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IMO Wilkin gets away with a lot of stuff other players get canned for.  If Meli doesn't stiff arm Hall it's game over anyway.  One of the worst stiff arms I've seen - reminiscent of Paul Rose on Johnnie Gilbert at Wembley in '83.

With you all the way on that post 

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Saints also seem to think the shoulder charge hasn't been banned for some reason.

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Where the hell were the explosions with Bruce Willis diving through them to score a try for USA in the 2013 World Cup Final???

You know Willis was born in Germany and his mother was German? haha

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I'm not sure what the punishment is for a shoulder charge per se.  Is it just a penalty?

Just to be clear, yes. A shoulder charge itself is just a penalty.

The two that were also put on report were not for the shoulder charges but for possible contact with the head as Silverwood and the touch judges said at the time they did not see where contact was made.

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Good crowd at Fev for both the Cas and Wigan games last year

Depends what you'd class as good - the crowds were ok imho.

 

I should have probably clarified, I would always expect a half decent crowd if it was staged at the lower division club due to the novelty, but the crowds as far as I'm aware have always been well down when played at the top division club's ground.

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One of the worst stiff arms I've seen - reminiscent of Paul Rose on Johnnie Gilbert at Wembley in '83.

I wouldn't bring Wembley '83 up as examples of foul play if I were you.

 

Terry Hudson kicking Kevin Harkin in the head was far worse than anything Paul Rose ever did.

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Meli's attempt was pretty horrific and he ought to get banned for a few games even though he had a spotless record prior to that (I think).  Wilkin will probably get one or two games as well and rightly so.  I'd be disappointed if Gardner got banned because it looked like fairly standard contact (though I haven't watched it back).

 

All in all a rather bad day as far as discipline goes.

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I would imagine Meli won't be banned for a while, dislocated elbow by all accounts. I've not seen it often but would a ban start from when he is medically passed fit to play?

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I would imagine Meli won't be banned for a while, dislocated elbow by all accounts. I've not seen it often but would a ban start from when he is medically passed fit to play?

Nope - he'll probably get 4 matches and be out for around 10 with an injury anyway.

 

Personally I'd be looking at the maximum ban possible, it really was a sickening tackle. 

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Nope - he'll probably get 4 matches and be out for around 10 with an injury anyway.

 

Personally I'd be looking at the maximum ban possible, it really was a sickening tackle. 

I think he should serve his ban when he's fit to play. Otherwise it isn't a ban!

 

Without wanting to rake over old ground, I think the stall was set with the ban handed out for Chase on Ropati...

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I think he should serve his ban when he's fit to play. Otherwise it isn't a ban!

 

Without wanting to rake over old ground, I think the stall was set with the ban handed out for Chase on Ropati...

Well then he just gets declared fit to play 4 weeks earlier

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Well then he just gets declared fit to play 4 weeks earlier

Yeah even I saw that outcome, but it's better than nowt.

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I think the only way that could work would be to have the disciplinary hearing in the week after his next appearance.

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If the RFL show some balls then Saints could be missing quite a few for the next game. Walmsley is in trouble for a crusher tackle on Welham near the end of the game. Wilkin was at it all game and could be pulled for any number of incidents. Gardner on Welham with the shoulder, Turner with the shoulder. And of course the daddy of them all Meli with his 1980's style "tackle" on Hall.

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I wouldn't bring Wembley '83 up as examples of foul play if I were you.

 

Terry Hudson kicking Kevin Harkin in the head was far worse than anything Paul Rose ever did.

 

You could argue that Hudson was going for the ball  - I don't say he was but you could argue that - there's absolutely no doubt what Rose was going for. Gilbert was never the same player again after that tackle.

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If the RFL show some balls then Saints could be missing quite a few for the next game. Walmsley is in trouble for a crusher tackle on Welham near the end of the game. Wilkin was at it all game and could be pulled for any number of incidents. Gardner on Welham with the shoulder, Turner with the shoulder. And of course the daddy of them all Meli with his 1980's style "tackle" on Hall.

Walmsley isn't in trouble for anything and nor is Turner.  Turner was penalised for his shoulder charge which wasn't one to the head.

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A rule is a rule, of course. With Wilkin being put on Report, why then did Gardner and Turner commit the same offence? The players need a good lecture.

Because when you want to really line someone up and hit them hard its the natural thing to do. It's the same reason why RU a game that has always banned the shoulder charge still has players every now and then using them.

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Don't want to turn this into a shoulder charge debate but the ironic thing for me (do they do irony in Australia?) was that the build up VT for the Auz v NZ game showed a number of big hits in an effort to big up the game, 90% of them were shoulder charges.

It would be more sensible to ban players who shoulder charge to the head, make the ban significant so as to encourage better technique. You can liken it to the spear tackle. When it was legal, it was simply hands down the most dangerous tackle in the game. The comparison would be to prevent anyone lifting an attacker off his feet, but that simply wouldn't be practical.....you can still seriously injure a player by picking him up and dumping them on their back, but that's still allowed, why? Because its part of the game. Legal shoulder charges are part of the game and are necessary in some instances - a winger the size of Ryan Hall rampaging down the wing to squeeze in at the corner and Tomkins comes across and shoulder charges him into touch by the corner flag....should that be a penalty try? You would have to say yes as in such an instance a traditional tackle by Tomkins on a guy twice his size would be ineffective. Crazy rule.

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Because when you want to really line someone up and hit them hard its the natural thing to do. It's the same reason why RU a game that has always banned the shoulder charge still has players every now and then using them.

 

But surly after one offence being put on Report then other players should heed the warning!

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IMO Wilkin gets away with a lot of stuff other players get canned for.  If Meli doesn't stiff arm Hall it's game over anyway.  One of the worst stiff arms I've seen - reminiscent of Paul Rose on Johnnie Gilbert at Wembley in '83.

How do you come to that conclusion?

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Walmsley isn't in trouble for anything and nor is Turner.  Turner was penalised for his shoulder charge which wasn't one to the head.

Obviously they are not interested in crusher tackles anymore, what Walmsley did would have got a 1 to 2 match ban a year ago. Suppose it is fair enough Turner getting away with it, it wasn't that bad.

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Obviously they are not interested in crusher tackles anymore, what Walmsley did would have got a 1 to 2 match ban a year ago. Suppose it is fair enough Turner getting away with it, it wasn't that bad.

I didn't see Walmsley make a crusher tackle and Turner didn't get away with it: he was penalised. 

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