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Calder, it is time?

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The subject bores me because the issue was put to bed around 18 years ago.

It is however a subject that naturally, I care very deeply about.

It obviously wasn't put to bed 18 years ago, if it had been this thread wouldn't exist.

 

Do you believe that your area of Yorkshire can support 3 SL clubs. If you do can you explain to me how?

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It obviously wasn't put to bed 18 years ago, if it had been this thread wouldn't exist.

 

Do you believe that your area of Yorkshire can support 3 SL clubs. If you do can you explain to me how?

It was put to bed, just because the likes of you want to discuss it doesn't mean it is on anyone's agenda. There is a better chance of 3 clubs competing than London continuing on their pittance of a crowd or Huddersfield when Ken Davey is no longer involved.

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It was put to bed, just because the likes of you want to discuss it doesn't mean it is on anyone's agenda. There is a better chance of 3 clubs competing than London continuing on their pittance of a crowd or Huddersfield when Ken Davey is no longer involved.

But that's the point there isn't.

 

It isn't about how other clubs are failing, that is a pure red herring, it's about can that area support 3, 2 or 1 SL clubs. 

 

Can it or can't it, I don't give a flying what other teams are doing, that's a different discussion. Tell me how an area with the demographic of the 'Calder' area can support 3 SL clubs?

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There is more to this debate than Super League membership. On one level, I don't care which league Featherstone Rovers compete in. But as long as there is a Featherstone Rovers team based in Featherstone, I will support it. Calder, I have no interest in. I don't think I am alone in these views.    

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But that's the point there isn't.

 

It isn't about how other clubs are failing, that is a pure red herring, it's about can that area support 3, 2 or 1 SL clubs. 

 

Can it or can't it, I don't give a flying what other teams are doing, that's a different discussion. Tell me how an area with the demographic of the 'Calder' area can support 3 SL clubs?

But it is the point, why are you obsessed with my area when there is so much more issues in the game? If you want an answer then I would say I don't know but why is it such a crime to try it? If it fails then maybe fans might come round to your way of thinking (but not me).

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It was put to bed, just because the likes of you want to discuss it doesn't mean it is on anyone's agenda. There is a better chance of 3 clubs competing than London continuing on their pittance of a crowd or Huddersfield when Ken Davey is no longer involved.

it doesn't mean it isn't on anyone's agenda either hence an eleven page thread.

People can dscuss any topic they like wirthin the rules.

 

It's perfectly valid, many would say a good thing that people are interested in all aspect of the game, its future its past, its rights and wrongs. It's everybody's business.

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But that's the point there isn't.

 

It isn't about how other clubs are failing, that is a pure red herring, it's about can that area support 3, 2 or 1 SL clubs. 

 

Can it or can't it, I don't give a flying what other teams are doing, that's a different discussion. Tell me how an area with the demographic of the 'Calder' area can support 3 SL clubs?

 

BUt if P&R comes back perhaps one of the three Wakefield Met clubs (or more) would be relegated.  And thus have the chance to regroup and challenge again for access to the top flight.  As it stands at the moment for Cas - it's either ###### or bust, there's no way out for them. With P&R there would be. Just to clarify I also regard myself as a progressive Rugby League fan - and I regard the abandoning of P&R as a retrograde step.

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BUt if P&R comes back perhaps one of the three Wakefield Met clubs (or more) would be relegated.  And thus have the chance to regroup and challenge again for access to the top flight.  As it stands at the moment for Cas - it's either ###### or bust, there's no way out for them. With P&R there would be. Just to clarify I also regard myself as a progressive Rugby League fan - and I regard the abandoning of P&R as a retrograde step.

how many times, P&R is a none starter.

 

It didn't work when everyone was part time, it was even worse with full time and part time. It never worked and it will never work as long as the game runs on a shoestring.

 

No money, no P&R.

 

You really do struggle with the concept of the world after 1973 don't you.

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how many times, P&R is a none starter.

 

It didn't work when everyone was part time, it was even worse with full time and part time. It never worked and it will never work as long as the game runs on a shoestring.

 

No money, no P&R.

 

You really do struggle with the concept of the world after 1973 don't you.

And you really do struggle with the concept of sport and supporter allegiances.

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There is desire for a merged Calder side from very many people in this thread or have you not been reading? That they are generally not from Calder is irrelevant don't you think? The sport of rugby league is bigger than the Calder region.

Can you not read!

I said no one from any of the three clubs involved.

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I suppose going back to my point is, well, potential.

I tend to look at things from a business perspective, I have no ties to any club in the uk. As someone pointed out, London had a huge catchment area but are not as well supported as say cas, but given the resources, as for instance clubs were given incentives to merge, how big could they be?

We must remember that the Catalans are essentially a merged, merged team. They did so as it enabled them to put in the strongest bid fr superleague entry.

Wests tigers have balms in as the dominant partner, and st George Illawarra has st George. People still watch wears play in the nsw cup, and the average age of the tigers fans got younger.

The question posed is what's best for te game, and there are differing views.

If it was cas v Wakefield in a competition outside superleague, I imagine it would still draw a crowd, if feisal nahaboo was offered superleague tomorrow provided he financially backed it, would he? I tend to think so

I just wonder, no I actually think that for the game to really prosper Into the competition it aimed to be, we need to look at where we want to be and act, in saying that, I think we can preserve the history and move to the future, it must be better than 3 clubs strangling each other in a pitfight, or am I hopelessly optimistic on this one?

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None of this changes the facts of life. There is just not the money, the players, the support, the facilities, the sponsors etc to support more than one SL club in the Wakefordstone area.

The current situation, where one SL wanabee club is flexing it's muscles in a bid to join the big boys, is good for that club and it's loyal fans and will no doubt spur the other two on.

However, such family squabbling will do no club any good in the long term and will sentence all three to continue as SLs perpetual under achievers.

Ok, so the clubs won't merge of their own volition. But in the end, one will become dominant, the 'bettsr dead than red ' brigade will be extinct and there will be just one SL club in the area. And that club could be a really competitive one, a winner, something the fans have deserved for a long long time.

Meanwhile, a lot of people will have lost a lot of money in a pointless family squabble. The enemy is at the gates, but the embattled occupants still fight amongst themselves.

In the end, it's not the RFL, it's not SL, it's not the BODs, it's not even the fans that will decide the outcome. It is inevitable

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Who says that the new club - now able to offer Chase, Clark, Shenton and Aiton a bright future and much less reason to jump ship - attracts only 5K?

Even accounting for the obvious difficult birth, the combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses.

It's not rocket science Parky. 3 times the latent fanbase, 3 times the commercial opportunity, 1/3 of ground maintenance costs and player wage bills etc. etc.

Please get real Keeny.

This "Calder" club cannot happen until 2015 by which time Chase and Clark will be gone.

By 2015 2,500 Fev fans will be lining up for Superleague at last. Do you really think they will back Calder under those circumstances. Again get real. Let's debate rugby League not fantasy Rugby league.

Mr. Glover is the leading light at Wakefield and he must be looking forward to putting well over the current 8,000 into Newmarket and kicking on from there.

Do you want to write to him and ask him if he's going to abandon that and set up a Calder club there?? Shall I write and ask??

What do you think 8,000 Wakefield Trinity fans would say if told 2015 will be Calder United??

With the shaky prospect of whether this will work or not which big name players will the club sign with whose money??

Or will players decide there's a more secure salary and future going to Hull and Leeds as ussual. How is a club that many locals will have a massive animosity to be attractive to the next Darryl Clark??

When you intimate that people are sympathetic to the idea on this thread, how many exactly and out of those who will go??

you say "The combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses".

On what evidence? Surely the main sponsors of all three clubs are fans of those clubs. Have you checked if they are for a Calder United because I bet they are not.

You are a very naughty boy pitching for a Calder United yet telling us all is OK in Hull, Rovers just need to work out how to get 15,000 crowds.

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Not a chance. Someone has to speak up for the good of the game as a whole in wakefordstone and judging by some of the contributions on here it may not be some of the natives

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Steady thi sen..... there are aspect of your musings this morning I'm finding myself agreeing with..... I think!!!! :lol:

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Nooooooooo! That's no fun!!

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Please get real Keeny.This "Calder" club cannot happen until 2015 by which time Chase and Clark will be gone.By 2015 2,500 Fev fans will be lining up for Superleague at last. Do you really think they will back Calder under those circumstances. Again get real. Let's debate rugby League not fantasy Rugby league.Mr. Glover is the leading light at Wakefield and he must be looking forward to putting well over the current 8,000 into Newmarket and kicking on from there.Do you want to write to him and ask him if he's going to abandon that and set up a Calder club there?? Shall I write and ask??What do you think 8,000 Wakefield Trinity fans would say if told 2015 will be Calder United??With the shaky prospect of whether this will work or not which big name players will the club sign with whose money??Or will players decide there's a more secure salary and future going to Hull and Leeds as ussual. How is a club that many locals will have a massive animosity to be attractive to the next Darryl Clark??When you intimate that people are sympathetic to the idea on this thread, how many exactly and out of those who will go??you say "The combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses".On what evidence? Surely the main sponsors of all three clubs are fans of those clubs. Have you checked if they are for a Calder United because I bet they are not.You are a very naughty boy pitching for a Calder United yet telling us all is OK in Hull, Rovers just need to work out how to get 15,000 crowds.

Alle 'bloody' luia. Well said Parky. How the hell is it all going to be financed when nobody but the dreamers on here think its a good idea? Huddersfield, Bradford and Fax are playing to a similar aggregate audience so we might as well throw them into the mix as well. I'm sure we'll find replacements for Ken Davy and the chap at the Bulls whose name escapes me.

If the predicted changes to the game's structure do come to pass then all three Calder clubs may well be playing and flourishing in SL sooner than some people think. Can't wait. And before the usual suspect rears his head this morning... yes I do prefer Championship style RL to SL and probably always will as irrelevant as that may be.

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Please get real Keeny.

This "Calder" club cannot happen until 2015 by which time Chase and Clark will be gone.

By 2015 2,500 Fev fans will be lining up for Superleague at last. Do you really think they will back Calder under those circumstances. Again get real. Let's debate rugby League not fantasy Rugby league.

Mr. Glover is the leading light at Wakefield and he must be looking forward to putting well over the current 8,000 into Newmarket and kicking on from there.

Do you want to write to him and ask him if he's going to abandon that and set up a Calder club there?? Shall I write and ask??

What do you think 8,000 Wakefield Trinity fans would say if told 2015 will be Calder United??

With the shaky prospect of whether this will work or not which big name players will the club sign with whose money??

Or will players decide there's a more secure salary and future going to Hull and Leeds as ussual. How is a club that many locals will have a massive animosity to be attractive to the next Darryl Clark??

When you intimate that people are sympathetic to the idea on this thread, how many exactly and out of those who will go??

you say "The combined commercial opportunities would help plug any initial losses".

On what evidence? Surely the main sponsors of all three clubs are fans of those clubs. Have you checked if they are for a Calder United because I bet they are not.

You are a very naughty boy pitching for a Calder United yet telling us all is OK in Hull, Rovers just need to work out how to get 15,000 crowds.

I have to say, on the point of sponsors, don't you think we should be looking for main sponsors of our clubs to be from market leaders in a business sector? Isn't that what we are aiming at through putting the game on TV?

If we only want to aim for local benefactors to back our sport, then why televise the game at all? This is a particular irk of mine. Often people criticise the league for not attracting big sponsors, but the clubs themselves devalue the competition by failing to realise the true value which skysport provides.

Returning to the original question, it's where do we want to be at the top level if our sport, do we want the multinational superleague which created such hype when it was proposed back in the 90s, or are we happy to stay as we are and hope the growth of so many other sports, especially after such a successful Olympics, does not affect us?

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I love all these analogies with "family", 'Highland clans' etc...

It really shows zero understanding of the area and it's people.

I've lived here all my life, over 50 years, and if we were forced into some kind of merger we wouldn't be another West Tigers or St George Illawarra, we wouldn't even be the next Gateshull or Shuddersfield. We'd become the next Yugoslavia with separated cultures, a splintered fan base, uniquely different people who just do not blend or mix and it would end in disaster?

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I have to say, on the point of sponsors, don't you think we should be looking for main sponsors of our clubs to be from market leaders in a business sector? Isn't that what we are aiming at through putting the game on TV?

If we only want to aim for local benefactors to back our sport, then why televise the game at all? This is a particular irk of mine. Often people criticise the league for not attracting big sponsors, but the clubs themselves devalue the competition by failing to realise the true value which skysport provides.

Returning to the original question, it's where do we want to be at the top level if our sport, do we want the multinational superleague which created such hype when it was proposed back in the 90s, or are we happy to stay as we are and hope the growth of so many other sports, especially after such a successful Olympics, does not affect us?

in the case of fev, i don't think mr Nahaboo is "local".

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There are 12 pages on here but I would still ask why? What is the benefit.

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1. Alle 'bloody' luia. Well said Parky. How the hell is it all going to be financed when nobody but the dreamers on here think its a good idea? Huddersfield, Bradford and Fax are playing to a similar aggregate audience so we might as well throw them into the mix as well. I'm sure we'll find replacements for Ken Davy and the chap at the Bulls whose name escapes me.

2. If the predicted changes to the game's structure do come to pass then all three Calder clubs may well be playing and flourishing in SL sooner than some people think.

1. Yes IMHO the Bradford/Halifax/Huddersfield area also suffers from having 15,000 paying fans, good local sponsors and up to 20 quality local born professionals.

Enough resources for one club, plus there's a super stadium and a ricj backer and a couple of cracking business minds to boot.

This would be enough to blow the Wigans and Leeds out of the water, and turn a fine profit to strengthen the game but sadly the resources are over stretched to preserve three failing/failed clubs.

This is IMHO only of course, it may be more clubs is best, I'd like to hear the argument why.

2. I dunno what the 2015 format will be Terry, Or how many Wakefield Met clubs will be in it.

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