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Peacock shows support for two tens

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I think there are too many changes in RL. Why not stick with what we have?

 

Only maybe bring back the 50% rule on the salary cap and then maybe clubs wouldn't go bust.

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Franchising was the change, so go back to pre franchising but 2x10's would be my preference

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Totally agree with what Jamie has written. Time to freshen things up and stop hobbling ambition.

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Why stop at 2 league of 10? why not go the whole hog and have 4 leagues of 10 and 1 or 2 up 1 or 2 down thoughout the tiers provided you meet specific ground requirements, make it a sport again rather than a business.

 

Always makes me laugh that as it stands an Oldham Rugby Union an amaetur team in the 10th tier provided they were good enough could get promoted to the Premiership but Oldham Rugby League no matter how good they may get one day couldnt get back in Super League.

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1. Always makes me laugh that as it stands an Oldham Rugby Union an amaetur team in the 10th tier provided they were good enough could get promoted to the Premiership but Oldham Rugby League no matter how good they may get one day couldnt get back in Super League.

2. Why stop at 2 league of 10? why not go the whole hog and have 4 leagues of 10 and 1 or 2 up 1 or 2 down thoughout the tiers provided you meet specific ground requirements, make it a sport again rather than a business.

1. That's not the case at the moment is it? If Someone has the millions (the guy at Cardiff City has put in £60,000,000 so far) Oldham would be in Superleague. I seem to remember going to Boundary park to watch them in SL 1996 against Cas. The only problem oldham have is they are skint.

2. I'm sure they will organise leagues below, but your again assuming that you just throw in P & R and everything will be wonderful.

Put the ten richest clubs in Superleague, on £2,000,000 salary cap and £6,000,000 turnovers, and you then have what in the second tier??

You have clubs on £300K salary cap and £900,000 turnovers.

The gap your ignoring is totally immense financially.

It's not between the premiership and the championship in soccer is it because the guy leading Cardiff and the guy leading QPR and others in the same area are rich people so there's an even competition for getting promoted or avoiding being relegated.

It's NOT soccer mate......

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Peacock needs to relax a bit if he's feeling like that.

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Peacock needs to relax a bit if he's feeling like that.

Get.

 

Out.

 

:rolleyes:

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What you must remember. The more money you give to a team, the more they are allowed to go into debt. Parksider said put the ten richest clubs in Super League on a £2m cap. If you said put the ten richest clubs in the league on a £2m cap, the league would be turned on its head, as even Oldham's debts are probably less than most SL clubs. That makes them richer than the SL clubs.

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I guess playing less games and Sky having a reduced number of fixtures to broadcast, players who are advocating such measures would be happy to take a pay cut.

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I guess playing less games and Sky having a reduced number of fixtures to broadcast, players who are advocating such measures would be happy to take a pay cut.

Nowhere in his proposal does it mention reducing the number of games and Sky broadcasting fewer games (apologies if I missed that point).

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Nowhere in his proposal does it mention reducing the number of games and Sky broadcasting fewer games (apologies if I missed that point).

Unless his proposals are for top fight teams to play selected clubs for the 8 games they need to make 27 rounds instead of 19 (assuming the ridiculous Magic weekend should survive the cull) then it stands to reason there will be less games.

In itself playing teams a third time in the season became tedious and often drew smaller crowds as the games became saturated. Given Peacock has moaned about the number of games the players play I doubt he wants to see that happen again.

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... and by that bloggers own admittance this season could see one of 7 teams win SL, 50% of the league are capable of winning the big one. Seems ok by me.

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Yes,reduce it to 10 Clubs,kick out say,Cas,London,Hull K.R.plus a.n.o.,don't allow in Toulouse,Featherstone,Halifax etc,then after say 3/4 seasons when Widnes or Salford have finished bottom a couple of times and the owner decides to pull out,no doubt some bright spark will suggest an 8 team league!

 

Anyone thinking Sky will pay the same money or more,for a 10 team league,as opposed to 14 teams is clueless.MM will disappear.All that will happen,is that the same players will be paid a bit more,the team finishing top/Grand Final will just about break even and the team at the bottom will be losing money.

 

Peacock is a good player,could be a decent administator,but I would hate him to be running my finances.

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Unless his proposals are for top fight teams to play selected clubs for the 8 games they need to make 27 rounds instead of 19 (assuming the ridiculous Magic weekend should survive the cull) then it stands to reason there will be less games.

In itself playing teams a third time in the season became tedious and often drew smaller crowds as the games became saturated. Given Peacock has moaned about the number of games the players play I doubt he wants to see that happen again.

Fixtures can be arranged however we want to get the required number of fixtures.

 

You may be right about a reduction in crowds for the third fixture, but I suspect a third Wigan v Saints game would get more than a Wigan game v 14th ranked team.

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Yes,reduce it to 10 Clubs,kick out say,Cas,London,Hull K.R.plus a.n.o.,don't allow in Toulouse,Featherstone,Halifax etc,then after say 3/4 seasons when Widnes or Salford have finished bottom a couple of times and the owner decides to pull out,no doubt some bright spark will suggest an 8 team league!

 

Anyone thinking Sky will pay the same money or more,for a 10 team league,as opposed to 14 teams is clueless.

Peacock is a good player,could be a decent administator,but I would hate him to be running my finances.

I don't think that Peacock is actually saying SKY will pay more at all.

He is not saying SL1 clubs WILL spend £20,000,000 in wages.

He is not saying SL2 clubs WILL spend £10,000,000 in wages

and nor is he saying that the current SKY annual payment of £16,800,000 will be split between 20 clubs.If that happened then top clubs would be being asked to spend £350K more yet they would be given £280,000 less. Peacock is talking about these top ten being armed to pay salaries to keep our best players.

To create an Elite and to raise wages where the SKY contract may not produce the extra money you have to give the 10 clubs in SL1 £1,680,000 each. They get all the money and the extra £480,000 will enable these clubs to spend £2,000,000 keep more of our best players and all without having to find another penny.

That gives you the Elite league with the stars and the high wages.

One has to be clueless to think SKY is going to give a penny to a second division.

Now you have outlined the usual moan about reducing from 16 to 14 to 12 to 10 in that if you start that you'll end up with 8 then 6 then collapse. I just think that's not a reasonable argument.

And the formation of a second tier will provide I would guess clubs like, HKR, London, Cas, Widnes, Halifax, Featherstone, Leigh, Sheffield, Toulouse somewhere to compete for a Superleague place away from the dual registered clubs who have given up on Superleague.

Peacock sets them a £1,000,000 cap only. He doesn't say SKY will subsidise them, why would they as they only subsidise an Elite League.

So you can pick out who in "SL2" would be chasing that promo spot - It'd be Toulouse with their alleged municipal funding, or Mr. O'Connor at Widnes or Mr. Nahaboo. Clubs which provide you with the answer to the question what if someone goes bust in SL.

This is how I see the finances working, it makes the most sense in terms of how these people operate....

Apologies to Hindle X111 for not saying all that in two sentences.

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Apologies to Hindle X111 for not saying all that in two sentences.

Keep trying. Never give in.

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Why do you think it's not a reasonable argument to suggest that a ten team league will decline to 8 or less.

Who are your top ten. I can find 6 top teams to whit,Wigan, Leeds, Hull, Warrington, Catalans, St Helens.

The other four are going to come from Bradford, Huddersfield, Salford, Wakefield. Widnes. All are investor financed problems or can't achieve the the magical 10,000 average.

If they get hammered because they can't compete with the big 6 or when, not if, their investor gets disillusioned and quits, they will go belly up and you will be left with your even smaller rump league of the big six. Where are all thses teams for the top tier coming fron outside the usual suspets already in the cat bird seat.

I think it is quite reasonable if not probable that your magic cure all super ten will quite likely contract .

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Why do you think it's not a reasonable argument to suggest that a ten team league will decline to 8 or less.

Read peacock, read the post. The purpose of a second divsion is to have clubs in line to replace failures.

So how is an elite 10 club league going to drop to 8 if there's another 10 clubs under it?

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5 years ago the 2 tens was a viable option , however 5 years of licencing has further opened up the gap to make it unworkable , much as it hurts to say it , SL 2 or whatever you call it , would quickly erode into the Championship as it currently is

 

Oh , and Peacock should stick to playing RL , not commenting about it , especially the business side of things , the last thing RL needs as its future administrators is ex RL players

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5 years ago the 2 tens was a viable option , however 5 years of licencing has further opened up the gap to make it unworkable , much as it hurts to say it , SL 2 or whatever you call it , would quickly erode into the Championship as it currently is

The gap was massive five years ago. I agree the SL2 would erode into a championship apart from the top few clubs but that's all SL1 needs.

What this championship will be like I dunno. Will the top couple of clubs be headed by rich men prepared to spend a million on players so they can get promoted? If not will the gap become wider still.

It could all go 'orribly wrong. Something Jamie P. aknowledges.

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