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Calder, it is time?

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There are 12 pages on here but I would still ask why? What is the benefit.

The benefit of mergers is theoretical only at this point.

In that if RL has a possible 160,000 paying fans, and if you give them only 10 clubs to support all based on a region or a big city like Cheshire, Bradhuddersfax, London. Wigan Met, Calder, Humberside it is in theory possible you may end up possibly instantaneously with 10 clubs on 16,000 crowds.

Big profits and salaries all round.

The discussion aims to work out the chances of this happening, and I think the vast majority of posters to this thread think the chances are close to zero. But Mr. Keen still has the opportunity to rescue the debate.

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I have to say, on the point of sponsors, don't you think we should be looking for main sponsors of our clubs to be from market leaders in a business sector? Isn't that what we are aiming at through putting the game on TV?

If we only want to aim for local benefactors to back our sport, then why televise the game at all? This is a particular irk of mine. Often people criticise the league for not attracting big sponsors, but the clubs themselves devalue the competition by failing to realise the true value which skysport provides.

Returning to the original question, it's where do we want to be at the top level if our sport, do we want the multinational superleague which created such hype when it was proposed back in the 90s, or are we happy to stay as we are and hope the growth of so many other sports, especially after such a successful Olympics, does not affect us?

I don't know, I think that SKY money in a deal where RFL supply an Elite League for TV, and SKY supply tens of millions of pounds was the main point.

After that I suppose the clubs may have dreamed of carrying national sponsors on their shirts, Hovis, Tetleys, Co-op, Tesco, Carlsberg, etc etc. Maybe that's only for clubs who are on TV proper and not hidden away on a subscription channel.

I also think clubs will take sponsors at every level, from British Aerospace to Mr & Mrs Jones who sponsor Kevin Sinfield's half time orange.

I'm sure we want the multinational superleage too, can't afford to stand still in business, it's a matter of getting there.

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The question posed is what's best for the game, and there are differing views.

If it was cas v Wakefield in a competition outside superleague, I imagine it would still draw a crowd, if feisal nahaboo was offered superleague tomorrow provided he financially backed it, would he? I tend to think so

I just wonder, no I actually think that for the game to really prosper Into the competition it aimed to be, we need to look at where we want to be and act, in saying that, I think we can preserve the history and move to the future, it must be better than 3 clubs strangling each other in a pitfight, or am I hopelessly optimistic on this one?

Hmmm can't find any Cas.v.Wakefield crowds outside top division ones.

In 1987/8 Fev and Wakefield were chasing promotion and the two crowds were 3,500 at Fev and 4,300 at Wakey.

Your not hopelessly optimistic.there is a chance IMHO the ten club proposal may come off and tose clubs strangling each other be separated. 2015 will be ultra fascinating.

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Please get real Keeny.

This "Calder" club cannot happen until 2015 by which time Chase and Clark will be gone.

By 2015 2,500 Fev fans will be lining up for Superleague at last. Do you really think they will back Calder under those circumstances. Again get real. Let's debate rugby League not fantasy Rugby league.

Mr. Glover is the leading light at Wakefield and he must be looking forward to putting well over the current 8,000 into Newmarket and kicking on from there.

Do you want to write to him and ask him if he's going to abandon that and set up a Calder club there?? Shall I write and ask??

What do you think 8,000 Wakefield Trinity fans would say if told 2015 will be Calder United??

With the shaky prospect of whether this will work or not which big name players will the club sign with whose money??

Or will players decide there's a more secure salary and future going to Hull and Leeds as ussual. How is a club that many locals will have a massive animosity to be attractive to the next Darryl Clark??

When you intimate that people are sympathetic to the idea on this thread, how many exactly and out of those who will go??

you say "The combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses".

On what evidence? Surely the main sponsors of all three clubs are fans of those clubs. Have you checked if they are for a Calder United because I bet they are not.

You are a very naughty boy pitching for a Calder United yet telling us all is OK in Hull, Rovers just need to work out how to get 15,000 crowds.

Parky, that's one of the best posts I've ever read.

Summed up the situation perfectly, it's a shame that serial fantasists like DSK can't see sense.

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When it comes to mergers I think all rugby league clubs should merge into one great big super club and play with ourselves!

Or maybe not. ;-)

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I note that this "go ahead" Wakefield side you're all raving about just signed their 19 year-old Academy star as a result of the "1873 Club" - a deal that sees fans pay £2 a week to pay young players' wages.

This is all getting a bit embarrassing now isn't it?

Do we bite the bullet now or in 5 years time?

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Please get real Keeny.

This "Calder" club cannot happen until 2015 by which time Chase and Clark will be gone.

By 2015 2,500 Fev fans will be lining up for Superleague at last. Do you really think they will back Calder under those circumstances. Again get real. Let's debate rugby League not fantasy Rugby league.

Mr. Glover is the leading light at Wakefield and he must be looking forward to putting well over the current 8,000 into Newmarket and kicking on from there.

Do you want to write to him and ask him if he's going to abandon that and set up a Calder club there?? Shall I write and ask??

What do you think 8,000 Wakefield Trinity fans would say if told 2015 will be Calder United??

With the shaky prospect of whether this will work or not which big name players will the club sign with whose money??

Or will players decide there's a more secure salary and future going to Hull and Leeds as ussual. How is a club that many locals will have a massive animosity to be attractive to the next Darryl Clark??

When you intimate that people are sympathetic to the idea on this thread, how many exactly and out of those who will go??

you say "The combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses".

On what evidence? Surely the main sponsors of all three clubs are fans of those clubs. Have you checked if they are for a Calder United because I bet they are not.

You are a very naughty boy pitching for a Calder United yet telling us all is OK in Hull, Rovers just need to work out how to get 15,000 crowds.

Has anyone asked Chase and Clark if they would fancy being poster boys for a bright new club with a genuine future? It's ridiculous to think that even the most hot-headed merger opponent would display animosity to any players. I think both players would relish the role, only because I know I would in their shoes. I'd certainly favour it to wasting another second of my career at a perennial underdog who could go bust at any given moment.

The alternative, of course, is losing them to the region altogether, which is merely a matter of time if the current Calder mess is allowed to continue.

Calder reaps what it sows.

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None of this changes the facts of life. There is just not the money, the players, the support, the facilities, the sponsors etc to support more than one SL club in the Wakefordstone area.

The current situation, where one SL wanabee club is flexing it's muscles in a bid to join the big boys, is good for that club and it's loyal fans and will no doubt spur the other two on.

However, such family squabbling will do no club any good in the long term and will sentence all three to continue as SLs perpetual under achievers.

Ok, so the clubs won't merge of their own volition. But in the end, one will become dominant, the 'bettsr dead than red ' brigade will be extinct and there will be just one SL club in the area. And that club could be a really competitive one, a winner, something the fans have deserved for a long long time.

Meanwhile, a lot of people will have lost a lot of money in a pointless family squabble. The enemy is at the gates, but the embattled occupants still fight amongst themselves.

In the end, it's not the RFL, it's not SL, it's not the BODs, it's not even the fans that will decide the outcome. It is inevitable

Very well put sir.

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I note that this "go ahead" Wakefield side you're all raving about just signed their 19 year-old Academy star as a result of the "1873 Club" - a deal that sees fans pay £2 a week to pay young players' wages.

This is all getting a bit embarrassing now isn't it?

Wakefield have just come out of financial collapse this last year or so.

Wakefield are still to sort out their new ground that has the facilities to increase the crowd and the take per head.

Wakefield are still rebuilding their team.

On all three counts they are making progress. If they get the lone gig in a new smaller Super League that will help them progress even further.

Good business practice is to plan, take only calculated risks, work hard towards the goals, and not expect any great results for at least five years.

If you think that what you have presented to me (very little) is justification for jumping in with both feet on a massive gamble, then it simply is not. That's IMHO - anyone agree with me or not??

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Has anyone asked Chase and Clark if they would fancy being poster boys for a bright new club with a genuine future? It's ridiculous to think that even the most hot-headed merger opponent would display animosity to any players. I think both players would relish the role, only because I know I would in their shoes. I'd certainly favour it to wasting another second of my career at a perennial underdog who could go bust at any given moment.

Your not making any sense now and TBF you usually do.

Chase can't get a transfer to another English club which Calder United would be, and he's got a deal back in the NRL.

Clarke knows he's been touted as another Roby, and has the chance to go to the games richest club who are winning cups.

Do you really believe these two would stay at Castleford (when the club want them out)on the idea a "Calder United" may happen in 2015.

With respect Calder United exists only in your head.

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Very well put sir.

I think when John said "Ok, so the clubs won't merge of their own volition. But in the end, one will become dominant, the 'better dead than red ' brigade will be extinct and there will be just one SL club in the area. And that club could be a really competitive one, a winner, something the fans have deserved for a long long time" it was very well put.

But (and I seek clarity Mr. M.) I took that as suggesting one existing club eventually dominating would be the key and not a three way merger?

Perhaps we now agree??

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Their is only one club in our area that is struggling at this present time and we all know who that is. Featherstone rovers is my team and we've been in the championship leagues ever since they started and we have had our fair share of ups and downs especially the downs. Our club as never been better run than it is today even when we were in the old top flight. We may never get the chance of top flight rugby who knows but I've watched my team on its hands and knees playing in the champ one with only die hards turning up to watch. What I'm trying to say is I would rather watch featherstone rovers no matter how good or bad we are than a so called Calder team. My club is on the up for the first time in a long time and the people behind this are/have done/doing a great job and most of you are suggesting to throw all this hard work away and form a Calder team that would have an average attendance of 3k at the very best? CALDER WOULD NEVER WORK get it into your heads. It was suggested when SL first came on the scene and look what happened then. No person who supports Cas Fev and wakey want it so its dead in the water before it starts.

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My club is on the up for the first time in a long time and the people behind this are/have done/doing a great job and most of you are suggesting to throw all this hard work away and form a Calder team that would have an average attendance of 3k at the very best?

Where do "most of us" suggest that Gaz??

I certainly don't and Mr. Keen seems to be in the absolute minority.

The better proposal seems to be one Calder club in Superleague.

Having said that not necessarily Wakefield at all.

As you say your club are in the mix.

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Where do "most of us" suggest that Gaz??

I certainly don't and Mr. K seems to be in the absolute minority.

The better proposal seems to be one Calder club in Superleague.

Having said that not necessarily Wakefield at all.

As you say your club are in the mix.

 

Winston Churchill was warning of the dangers of the new germany in the 1920 s and 30 s. he was a lone voice crying in th wilderness. he was laughed and for his views.

 

In hindsight, was he wrong.? we all know the answer to that.

 

The fact that most people have been sucked into the view that one club for the wakefield area is the way to go sggests a culture of jumping on the bandwaggon and siding with the power structure of the game. it's always the easier route to follow.

 

It does not make it right or correct. At one time everyione sided with the one universal church's view that the earth was flat.

 

Following the prevailing wisdom is not always proven to be the correct course.

 

I don't think it is the correct one here.

 

I think Wakfield could well achieve a 10,000 average. I think Castleford, given financing and a suitable resolution to their ground problems could get to the 8,000 level and Fev could reach 5,000 and maybe better.

 

Why would these clubs be destroyed to put a team in SL which would struggle to get more than 10,000. Let the scenario play out and see what happens.

 

This rush to regression with a view to some Super Super Super league of 10 teams being the saviour of the whole game of RL is a fantasy.

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I think Wakfield could well achieve a 10,000 average. I think Castleford, given financing and a suitable resolution to their ground problems could get to the 8,000 level and Fev could reach 5,000 and maybe better.

 

Why would these clubs be destroyed to put a team in SL which would struggle to get more than 10,000. Let the scenario play out and see what happens.

 

This rush to regression with a view to some Super Super Super league of 10 teams being the saviour of the whole game of RL is a fantasy.

Can we leave Churchill, Germany and Flat Earth out of the debate.

A reduction in Superleague cannot be claimed to be a "fantasy" if club chairmen,CEO's and top players are talking about it, and the usually careful RL press are reporting a likely drop in Superleague numbers. On Monday League weekly spoke of "Superleague mooted for a reduction in clubs 2015".

I can accept 10 clubs may VERY well not be the "saviour" but as the 14 club league sees chairmen withdraw support at castleford and HKR and possibly Widnes, and Hughes is also heavily tipped to pack it in then we are already seeing clubs "destroyed" as superleague clubs. 14 clubs isn't the saviour in the here and now.

The scenario will play out as you say, but I at least reserve the right to talk about the situation as it stands rather than what you suggest which is say nothing because Castleford may get "funding" and a "resolution to their ground problem".

"Ssssshhhhhh a rich man may just appear", approach to debate isn't for me.

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Good afternoon all. I thought I'd wade in to this one.

 

I don't live in Wakefield, Featherstone or Castleford. I live in the Midlands and have done for a number of years. I lived in Wakefield for the first 25 years of my life, and I am a Wakefield Trinity supporter.

 

During that time I had no reason to visit either Castleford or Featherstone, unless it was to watch or play Rugby League. I'll centre my point on Castleford more than Featherstone from herein, I doubt very much whether anyone from Castleford visits Wakefield too often unless it's for administrative reasons, maybe attend Wakefield College for a couple of years or very occasionally to go to the shops (unless their work takes them there of course). People from Castleford will surely be far more likely to go in to Leeds, it's bigger and probably more convenient for them to do so. If Cas are to merge, why would it not be with Leeds? Clearly that's silly, but there's more of a link there than there is between Cas and Wakefield. Please note that the Ski-slope at Castleford is called Xscape Leeds, not Xscape Castleford, or Xscape Wakefield MDC.

 

Castleford is part of Wakefield MDC, but I think that this is only since a bizarre boundary change decision in the 1970s. There is not only a significant distance and wide open green spaces between the two places, but culturally they are miles apart. There is little or no interaction between the places, Cas has enough infrastructure for people to do the family shop, get their entertainment etc to stand alone – not from Wakefield but as a stand alone town it it's own right. It has little to attract others to the town from Wakefield, and that is said with no disrespect at all, but Wakefield is a bigger place with it's own amenities in easier reach of other centres of population that the stop/start A-Road to Cas. 

 

Featherstone Rovers are fiercely independent. They are in a way a model to follow, their sons and daughters move away and still flock home and are still Featherstone people when it comes to Rugby League. Other clubs need to tap into this, and discover what breeds the loyalty. Featherstone is a bit of an enigma, it's a very small bordered on the historic but ultimately small town of Pontefract but yet it still supports a professional side - one that is growing in what are tough times. I would think that people from Featherstone have more reason to visit Wakefield, or indeed Castleford as part of their weekly lives, but to suggest that they should be swallowed up by a Calder team is daft as any link to those centres of population is I suspect functional rather than through any cultural sense of belonging. 

 

I wouldn't dream of commenting that St Helens, Wigan, Leigh should form one team as I have no concept of the culture and links between the places, the same applies for Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton and Salford. I also have no view on what the land between the sites is like, and it's suitability to be the home of a new stadium, but I see that isn't a barrier for people from outside of Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford to write some wasted words based on ignorance.  If it's good enough for Barrie Mac on Sky then why not for posters on here?

 

Long live Wakefield Trinity, Featherstone Rovers and Castleford. I can think of no circumstances where a merged entity could garner support and be a success. However it's worth noting that in Wakefield's darkest hour shareholders did vote to consider a merger, a point somehow missed in all these pages of nonsense.

 

Finally to address the point that the “entrenched views” that are held by people supporting the three existing clubs are not the future support of the game, then think on. My son loves Wakefield Trinity, I took him to one game and he's talked about nothing else since. I purposely didn't buy him a kit at first to brand him a supporter, but he loved the singing, the noise and the action. Much to my disappointment he loved Daddy Cool the Wakefield mascot. He was made very welcome at the club, as he always is at Coventry Bears, Leicester Storm, and most recently at NEW Ravens when I took him to see the World Cup.  Why would we want to take away any of these clubs?  What happens if Coventry and Leicester get quite big - will we see a call for Hinckley to be formed?  I'm pretty sure that at four years old he's already hooked. He likes going with me, he likes going with his grandparents.  Added to this I reckon I've got about 40-50 years on this earth, so to say I'm not the future support of my club is taking a VERY long term view.

 

The argument is as tired as any I have read on here. Please stop it folks, and instead of trying to stamp the game in to the dirt, lets try and make a success of what we have and get back talking about the game itself. What's wrong with enjoying a bit of Rugby League instead of having a good old moan?

 

I'm quite pleased that I managed to write all that without mentioning carpet-bombing, asking Frank about his obsession with the bogs at Rugby League grounds, calling anyone a plank, or referring to Terry M as “mi old mate”.  I hope you're all well. Sorry for the ramble, it's been quite a while.

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Can we leave Churchill, Germany and Flat Earth out of the debate.

A reduction in Superleague cannot be claimed to be a "fantasy" if club chairmen,CEO's and top players are talking about it, and the usually careful RL press are reporting a likely drop in Superleague numbers. On Monday League weekly spoke of "Superleague mooted for a reduction in clubs 2015".

I can accept 10 clubs may VERY well not be the "saviour" but as the 14 club league sees chairmen withdraw support at castleford and HKR and possibly Widnes, and Hughes is also heavily tipped to pack it in then we are already seeing clubs "destroyed" as superleague clubs. 14 clubs isn't the saviour in the here and now.

The scenario will play out as you say, but I at least reserve the right to talk about the situation as it stands rather than what you suggest which is say nothing because Castleford may get "funding" and a "resolution to their ground problem".

"Ssssshhhhhh a rich man may just appear", approach to debate isn't for me.

 

For examples of this please see Salford, Bradford, Featherstone, Wakefield, Widnes, Warrington, Wigan, Hull, Hull KR, and London. Other than those examples, rich investors coming forward are just fantasies.

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Good afternoon all. I thought I'd wade in to this one.

 

I don't live in Wakefield, Featherstone or Castleford. I live in the Midlands and have done for a number of years. I lived in Wakefield for the first 25 years of my life, and I am a Wakefield Trinity supporter.

 

During that time I had no reason to visit either Castleford or Featherstone, unless it was to watch or play Rugby League. I'll centre my point on Castleford more than Featherstone from herein, I doubt very much whether anyone from Castleford visits Wakefield too often unless it's for administrative reasons, maybe attend Wakefield College for a couple of years or very occasionally to go to the shops (unless their work takes them there of course). People from Castleford will surely be far more likely to go in to Leeds, it's bigger and probably more convenient for them to do so. If Cas are to merge, why would it not be with Leeds? Clearly that's silly, but there's more of a link there than there is between Cas and Wakefield. Please note that the Ski-slope at Castleford is called Xscape Leeds, not Xscape Castleford, or Xscape Wakefield MDC.

 

Castleford is part of Wakefield MDC, but I think that this is only since a bizarre boundary change decision in the 1970s. There is not only a significant distance and wide open green spaces between the two places, but culturally they are miles apart. There is little or no interaction between the places, Cas has enough infrastructure for people to do the family shop, get their entertainment etc to stand alone – not from Wakefield but as a stand alone town it it's own right. It has little to attract others to the town from Wakefield, and that is said with no disrespect at all, but Wakefield is a bigger place with it's own amenities in easier reach of other centres of population that the stop/start A-Road to Cas. 

 

Featherstone Rovers are fiercely independent. They are in a way a model to follow, their sons and daughters move away and still flock home and are still Featherstone people when it comes to Rugby League. Other clubs need to tap into this, and discover what breeds the loyalty. Featherstone is a bit of an enigma, it's a very small bordered on the historic but ultimately small town of Pontefract but yet it still supports a professional side - one that is growing in what are tough times. I would think that people from Featherstone have more reason to visit Wakefield, or indeed Castleford as part of their weekly lives, but to suggest that they should be swallowed up by a Calder team is daft as any link to those centres of population is I suspect functional rather than through any cultural sense of belonging. 

 

I wouldn't dream of commenting that St Helens, Wigan, Leigh should form one team as I have no concept of the culture and links between the places, the same applies for Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton and Salford. I also have no view on what the land between the sites is like, and it's suitability to be the home of a new stadium, but I see that isn't a barrier for people from outside of Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford to write some wasted words based on ignorance.  If it's good enough for Barrie Mac on Sky then why not for posters on here?

 

Long live Wakefield Trinity, Featherstone Rovers and Castleford. I can think of no circumstances where a merged entity could garner support and be a success. However it's worth noting that in Wakefield's darkest hour shareholders did vote to consider a merger, a point somehow missed in all these pages of nonsense.

 

Finally to address the point that the “entrenched views” that are held by people supporting the three existing clubs are not the future support of the game, then think on. My son loves Wakefield Trinity, I took him to one game and he's talked about nothing else since. I purposely didn't buy him a kit at first to brand him a supporter, but he loved the singing, the noise and the action. Much to my disappointment he loved Daddy Cool the Wakefield mascot. He was made very welcome at the club, as he always is at Coventry Bears, Leicester Storm, and most recently at NEW Ravens when I took him to see the World Cup.  Why would we want to take away any of these clubs?  What happens if Coventry and Leicester get quite big - will we see a call for Hinckley to be formed?  I'm pretty sure that at four years old he's already hooked. He likes going with me, he likes going with his grandparents.  Added to this I reckon I've got about 40-50 years on this earth, so to say I'm not the future support of my club is taking a VERY long term view.

 

The argument is as tired as any I have read on here. Please stop it folks, and instead of trying to stamp the game in to the dirt, lets try and make a success of what we have and get back talking about the game itself. What's wrong with enjoying a bit of Rugby League instead of having a good old moan?

 

I'm quite pleased that I managed to write all that without mentioning carpet-bombing, asking Frank about his obsession with the bogs at Rugby League grounds, calling anyone a plank, or referring to Terry M as “mi old mate”.  I hope you're all well. Sorry for the ramble, it's been quite a while.

 

Great post. You have summed up what i have been trying to say but in a much more concise and better fashion. great post.

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Good afternoon all. I thought I'd wade in to this one.

 

I don't live in Wakefield, Featherstone or Castleford. I live in the Midlands and have done for a number of years. I lived in Wakefield for the first 25 years of my life, and I am a Wakefield Trinity supporter.

 

During that time I had no reason to visit either Castleford or Featherstone, unless it was to watch or play Rugby League. I'll centre my point on Castleford more than Featherstone from herein, I doubt very much whether anyone from Castleford visits Wakefield too often unless it's for administrative reasons, maybe attend Wakefield College for a couple of years or very occasionally to go to the shops (unless their work takes them there of course). People from Castleford will surely be far more likely to go in to Leeds, it's bigger and probably more convenient for them to do so. If Cas are to merge, why would it not be with Leeds? Clearly that's silly, but there's more of a link there than there is between Cas and Wakefield. Please note that the Ski-slope at Castleford is called Xscape Leeds, not Xscape Castleford, or Xscape Wakefield MDC.

 

Castleford is part of Wakefield MDC, but I think that this is only since a bizarre boundary change decision in the 1970s. There is not only a significant distance and wide open green spaces between the two places, but culturally they are miles apart. There is little or no interaction between the places, Cas has enough infrastructure for people to do the family shop, get their entertainment etc to stand alone – not from Wakefield but as a stand alone town it it's own right. It has little to attract others to the town from Wakefield, and that is said with no disrespect at all, but Wakefield is a bigger place with it's own amenities in easier reach of other centres of population that the stop/start A-Road to Cas. 

 

Featherstone Rovers are fiercely independent. They are in a way a model to follow, their sons and daughters move away and still flock home and are still Featherstone people when it comes to Rugby League. Other clubs need to tap into this, and discover what breeds the loyalty. Featherstone is a bit of an enigma, it's a very small bordered on the historic but ultimately small town of Pontefract but yet it still supports a professional side - one that is growing in what are tough times. I would think that people from Featherstone have more reason to visit Wakefield, or indeed Castleford as part of their weekly lives, but to suggest that they should be swallowed up by a Calder team is daft as any link to those centres of population is I suspect functional rather than through any cultural sense of belonging. 

 

I wouldn't dream of commenting that St Helens, Wigan, Leigh should form one team as I have no concept of the culture and links between the places, the same applies for Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton and Salford. I also have no view on what the land between the sites is like, and it's suitability to be the home of a new stadium, but I see that isn't a barrier for people from outside of Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford to write some wasted words based on ignorance.  If it's good enough for Barrie Mac on Sky then why not for posters on here?

 

Long live Wakefield Trinity, Featherstone Rovers and Castleford. I can think of no circumstances where a merged entity could garner support and be a success. However it's worth noting that in Wakefield's darkest hour shareholders did vote to consider a merger, a point somehow missed in all these pages of nonsense.

 

Finally to address the point that the “entrenched views” that are held by people supporting the three existing clubs are not the future support of the game, then think on. My son loves Wakefield Trinity, I took him to one game and he's talked about nothing else since. I purposely didn't buy him a kit at first to brand him a supporter, but he loved the singing, the noise and the action. Much to my disappointment he loved Daddy Cool the Wakefield mascot. He was made very welcome at the club, as he always is at Coventry Bears, Leicester Storm, and most recently at NEW Ravens when I took him to see the World Cup.  Why would we want to take away any of these clubs?  What happens if Coventry and Leicester get quite big - will we see a call for Hinckley to be formed?  I'm pretty sure that at four years old he's already hooked. He likes going with me, he likes going with his grandparents.  Added to this I reckon I've got about 40-50 years on this earth, so to say I'm not the future support of my club is taking a VERY long term view.

 

The argument is as tired as any I have read on here. Please stop it folks, and instead of trying to stamp the game in to the dirt, lets try and make a success of what we have and get back talking about the game itself. What's wrong with enjoying a bit of Rugby League instead of having a good old moan?

 

I'm quite pleased that I managed to write all that without mentioning carpet-bombing, asking Frank about his obsession with the bogs at Rugby League grounds, calling anyone a plank, or referring to Terry M as “mi old mate”.  I hope you're all well. Sorry for the ramble, it's been quite a while.

Great post Larry, a very well thought out and informed post

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Good afternoon all. I thought I'd wade in to this one.

I don't live in Wakefield, Featherstone or Castleford. I live in the Midlands and have done for a number of years. I lived in Wakefield for the first 25 years of my life, and I am a Wakefield Trinity supporter.

During that time I had no reason to visit either Castleford or Featherstone, unless it was to watch or play Rugby League. I'll centre my point on Castleford more than Featherstone from herein, I doubt very much whether anyone from Castleford visits Wakefield too often unless it's for administrative reasons, maybe attend Wakefield College for a couple of years or very occasionally to go to the shops (unless their work takes them there of course). People from Castleford will surely be far more likely to go in to Leeds, it's bigger and probably more convenient for them to do so. If Cas are to merge, why would it not be with Leeds? Clearly that's silly, but there's more of a link there than there is between Cas and Wakefield. Please note that the Ski-slope at Castleford is called Xscape Leeds, not Xscape Castleford, or Xscape Wakefield MDC.

Castleford is part of Wakefield MDC, but I think that this is only since a bizarre boundary change decision in the 1970s. There is not only a significant distance and wide open green spaces between the two places, but culturally they are miles apart. There is little or no interaction between the places, Cas has enough infrastructure for people to do the family shop, get their entertainment etc to stand alone – not from Wakefield but as a stand alone town it it's own right. It has little to attract others to the town from Wakefield, and that is said with no disrespect at all, but Wakefield is a bigger place with it's own amenities in easier reach of other centres of population that the stop/start A-Road to Cas.

Featherstone Rovers are fiercely independent. They are in a way a model to follow, their sons and daughters move away and still flock home and are still Featherstone people when it comes to Rugby League. Other clubs need to tap into this, and discover what breeds the loyalty. Featherstone is a bit of an enigma, it's a very small bordered on the historic but ultimately small town of Pontefract but yet it still supports a professional side - one that is growing in what are tough times. I would think that people from Featherstone have more reason to visit Wakefield, or indeed Castleford as part of their weekly lives, but to suggest that they should be swallowed up by a Calder team is daft as any link to those centres of population is I suspect functional rather than through any cultural sense of belonging.

I wouldn't dream of commenting that St Helens, Wigan, Leigh should form one team as I have no concept of the culture and links between the places, the same applies for Oldham, Rochdale, Swinton and Salford. I also have no view on what the land between the sites is like, and it's suitability to be the home of a new stadium, but I see that isn't a barrier for people from outside of Wakefield, Featherstone and Castleford to write some wasted words based on ignorance. If it's good enough for Barrie Mac on Sky then why not for posters on here?

Long live Wakefield Trinity, Featherstone Rovers and Castleford. I can think of no circumstances where a merged entity could garner support and be a success. However it's worth noting that in Wakefield's darkest hour shareholders did vote to consider a merger, a point somehow missed in all these pages of nonsense.

Finally to address the point that the “entrenched views” that are held by people supporting the three existing clubs are not the future support of the game, then think on. My son loves Wakefield Trinity, I took him to one game and he's talked about nothing else since. I purposely didn't buy him a kit at first to brand him a supporter, but he loved the singing, the noise and the action. Much to my disappointment he loved Daddy Cool the Wakefield mascot. He was made very welcome at the club, as he always is at Coventry Bears, Leicester Storm, and most recently at NEW Ravens when I took him to see the World Cup. Why would we want to take away any of these clubs? What happens if Coventry and Leicester get quite big - will we see a call for Hinckley to be formed? I'm pretty sure that at four years old he's already hooked. He likes going with me, he likes going with his grandparents. Added to this I reckon I've got about 40-50 years on this earth, so to say I'm not the future support of my club is taking a VERY long term view.

The argument is as tired as any I have read on here. Please stop it folks, and instead of trying to stamp the game in to the dirt, lets try and make a success of what we have and get back talking about the game itself. What's wrong with enjoying a bit of Rugby League instead of having a good old moan?

I'm quite pleased that I managed to write all that without mentioning carpet-bombing, asking Frank about his obsession with the bogs at Rugby League grounds, calling anyone a plank, or referring to Terry M as “mi old mate”. I hope you're all well. Sorry for the ramble, it's been quite a while.

Wonderful mi owd mucker, whoever you are. My grandson's four and all he talks about is Fev and there are lots, lots more just like him down Post Office Road way. Good to hear from you again btw.

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if the merge happened I certainly wouldnt support the new team im a cas fan btw n yes im just 1 fan I know but surely there will be a lot more cas, wakey n fev fans that feel the same so id be suprised if the new team managed 12-15k supporters.

Dint hull merge with gateshead but yet gateshead stil exist right at bottom of pile and dint huddersfield merge with shefield but shefield stil have a team so how many of gateshead n shefields fans follow the merged team?

If cas wakey n fev merged to make calder would those teams stil have a team in the lower leagues if so most if not all would stil follow there original teams.

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I think when John said "Ok, so the clubs won't merge of their own volition. But in the end, one will become dominant, the 'better dead than red ' brigade will be extinct and there will be just one SL club in the area. And that club could be a really competitive one, a winner, something the fans have deserved for a long long time" it was very well pu

But (and I seek clarity Mr. M.) I took that as suggesting one existing club eventually dominating would be the key and not a three way merger?

Perhaps we now agree??

It does not seem to me to be likely that under current conditions any of the three would initiate a merger, especially as Fev have SL ambitions. I can actually imagine them getting one, too. However, I cannot see them being sustainably successful enough to stay there for long. But during that there years, they could well damage Cas and Wakey as they attract those Fev fans who like SL.

I can also see a situation where say Cas became the dominant team...or Wakey.

All this competition may be good for diehard fans, but it is 'internal' and won't help any of the three compete with Leeds, Saints, Wigan, Wire, Bradford etc. Thus in my view the current situation is not in the best long-term interests of those clubs or the game.

If they we're to grasp the metal now, there is hope...after the turf wars. Don't think that will happen, so yes, I think I agree...after a huge waste of fans and directors money, some years down the line, Wakey will come out on top.

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