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Calder, it is time?

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Too parochial ehbandit. We need to merge all northern teams into one north team, and then fill up the other 9 spots in the SL with teams from France, Wales and London.

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Especially if Cas nick our coach and the bitterness is renewed . Cas would have to get rid of Chase too!

Who says RL fans are blinkered eh??

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Too parochial ehbandit. We need to merge all northern teams into one north team, and then fill up the other 9 spots in the SL with teams from France, Wales and London.

good idea! that team has the potential to get a good crowd of 10,000! haha

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Too parochial ehbandit. We need to merge all northern teams into one north team, and then fill up the other 9 spots in the SL with teams from France, Wales and London.

What not just merge all clubs and play under the banner of England/Britain. Then they could play teams around the world. Its a sure fire way to attract massive crowds and prestigious sponsors to the game. We could even invite other teams to come over and play in a knockout competition. With the potential of 60m supporters we'd have no trouble selling such a tournament out.

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There's only one of the three clubs that is certain to have a SL ground and that's Fev. Not wishful thinking, It's happening right now.

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As you said, Wakefield may rise to dominance, but how big a club can they be?

 

Massive!

 

If Wakefield get it right they can rival any club in the game as they did in the 50s & especially the 60s when they were the number 1 club in the world.

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Population of Leeds ~750,000

Population of Bradford ~ 530,000

Population of Kirklees ~ 420,000

Population of Calderdale ~ 200,000

Population of Wakefield ~ 320,00

 

Wakefield has no chance os supporting three Superleague clubs. It will, in the long term, struggle to support one.

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Population of Leeds ~750,000

Population of Bradford ~ 530,000

Population of Kirklees ~ 420,000

Population of Calderdale ~ 200,000

Population of Wakefield ~ 320,00

 

Wakefield has no chance os supporting three Superleague clubs. It will, in the long term, struggle to support one.

RL is strong in the region and there's no direct soccer competition, so I'm sure you appreciate it's not just about populations. Wakefield crowds are approaching 10,000 and both Hull and wire got big boosts with new stadiums so I'm not sure there's any evidence they would struggle to support one club?

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Population of Wigan = 81,203

Population of Wigan Borough 318,100

 

In time Wigan will struggle to support a SL team

:dry:

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Population of Leeds ~750,000

Population of Bradford ~ 530,000

Population of Kirklees ~ 420,000

Population of Calderdale ~ 200,000

Population of Wakefield ~ 320,00

 

Wakefield has no chance os supporting three Superleague clubs. It will, in the long term, struggle to support one.

 

Leeds- big soccer club

Bradford- soccer club bigger tha the Bulls.

Kirkless- soccer club bigger than the Giants

Calderdale- no soccer club.

Many more fans available to the Calderdale clubs than in those aea with soccer competition. So if 530,000 fans in Bradford can support the Bulls and City, then a combined 520,000 fans in Calderdale/Wakefield combined should, at the very least be able to support two SL clubs and the catchment area for both Cas and Fev extends beyond the Calderdale boundary, so all three might be possible.

At the outset of SL, Wakefield were in Div 2 on crowds of 1,500, Fev got dumped from the top tier and Cas were on around 5,000 at a guess.

Who would have then predicted that today, Wakefield are on 7 to 8 thousand, Cas, even in this bad period, are on 5 to 7,000 and Fev are on 2,000 plus.

Even by my, admittedly rough guess figures, the support for RL in Calderdale has doubled since the start of SL.

I don't see why, especially with new stadia at Fev and Wakefield, this upsurge of support for RL in Calder cannot continue and that two or even three SL teams cannot emerge in the area. Sometimes the phrase " throwing the baby out with the bathwater" seems to be a perfect fit foe these self centred, internecine merger fantasies.

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If Wakefield get the new ground IMO this will see them rise to be the biggest club in the area. It'll make them so much more attractive than the clubs around them. A club with increasing crowds in a brand new stadium will mean that between themselves, Cas and Fev that they'll likely be the first choice for fans, sponsors and young players, hence they'll rise as a club and begin dominating Cas and Fev like Leeds did to Hunslet ect.

 

Fair enough Leeds have over twice the population as the Calder area but they've got to compete with other sports teams. What do Wakefield have to compete with currently apart from Cas and Fev.

 

A club on the up, a new stadium, a decent size catchment area, an area which produces a hell of a lot of RL talent and is the most popular sport in the stadium and already getting 8 - 9k fans a season. How isn't that a recipe for success?

 

Most important word of my post though is the first one though.

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Leeds- big soccer club

Bradford- soccer club bigger tha the Bulls.

Kirkless- soccer club bigger than the Giants

Calderdale- no soccer club.

Many more fans available to the Calderdale clubs than in those aea with soccer competition. So if 530,000 fans in Bradford can support the Bulls and City, then a combined 520,000 fans in Calderdale/Wakefield combined should, at the very least be able to support two SL clubs and the catchment area for both Cas and Fev extends beyond the Calderdale boundary, so all three might be possible.

At the outset of SL, Wakefield were in Div 2 on crowds of 1,500, Fev got dumped from the top tier and Cas were on around 5,000 at a guess.

Who would have then predicted that today, Wakefield are on 7 to 8 thousand, Cas, even in this bad period, are on 5 to 7,000 and Fev are on 2,000 plus.

Even by my, admittedly rough guess figures, the support for RL in Calderdale has doubled since the start of SL.

I don't see why, especially with new stadia at Fev and Wakefield, this upsurge of support for RL in Calder cannot continue and that two or even three SL teams cannot emerge in the area. Sometimes the phrase " throwing the baby out with the bathwater" seems to be a perfect fit foe these self centred, internecine merger fantasies.

I think the poster was referring to the population of Calderdale (Halifax, Elland, Brighouse, Sowerby Bridge, Todmorden, Hebden Bridge etc)

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Population of Wigan = 81,203

Population of Wigan Borough 318,100

 

In time Wigan will struggle to support a SL team

:dry:

 

 

Preston, Blackburn, Bolton and Chorley are big nearby towns without a pro RL team.

 

Wigan is also in Greater Manchester.

 

I would guess that the club has a potential spectator footprint, in total, of well over 1 million people.

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Preston, Blackburn, Bolton and Chorley are big nearby towns without a pro RL team.

 

Wigan is also in Greater Manchester.

 

I would guess that the club has a potential spectator footprint, in total, of well over 1 million people.

 

 

Preston, Blackburn, Bolton  Manchester have some of the UKs and indeed the Worlds largest football teams as well.

 

If we're talking surrounding areas then Wakefield could conceivably move into Barnslay with a further population of 80,000.

 

Hell if we're speculating Wakefield could move into Dewsbury, Leeds, Pontefract or anywhere but I'm being unrealistic now!

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support and interest in sports clubs soccer especially goes beyond the boundaries of where they play. Leeds United are a major example. In essence they are West Yorkshire's club and draw support and sponsorship from there and well beyond.

 

For clubs like Featherstone to increase their attendances significantly they need to attract interest from well beyond their immedeiate vicinities and I don't mean the villages up the road: a sort of microcosm of the Green Bay Packers. This would be a major task even if the club attempted to address it-and that's no disrespect to their excellent commercial department and would be or would have to be a major turnaround in the club's ethos

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Wakefield don't need mergers ATM, and TBF if they can generate some real success on the field they could be back to the sixties where they were attracting fans from places like Cudworth, Brierley, Ryhill, Mapplewell and Barugh Green etc - in other words Barnsley.

Mergers need to be handled very carefully. Top down mergers "we're having a merger you can either like it or lump it" won't work. Ask the regional Wales RU sides.  They are losing players wholesale to London and France because their structures are not attracting the crowds to support their merged clubs.  If mergers are first on the agenda, perhaps consulting the fans of the clubs to be merged could be the second item and not shoved somehwhere below AOB!

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Calder must be a Wakefield stand alone venture - why?  Simple, it'sthe only one of the three actally on the Calder. Cas is on the Aire, adn Fev is on the railway. ;)

Seriously, if a neutral site for a stadium could be found and if the fans of both clubs could agree I could see a Cas/Fev club having a chance.  Sykehouse United?

Sykehouse belongs to Moorends :)

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What's the point of merging the teams. It would just upset people, and if one team in the WMDC area is the sensible option, it's going to happen anyway. Cas are almost certain to be axed from SL, and Fev will never get promoted. Wakefield are te only club in the area that has a SL future (and it looks to be a bright one too). Thus a merger is unnecessary.

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Is it time? was the original question, Give it time is the answer. Eventually there will be one team at the top level from that area. Once they emerge the others can settle for being what they are.

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Is it time? was the original question, Give it time is the answer. Eventually there will be one team at the top level from that area. Once they emerge the others can settle for being what they are.

Which is ?

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Yes...

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No-one would watch Calder - they would become the London Broncos of the north and end up being hated by fans of other clubs.

It seems people who propose Calder are almost always not a fan of one of the clubs involved.

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Which is ?

Whoever.

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