held in such low regard by so many, including sometimes by its own fans.

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Ah but not if the opposition scores more than you do, what.

PS: I doubt that any S/Hemi coach would agree with you on that either..

But you physically cannot win a game on defence alone. You need to score points! If your attack is absolutely shocking the best you can hope for is a 0-0 draw!

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Good on him for asking for huge money to entice him away. He's happy where he is I'm pretty sure.

He'd be a pretty rich young man if someone took the plunge!

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Think Sam is going to be up against it with the aussie press whenever he does go over there. Already read a few negative articles aimed at trying to show him in a less than positive light

This one, trying to paint a picture that he wants more than he's worth, and another i've seen that claims he's saying no aussie forwards would make the English team! both seem to be aimed at getting the Australian RL public against him.

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You mean like the long list of cry baby Australians who have skulked off back home from SL when they realised it wasn't as easy as they thought it was going to be.

 

Christ you are arrogant.

Not as much as you Mate.

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I've heard  that Roosters were after him but baulked at his Salary demands. Truth in the Warriors rumour but surelty he would want to be at a Sydney club?

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The last time I watched Hardaker he dropped a high kick. I cannot recall Sam dropping one in any recent game. 

 

That's probably because Sam tends to let the ball bounce quite a bit!

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I've heard  that Roosters were after him but baulked at his Salary demands. Truth in the Warriors rumour but surelty he would want to be at a Sydney club?

 

Sounds like he's being greedy and his prime motivation for going is the filthy lucre, not the challenge of playing in the top comp.

 

Putting it into perspective, I have seen that the Rabbitohs were prepared to offer Inglis a similar amount (although a proportion is likely made up from 3rd party sponsorship) to resign which would have made him the first $1m player. Not surprised at the Roosters' reaction, £660k pa is a fair chunk of money, a significant increase on his Wigan salary and I would imagine one of the top NRL salaries paid? I presume there will be some kind of transfer fee too. 

 

So is Tomkins really worth as much as Inglis and Slater? I'd have to question that, particularly as they are both seasoned NRL pros.

 

Just out of interest, what are the likes of Burgess and Graham on?

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Good on Sam if he can get a good salary, it's a job just like the rest of us and not many of us change jobs for the challenge, he is a long time retired and needs to earn as much as he can while he is young

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I've heard  that Roosters were after him but baulked at his Salary demands. Truth in the Warriors rumour but surelty he would want to be at a Sydney club?

I heard a similar rumour but it wasn't his salary demand they had a problem with but rather the release fee Lenegan put on him.

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I just hope the RL clubs don't start arguing and moaning whilst Union clubs sneak in and offer what the lad is worth.

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Tomkin's Agent is hardly going to go into any negotiations and ask for whatever the particular NRL club think he's worth.

Any club that wants him will have to pay a fee, and Wigan wont let him go without being properly compensated, and rightly so.

Personally i think a lot of these stories are the Aussie press getting a few shots in on Sam early doors.

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It's his profile as well that a club will be paying for, which ever club gets him will get a few extra fans especially from this side of the hemisphere. Like somebody else has said he's a long time retired and Wigan don't produce the likes of him every year, so I would hold out for what I could get. He'll be good value though for any club.

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And rightly so to. If we are to be stripped of our best players by a competition that, according to most, don't need these players, then they should pay for that privilege.

 

I for one am not happy that all these players are going to end up in the NRL. I know people bleat on about how important it is for the international game that our players get to play against the best, but to be honest, I don't actually care that much.

 

We play a couple of internationals a year, and for the honour of a supposed competitive advantage, we don't get to watch our best players week in, week out.

 

If the Australian comp is as good as they say it is, then let them get on with developing their own players, and let us be as prohibitive as we can be when setting the transfer fees.

 

Wigan should sell Tomkins for £1M.

Guess he is going to French Rugby Union then with Digby Ioane.

No NRL Club is going to pay big transfer fees, it does not work that way in Australia unless you are S Burgess and have a man with too much money calling the shots.

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Really?

 

So you think your mighty NRL clubs are going to get these players for free?

 

Dream on.

They are certainly not going to pay $1.5 million dollars in a transfer fee.

You are the one Dreaming there.

Then if an NRL club did buy him at a reasonable fee they still have to teach him how to catch a ball on the full. :-)

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They are certainly not going to pay $1.5 million dollars in a transfer fee.

You are the one Dreaming there.

Then if an NRL club did buy him at a reasonable fee they still have to teach him how to catch a ball on the full. :-)

Tomkins has improved this year. Also Barba was brilliant at catching the ball on the full when he started playing first grade NRL. Don't forget Slater who NEVER drops anything.

Why can't you accept that a player playing in Super League is better than the majority the NRL has to offer.

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