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A holocaust denier and former member of the BNP ...  today is a very good day for Ukip to announce that they haven't had chance to check all of their candidates in this election.

 

 

NB1: Presumably the Lib Dems checked you out thoroughly before you stood. Perhaps if you'd been a former member of the BNP you might have got enough public votes to get elected.

 

;) ;) B)

 

NB2: Denis Healey was a former member of the Communist Party

 

NB3: Oswald Mosley was a former  Labour MP and Cabinet Minister

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NB1: Presumably the Lib Dems checked you out thoroughly before you stood. Perhaps if you'd been a former member of the BNP you might have got enough public votes to get elected.

 

;) ;) B)

 

NB2: Denis Healey was a former member of the Communist Party

 

NB3: Oswald Mosley was a former  Labour MP and Cabinet Minister

 

Ukip's own statutes prohibit former members of the BNP from standing for them.

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A holocaust denier and former member of the BNP ...  today is a very good day for Ukip to announce that they haven't had chance to check all of their candidates in this election.

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B2: Denis Healey was a former member of the Communist Party

 

Hardly comparable to the BNP.

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I was in ASTMS but I am cured now.

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Posted · Hidden by John Drake, April 26, 2013 - No reason given

Farage was both of them at school.

 

Edit, technically not the BNP, it was the NF in those days.

 

Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

 

It's potentially libellous if not true.

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A holocaust denier and former member of the BNP ...  today is a very good day for Ukip to announce that they haven't had chance to check all of their candidates in this election.

How would you check?

 

Have ever been a member of the BNP? No

Great - that's good enough for us!

 

Strictly speaking she's not a holocaust denier. She thinks the Zionists caused the holocaust. Reading some of her tweets, she seems to believe in absolutely any conspiracy from Zionists to Adam Weishaupt.

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Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

 

It's potentially libellous if not true.

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How would you check?

 

Have ever been a member of the BNP? No

Great - that's good enough for us!.

That's a fair point in that I don't know how you would check but then I'm not a political party putting up 1,700 candidates having asked each of them to assure me they weren't former members of the BNP.

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Interesting that the Ukip policy, such as it is, is yet again a vote *against* things rather than anything positive as alternative.

It should be worrying for UKIP supporters that the people chosen to run for council don't have a basic grasp of the tax system we have in this country seeing as its one if their main issues.

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He may be an idiot but his argument here is sound. Whether the funds are ring-fenced or not, car users have to pay to access the roads and cyclists don't.

You can get cars with £0 VED.

Presumably they should be treated the same as bikes?

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You can get cars with £0 VED.

Presumably they should be treated the same as bikes?

You mean they should have special paths created for them?

 

It seems a bit unnecessary.

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You mean they should have special paths created for them?

 

It seems a bit unnecessary.

They should be subject to the full force of Ukip's well thought-out policies.

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They should be subject to the full force of Ukip's well thought-out policies.

But it was the fact that cyclists gets cycle lanes for their use only that he was objecting to especially since they don't pay road tax.

 

I don't agree with him but there is no howler here.

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He may be an idiot but his argument here is sound. Whether the funds are ring-fenced or not, car users have to pay to access the roads and cyclists don't.

 

So no cyclists drive cars? And no cyclists pay any other form of taxation? 

 

Does it also not occur to these people that the more people using bikes means more space on the road for cars?

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But it was the fact that cyclists gets cycle lanes for their use only that he was objecting to especially since they don't pay road tax.

 

I don't agree with him but there is no howler here.

 

There is no such thing as road tax. It was abolished in 1937. Roads are paid for out of general taxation, council tax and in some cases , tolls. Anyone who pays tax is paying for the roads, even if they never leave the house. VED is a tax on vehicle ownership  and is currently an emissions-based graduated system.  So no emissions, no duty.

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There is no such thing as road tax. It was abolished in 1937. Roads are paid for out of general taxation, council tax and in some cases , tolls. Anyone who pays tax is paying for the roads, even if they never leave the house. VED is a tax on vehicle ownership  and is currently an emissions-based graduated system.  So no emissions, no duty.

Sure you don't pay for the roads, you just pay tax to own a car which then goes to the treasury and among other things is used to pay for roads.

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So no cyclists drive cars? And no cyclists pay any other form of taxation? 

 

Does it also not occur to these people that the more people using bikes means more space on the road for cars?

I said I didn't agree his conclusions but he is correct that motorists do subsidise roads when are then used by people who have not paid as much as the motorists have. This is the kind of thing that right wingers disagree with. Even more of a red rag is that cyclists get dedicated cycle paths built for them.

 

Not against that personally and I think he is wrong to bring it up but the logic of what he is saying is consistent and there is no howler.

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I said I didn't agree his conclusions but he is correct that motorists do subsidise roads when are then used by people who have not paid as much as the motorists have. This is the kind of thing that right wingers disagree with. Even more of a red rag is that cyclists get dedicated cycle paths built for them.

 

Not against that personally and I think he is wrong to bring it up but the logic of what he is saying is consistent and there is no howler.

He is not correct that "motorists" subsidise roads.

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He is not correct that "motorists" subsidise roads.

Then why do car owners pay tax? Why is there a tax on petrol?

 

And don't give me "it's because of emissions" because if the emissions were zero, they would tax anyway.

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