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Brigg Rover

Meli grading

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A to F is the range, where do you think the RFL spinning wheel will stop on this one?

I'm going to be brave and say they will be tough for once and grade it as an E.

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Stiff arm tacke, wasn't it?

 

  D-F Intentional - stiff arm tackle - no attempt to tackle legitimately - violent

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Other options:

 

                A-D 	Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder - reckless
		D-E 	Strikes with hand, arm or shoulder - intentional
		B-C 	Strikes with elbow/forearm - dropping on player
		B-C 	Strikers with elbow/forearm - ball carrier - reckless
		C-F 	Strikes with elbow/forearm - ball arrier - intentional
		C-E 	Strikes with elbow/forearm - tackling - recklesss
		D-F 	Strikes with elbow/forearm - tackling - intentional
		C-E 	Strikes with elbow off ball reckless
		E-F 	Strikes with elbow off ball intentional

                D-F Intentional - stiff arm tackle - no attempt to tackle legitimately - violent

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What about the attempted bite by Craig Hall on Meli's arm?! :ph34r: :ph34r:

 

Kidding, kidding.

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Hmmm

It was bad but I don't think it was intentional

C or D

That said Hall almost deserved it for not passing

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Hmmm

It was bad but I don't think it was intentional

C or D

That said Hall almost deserved it for not passing

The thing is though, it was highly dangerous. When a player is sprinting towards you, you have a responsibility not to take his head off his shoulders.

 

I don't like the grading of intentional as nobody will ever know and couldn't prove it on a high tackle, but there was no effort to hit Hall anywhere other than on his chin, and I think he was lucky that Hall wasn't seriously injured.

 

It really is as bad as any high tackle I have ever seen.

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It really is as bad as any high tackle I have ever seen.

Agreed, and the way Hall fell like the sack of proverbial and kinked himself was awful to watch.

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His ban should start when his fit to play agen whats the point in a ban if his is gona be out for about 6 weeks

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The thing is though, it was highly dangerous. When a player is sprinting towards you, you have a responsibility not to take his head off his shoulders.

 

I don't like the grading of intentional as nobody will ever know and couldn't prove it on a high tackle, but there was no effort to hit Hall anywhere other than on his chin, and I think he was lucky that Hall wasn't seriously injured.

 

It really is as bad as any high tackle I have ever seen.

Personally, I think Rangi Chase on the Featherstone player last season was worse.  Did that player ever play again once he'd recovered from his broken jaw?

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His ban should start when his fit to play agen whats the point in a ban if his is gona be out for about 6 weeks

to be fair, that's not the way it works though. 

 

Maybe it should, although I can see a few problems with it. They would need to change the rules for future, not now.

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His ban should start when his fit to play agen whats the point in a ban if his is gona be out for about 6 weeks

Can't do that.  Not mid season anyway.  Other players have served bans while injured already this season.

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Personally, I think Rangi Chase on the Featherstone player last season was worse.  Did that player ever play again once he'd recovered from his broken jaw?

I think the Chase one was a bad one as the player ended up injured, but unfortunately these shoulder charges do happen and often they hit a player in the face. Without opening a can of worms on here, I thought Chase's tackle wasn't technically as bad as Meli's. A swinging arm to the face has never been legal, Chase led with the shoulder and hit the face, which we saw probably half a dozen times last year, hence the ban.

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Did that player ever play again once he'd recovered from his broken jaw?

 Yes, it was Tangi Roparti, and he was back in the side towards the end of the season. :)

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I think the Chase one was a bad one as the player ended up injured, but unfortunately these shoulder charges do happen and often they hit a player in the face. Without opening a can of worms on here, I thought Chase's tackle wasn't technically as bad as Meli's. A swinging arm to the face has never been legal, Chase led with the shoulder and hit the face, which we saw probably half a dozen times last year, hence the ban.

A shoulder in the face was illegal last year and it was technically as bad, and actually did damage.  Chase got a three match ban for it which should have been double that. 

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 Yes, it was Tangi Roparti, and he was back in the side towards the end of the season. :)

Glad to hear that. 

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A shoulder in the face was illegal last year and it was technically as bad, and actually did damage.  Chase got a three match ban for it which should have been double that. 

My point about not being technically as bad is that a shoulder charge to the upper body can often be a great hit - unfortunately they also have a risk of going wrong - as we have seen on a number of occasions.

 

The Meli tackle never had any kind of chance of success, or being legal. It was a shocking swinging arm.

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It was bad but I don't think it was intentional

Just to be clear, in terms of disciplinary charges intentional means any act where an outcome in question is a certain consequence of it and the player should have known to expect it, even if he did not deliberately mean to bring about that outcome.

Personally I do not see how anyone can say there was only a risk of making dangerous contact by sticking a stiff arm in front of someone's head rather than it being the only possible outcome, which is the difference between a reckless and an intentional charge.

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Just released:


Meli - Grade E (High Tackle)

Wilkin - Grade C (Shoulder charge) EPG Available

Gardner - Grade B (Shoulder charge) EPG Available

 

also

 

Henderson - Grade B (Striking) EPG Available

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I aint going to argue with any of those charges.  They all deserved what they have got.  I just hope they are all pleased with themselves for putting more pressure upon an already significantly under pressure team. :angry:

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I agree the charges look correct

The interesting bit will be the length of Meli's ban

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I agree the charges look correct

The interesting bit will be the length of Meli's ban

Well, it can't be more than 8 weeks!  He's not allowed an early guilty plea either under that charge so it will definitely be four.

 

But he'd probably be out injured for at least that anyway, with a disclocated elbow.  Shenton's wasn't right after a full off-season (he did his in our 2011 grand final).  Longy's finished his career.

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Just to be clear, in terms of disciplinary charges intentional means any act where an outcome in question is a certain consequence of it and the player should have known to expect it, even if he did not deliberately mean to bring about that outcome.

Personally I do not see how anyone can say there was only a risk of making dangerous contact by sticking a stiff arm in front of someone's head rather than it being the only possible outcome, which is the difference between a reckless and an intentional charge.

There's nothing clear about any of that, sorry. I've read it a few times and still have no idea.

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