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Calder, it is time?

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Having read comments from the people that matter i.e. The people who live in the area and/or support the clubs concerned, it seems to me that there is no perceived need, or desire for a merger.

Could we perhaps leave it at that and respectfully ask those poking their noses in to mind their own business?

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Having read comments from the people that matter i.e. The people who live in the area and/or support the clubs concerned, it seems to me that there is no perceived need, or desire for a merger.

Could we perhaps leave it at that and respectfully ask those poking their noses in to mind their own business?

Ooo wait while the pro licencing pro merger stazi grab hold of this post me owd mucker!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Suggesting they keep their pecker out??? :lol: cheeky!!! :lol:

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Of course it hasn't killed Leeds the richest club by far in SL, or Wigan or Wire or Saints.  But it nearly killed Wakey, Salford and the Bulls.  BBC Breakfast this morning. What was the bulk of their soccer coverage about?  Relegation. NOT Arsenal qualifying for Europe, but Wigan, Sunderland, Stoke and QPR battling against relegation.  Without P&R the game becomes moribund. The fans of clubs at the bottom of the league have no reason to turn out for games at the end of the season. The players  feel no pressure  too.  It also allows clubs to target games they want to win - like Hull KR and Widnes over Easter.  They both beat their local rivals and then got hammered in the following game because they knew it didn't matter.  Another drawback, until every game is competitive we'll never build an international team to compete with - never mind beat - the Aussies in a series.

So why did we mange without P&R for 75% of our existence, if its so vital why did we not invent it sooner.

 

The reason they aren't talking about the top of the Premiership is because it is already decided, there is nothing to talk about.

 

Come September we'll be talking about who will and won't make the eight, just like last year and the year before.

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Ooo wait while the pro licencing pro merger stazi grab hold of this post me owd mucker!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Suggesting they keep their pecker out??? :lol: cheeky!!! :lol:

Actually as a progressive fan of the game I couldn't care less what the three clubs do, they can fight it out. The sad thing is two out of the three will suffer badly. They won't die, they will continue, but the sad fact is that the fight to be top dog will not be pleasant.

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So why did we mange without P&R for 75% of our existence, if its so vital why did we not invent it sooner.

 

The reason they aren't talking about the top of the Premiership is because it is already decided, there is nothing to talk about.

 

Come September we'll be talking about who will and won't make the eight, just like last year and the year before.

 

But we did have P&R within the same league. Clubs fixtures against teams from the "other league" improved or declined depending upon where they'd finished the previous season.  Ok you couldn't be relegated from the Rugby League, but your status within that league could alter.  One of the major reasons for the split with Union was that they definitely didn't like the competitive edge league and cup comps gave.  They preferred the more "gentlemanly" atmosphere of perpetual friendlies.

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But we did have P&R within the same league. Clubs fixtures against teams from the "other league" improved or declined depending upon where they'd finished the previous season.  Ok you couldn't be relegated from the Rugby League, but your status within that league could alter.  One of the major reasons for the split with Union was that they definitely didn't like the competitive edge league and cup comps gave.  They preferred the more "gentlemanly" atmosphere of perpetual friendlies.

How can you have P&R in the same league.

 

It was one league of 30(ish) clubs depending on year, and it had no P&R, nobody was ever promoted and nobody was ever relegated.

 

To try and pretend we have had P&R for ever is an utter nonsense and you know it.

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Jurassic Park is a work of fiction. Fev'sdrive for Super League is not. If they do achieve Mr.. pencil's dream, then they will need the very glory hunting fans he so despiseS if they are to stay there...and that will be I think at the expense of wakie and case. So no net gain.

I do not despise glory supporters, never said that. I don't understand them but certainly don't despise them, I have many mates who support Man Utd. I think they are pretty sad supporting a club from over the pennines but I don't despise them.

Try putting more words into my mouth if you want.

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Actually as a progressive fan of the game I couldn't care less what the three clubs do, they can fight it out. The sad thing is two out of the three will suffer badly. They won't die, they will continue, but the sad fact is that the fight to be top dog will not be pleasant.

What do you mean progressive fan. You support bloody Wigan and I support Fev what's the difference. I suppose I will get the usual I only care about Fev rubbish and you love all parts of the game. I bet if your club went through what mine has you would see things differently.

For example what are the likes of you doing to boost the much needed (according to the forum mafia) London club? Going to watch Wigan away once a year in London is not classed as help. Surely a so called progressive fan would give up watching some Wigan games to support London. You can't say London is too far away because I am sure you have made past Wembley finals to watch your beloved Wigan. Progressive fan my botty.

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Having read comments from the people that matter i.e. The people who live in the area and/or support the clubs concerned, it seems to me that there is no perceived need, or desire for a merger.

Could we perhaps leave it at that and respectfully ask those poking their noses in to mind their own business?

How astonishingly arrogant and naive but if burying your head in the sand is of comfort to you then I suppose crack on.

Just to clarify though, the people that "matter" here are those throughout the entire rugby league fraternity and even beyond. What's at stake here is not simply how we structure Super League in the Calder region but rather how we continue to grow demand and revenue for the entire top flight and thus the game overall. I'm afraid that as Cas and to a slightly lesser extent Wakey (and to a slightly lesser extent again, Hull KR and Widnes) continue to stink up Super League with their pitiful facilities and resources and lack of "go forward" vision, the league as a whole loses credibility and vital TV and commercial revenues. It's not something that we can take lightly or leave in the hands of a few blinkered blow-hard traditionalists like yourself.

Everyone matters and you might not ultimately have any say when it comes down to it. That's the long and short of it.

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As for the Fev fans smug rejoicing in the face of their home defeat (that's right, defeat) by Wigan, this is hardly any great achievement or ushering in of a new dawn. It's just a good performance on the back of a strong 2nd tier season, no different to Hull KR beating Wire a few years back off similar momentum. A couple of miserable Super League seasons under your belt and they'd crush you without breaking a sweat. Deep down you all know this but of course who am I to stand in the way of your dream to "rub shoulders with" (ie never genuinely threaten) the big boys again?

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How astonishingly arrogant and naive

No that's you all day long. Just because you have ideas for the game does not make then right.

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The crucial aspect the staunch Wakey, Cas and Fev fans forget is that - without knowing a great deal about them - I'm guessing they're of a certain age and were thus born during or not long after periods of success or genuine competitiveness, back when those teams had no inferiority complex to the likes of Leeds and the other (now) big boys and games between them were a coin toss. The kids growing up in those areas now will have the same degree of local pride (of course) but Parky's hit the nail on the head - they want Super League and - more crucially - a team without such an inferiority complex. There's really no getting away from that, however passionate you are about your historic club. Parky is right that left to their own devices these fanbases will slowly erode year in, year out with every calibre player departure and every passing around the terraces of the bucket to stave off the administrator. That just isn't an attractive proposition to kids. The posters on here are actually selfish IMHO because they never had to put up with that in their own youth yet expect future generations to do so in their name and merely to prolong an archaic, out-of-date structure so they themselves can die knowing that they were "Wakey/Cas/Fev to the end", whatever this means. If the Hull clubs merge - and I suspect they will at some point - I will embrace the new club and consider myself no less "Hull KR til the end" than the King Canutes noisily drowning in their own self-pity (who, incidentally, will be long forgotten only a few years down the line). If anyone here has an issue with that, fine. I'd rather enjoy a level playing field and see good rugby week in, week out than waste my energy on a lost cause.

I don't like Parky's idea of just allowing Cas and Fev to rot and Wakey to cash-in, for 2 reasons:

(1) It's cowardly and dishonest, and

(2) It's potentially divisive. A go-alone SL Wakey might have the pick of the Cas and Fev kids for their fanbase but when they tour schools etc. there would still be an element of the pillaging invader about them and the inevitable animosity from the elders - whilst often no more than petulance at not getting their way - would nonetheless have more credence. As a Cas or Fev kid you'd feel like something of a traitor or hanger-on following that side, whereas a club called Calder is no less yours than anyone else in that region and would be a source of great pride to those kids. The same is true of Hull and potentially Hudds/Halifax and Warrington/Widnes if it needs to be done there as well. Waiting for 1 of the sides to consume or overpower the other(s) is simply the wrong and weasly way to go.

Calder needs to be done so let's do it right. Wakey fans have no greater claim to a lone Calder SL franchise than Cas or Fev. That they are currently a bit stronger should be irrelevant. RL for once needs a brave and joined-up approach to a difficult issue.

 

 

We are not forgetting anything, what you and many others are failing to see is that there is no desire for a 'Calder' franchise or team, no one from any of the three clubs that everyone seems to want to dictate to wants to merge or collaborate.

 

Open your ears and listen to whats being said and get a new toy to play with,

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!

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No that's you all day long. Just because you have ideas for the game does not make then right.

I have never claimed that my opinions are the only ones that matter though, I merely give my opinion. The merger opponents are losing the plot and IMHO this debate.

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We are not forgetting anything, what you and many others are failing to see is that there is no desire for a 'Calder' franchise or team, no one from any of the three clubs that everyone seems to want to dictate to wants to merge or collaborate.

 

Open your ears and listen to whats being said and get a new toy to play with,

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!

There is desire for a merged Calder side from very many people in this thread or have you not been reading? That they are generally not from Calder is irrelevant don't you think? The sport of rugby league is bigger than the Calder region.

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There is desire for a merged Calder side from very many people in this thread or have you not been reading? That they are generally not from Calder is irrelevant don't you think? The sport of rugby league is bigger than the Calder region.

What utter garbage. So because you and a few others want a merged team then you automatically believe you should have it. I wanted 6 numbers on the lotto last night but #### happens. A merged club will only happen if the fans of the 3 clubs want it to and unless you are totally naive the feeling is that we have 3 great clubs who want to battle on as we are.

So sorry to pee on your master plan but we are not going to merge any time soon so you will just have to accept it.

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What utter garbage. So because you and a few others want a merged team then you automatically believe you should have it. I wanted 6 numbers on the lotto last night but #### happens. A merged club will only happen if the fans of the 3 clubs want it to and unless you are totally naive the feeling is that we have 3 great clubs who want to battle on as we are.

So sorry to pee on your master plan but we are not going to merge any time soon so you will just have to accept it.

the fans have no say at all. They can be noisy, they can sulk, they have no say.

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the fans have no say at all. They can be noisy, they can sulk, they have no say.

So explain how the merger is going to take place against BODS who don't want it and supporters who don't want it? Believe it or not even you and the rest of the forum mafia can't force this one through.

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And the fans do have a say. They vote with their feet. Generally, fans of Wakefield/Castleford/Featherstone are not in the least interested in a merged club. It's never going to happen and the "idea" needs burying once and for all. 

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the fans have no say at all. They can be noisy, they can sulk, they have no say.

try precedence

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And the fans do have a say. They vote with their feet. Generally, fans of Wakefield/Castleford/Featherstone are not in the least interested in a merged club. It's never going to happen and the "idea" needs burying once and for all.

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So explain how the merger is going to take place against BODS who don't want it and supporters who don't want it? Believe it or not even you and the rest of the forum mafia can't force this one through.

I never mentioned BODS, thewy are the ones who have the say, not the fans.

 

Fans may think they are all powerful, they are not.

 

And the fans do have a say. They vote with their feet. Generally, fans of Wakefield/Castleford/Featherstone are not in the least interested in a merged club. It's never going to happen and the "idea" needs burying once and for all. 

They can take their feet where they like, their feet don't get one vote between the two of them.

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There is desire for a merged Calder side from very many people in this thread or have you not been reading? That they are generally not from Calder is irrelevant don't you think? The sport of rugby league is bigger than the Calder region.

I'd hardly call three or four patronising morons, pontificating on the future of clubs that are nothing to do with them "very many".

PLEASE GET THIS INTO YOUR SKULL:

Cas don't want it

Fev don't want it

Wakey don't want it

You and a few others wanting does not make it a good idea.

Please move on and bore someone else.

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I never mentioned BODS, thewy are the ones who have the say, not the fans.

 

Fans may think they are all powerful, they are not.

But the BODS don't want it either because they are also fans so I am afraid your knocking.

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I'd hardly call three or four patronising morons, pontificating on the future of clubs that are nothing to do with them "very many".

PLEASE GET THIS INTO YOUR SKULL:

Cas don't want it

Fev don't want it

Wakey don't want it

You and a few others wanting does not make it a good idea.

Please move on and bore someone else.

If the subject bores you then don't get involved.

 

I couldn't care less what the 3 clubs do, however I do find the discussion interesting.

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If the subject bores you then don't get involved.

 

I couldn't care less what the 3 clubs do, however I do find the discussion interesting.

The subject bores me because the issue was put to bed around 18 years ago.

It is however a subject that naturally, I care very deeply about.

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